Appreciation thread for Keith, Ed and Congressman Alan Grayson...

[mzmolly]

who IMHO, were unfairly characterized as part of the problem, in an effort to appear balanced at today's 'sanity' rally.

:toast: to all three!

I enjoyed the rally thoroughly, regardless.

[Tippy]

1. K&R.....I enjoyed it too...will probably watch it again tonight on c-span

[mzmolly]

2. I see the un-rec crowd is here.

Hello. :hi:

[CatWoman]

3. where are you guys watching this??

i can't find it on the tee vee :(

[mzmolly]

13. It was on comedy central CatWoman.

Sorry you missed it. :( I wonder if it will air again this weekend?

:hi:

[CatWoman]

14. damn!!!!!

:cry:

[mzmolly]

15. I bet it will air again.

I'll check later and letcha' know. :pals:

[mzmolly]

16. PS - Tippy said it's on CSPAN later tonight,

up thread. :D

[pinboy3niner]

20. It looks like Comedy Central will only be putting up clips

Nothing there when I checked, except a notice to check back later for clips.

[mzmolly]

22. Thanks for the info

pinboy3niner. :hi:

[CatWoman]

35. ty Mz

:hi:

[mzmolly]

38. YW CW.

;) :hi:

[mzmolly]

18. PSS - you can watch here thanks to Turborama!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9423008&mesg_id=9423008

:D

[davidwparker]

85. Here's the CSPAN link

http://cspan.org/Watch/Media/2010/10/30/HP/A/40153/StewartColbert+Rally+to+Restore+Sanity+andor+Fear.aspx">Click here.

[whathehell]

4. Love Keith, Ed AND Grayson!

[DemocracyInaction]

5. They are not alone

in fact, that is what warmed me when I watched the rally------there are still intelligent beings in this country.............Rachel, Ed, Keith, keep it coming. Now if we could only get Tweety to stay on his meds more often..........

[Tarheel_Dem]

6. I unrec'd it, because I agree with Stewart. Most of the ones he named...

have become a bunch of screeching howler monkeys, much like the guys they claimed to despise. They've spent much of the last two years ripping the administration, and Democrats in general, and they wonder why some "progressives" talk about staying home? Gee, go figure. :eyes:

[Barack_America]

7. I agree with you and Stewart.

[Pisces]

8. +1 for me.

[mzmolly]

11. It doesn't sound like you're watching?

Keith and Ed are filling air with an intense GOTV effort of late. :shrug:

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. Well bully for them. As I said, after two years of kicking the prez in the groin,

it almost seems a bit disingenuous at this point, don't you think? :shrug:

[mzmolly]

21. I understand your point

and I respect it. However, I think that there is a time for legitimate critique and a time to accept disappointment/reality and move ahead. After all, Stewart criticizes the President, aka the "dude" as well. ;) Regardless, I don't equivocate calling for the death of Doctors and comparing the President to a Nazi, to pointing out that doing so is both insane, and irresponsible. There are some whose rhetoric is harmful, if not deadly, and others who are are simply pointing that out.

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. Hey. I just said I agree with Stewart's characterization of the talking heads.

I haven't watched Stewart, until this past Wednesday, for nearly two years. I tuned them all out. I don't need pundits and opinion makers to tell me which Democrat I should be mad at this week.

[Flubadubya]

28. And likewise, I don't believe you have actually watched Keith for the past 2 years either...

or you would know better than that he has "kicked the prez in the groin". I haven't missed a show in the past 2 years and I can tell you for a fact that where criticism of Obama was due, Olbermann certainly supplied it, but where he was to be praised, Keith also chimed in. He has not gratuitously "trashed" Obama.

You really don't know what he has said about "the prez" for the past 2 years because you have not watched! Admit it!

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. Newsflash: This isn't the only messageboard on the net. KO's stuff..

gets posted here and elsewhere. I pretty much got where KO was going, shortly after the election. I no longer watch the show, but trust me, I get the skinny from excerpts and postings.

[Pisces]

36. He has been over the top with bashing the repubs in the same fashion as

a Hannity. I watch almost every day and he is sometimes a caricature of himself. I am embarrassed for him. That is why I am so glad Rachel came on the scene. She is reasonable, and that is why she
gets the big interviews and Olberman doesn't.

Ed is unwatchable. He is way to extreme. I have burned out on the pundits. Give me the news, not theatrics or self important tv personalities that think their opinions shape the public opinion.

[mzmolly]

39. I adore Ed Schultz.

I'm SO glad he's on MSNBC. I love his passion. I love how he takes it to the "righties". Same with Keith, Rachel and even Chris Matthews. I'm happy for every single one.

[cilla4progress]

61. Me too (love Ed)

listen to him almost daily since being laid off! He is VERY supportive of Obama, and occasionally meets with him. He is critical of his politics, as is Stewart, where applicable, but is largely behind him. I'm glad I discovered him (Ed).

[JDPriestly]

92. I like Ed and Olbermann. They bring balance. Without them

Fox would go unanswered. Jon Stewart has a much bigger following, but as long as we have Fox News, Olbermann and Ed Schultz are needed.

[mzmolly]

106. "Without them, Fox would go unanswered."

Indeed. And it wasn't long ago, that this was the case.

[jgraz]

33. Looks like somebody's found their Tuesday scapegoat.

You must be so proud. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[pacalo]

88. The fact that Fixed News is a lies generator puts it in a class of one.

Keith, Ed, & Alan Grayson do not lie.

[JDPriestly]

91. There s a problem with Jon Stewart's "calm down" approach.

People are dying in Afghanistan and Pakistan. People die here because they cannot afford health care. We still have extremely high unemployment. Yes. We should sit together and talk calmly about these issues. But the fact is that, as we talk, people are dying.

What do you propose doing about the urgency of life or death matters?

And what about torture and other human rights violations. Once a person's sense of self and sanity have been destroyed by torture, by lengthy imprisonments, by forced marches, it is too late.

In some cases, we really have to deal with sociopaths. It's nice to say that people with those personalities can be reasoned with, but it is not true.

Have you ever met a sociopath or even a very narcissistic person (clinically diagnosed)? How do you propose handling them. There are many of these types in powerful positions including in the government. What is your solution?

[Flatulo]

101. I agree - Olberman in particular has become a demagogue, often no better

than Beck or Limpballs.

I have no room in my heart for so much hatred. Life is too short.

Tone it down, guys. We're all Americans.

[SargeUNN]

9. Unfortunate that Sanity Rally would do that

as unfair as the Dean Scream was.

[TheKentuckian]

10. I got the back of the non-mealy mouthed, non-surrender monkey coalition.

No to "civility" over survival or even broad prosperity.

[mzmolly]

12. Hear hear!

:toast: It seems some complain when we fight back, AND when we don't.

[glitch]

42. Hell "No to civility over survival". nt

[glitch]

43. Hell "No to civility over survival". nt

[xchrom]

17. Thanks to them all. Recommend. Nt

[mzmolly]

24. Thank

you. :)

[sally cat]

25. Stewart was downright insolent and disrespectful to President Obama the other night, so I can't be

all "he's a God!" about him today.

[mzmolly]

31. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[jgraz]

32. Yeah, can you believe that he *asked questions* during an interview?

Who the fuck does he think he is?

:eyes:

[mzmolly]

37. I think Stewart himself, cringed moments after he referred to the President

as dude.

[jgraz]

48. Not as much as Obama cringed after his "heckuva job" comment.

[mzmolly]

51. Saying heckuva job, wasn't disrespectful.

Addressing the President as "Dude" was. That said, Stewart somewhat apologized today at the rally.

[jgraz]

53. Generally, I don't find calling my employees "dude" to be disrespectful

People keep reminding me that Obama isn't a king. Why do you insist that he be addressed as one?

[mzmolly]

54. Ah, so the office of President is now akin to janitoral duties.

Gotcha.

There is a difference between a basic respect for the office of the Presidency, and and understanding that a King makes law, without the limitations established in the U.S. Constitution.

[jgraz]

58. I'm more concerned with the current president respecting us

For example, telling us he favors a public option when he's already dealt it away is a lot more troubling than some comedian calling him "dude".

[mzmolly]

60. He does favor a public option. Favoring one, and getting one through this obstructionist congress

differs, as you know. Not to mention the fact that your point has nothing to do with respecting the office of the Presidency, dude. That said, I'm not personally, overly troubled by Stewart calling the President dude. I simply pointed out why some might feel he was disrespectful.

[glowing]

69. I think it shows how personable our President actually is.. Jon Stewart was at ease in his stick

that he called the President "Dude"... I don't think Obama was offended. I think both of them are at ease with one another. I think the President gave honest answers and wasn't cut off all over the place. And "Heckuva job" has become one of those phrases that we all say now as regular speech because of the huge gaffe.. I'm amazed at how many people repeat a Palin pun in their speech pattern because she's sooo over the top. (think about all the momma grizzly, betcha, lip sticks and pigs, and Putin's rearing head or seeing something from one's front porch have become common place?) also, too and in that... lol

[mzmolly]

81. I agree. The President is a very approachable

man. I like that about him. ;) But Stewart did screw up. He admitted that he did so, and that's all anyone can do.

[fishwax]

34. lol -- yeah, the hostility and lack of respect was obvious

:crazy:

[jgraz]

49. He should have performed the entire interview ON HIS KNEES!

:crazy: x 2

[mzmolly]

57. Or ...

just not referred to the President as dude, which he, himself acknowledged was not appropriate.

[jgraz]

59. Because that was the most important part of the interview

:eyes:

[mzmolly]

62. I don't believe I said it was. I thought it was a great interview.

I'm a huge fan of both Stewart and ... the "dude".

[jgraz]

64. The start of this subthread called Stewart "insolent and disrespectful"

I honestly don't think I've heard the word "insolent" outside of medieval dramas about nobles and serfs. Calling the president "dude" is such a non-issue compared to the substance of that interview.

[mzmolly]

65. Regardless,

I think the opinion expressed by our new DU-er, is understandable. You're free to disagree.

[Bette Noir]

100. "Insolent"? As Gibbs pointed out, "Dude" is one of the nicer things Mr. President has been called.

[Ramulux]

26. Agreed

I dont really blame Stewart though, he is just doing that to seem like a moderate who has problems with both sides. Seriously, if Stewart thinks Alan Grayson is in any way comparable to any of those right-wing psychos, I think I may have been imagining every daily show episode for the past 5 years. Grayson is everything that the Daily Show has claimed to want to see in a democrat times ten.

[mzmolly]

30. Very

well said.

"Grayson is everything that the Daily Show has claimed to want to see in a democrat times ten."

[Blue_In_AK]

27. I agree.

The rally was theater, and funny, but doesn't really mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

[glitch]

40. K & R Damn shame for the sour note. nt

[mzmolly]

41. Indeed, it is

a shame.

[Poboy]

44. Who else but KO brought us real news in those darkest days? Who brought Rachel to MSNBC?

Kick for KO, Ed, and Mr. Grayson, who is a FIGHTER.

[mzmolly]

45. Good points.

Regarding the topic of fear that the rally addressed... I feel that at times, fear is quite appropriate. Say, when a President is pushing a war for no good !#$ reason. There were far to few voices of healthy "fear" in the MSM, back in the "Operation Iraqi Freedom" days. All we heard was, rah rah rah.

[Divine Discontent]

74. Keith gets MAD props! Really, it was very wrong for them to showcase these great people as part of

the problem.

They've been our sanity in many ways, and don't take crap from the teabaggers. What, does Jon want all the mockery of the fools for himself? I just find it odd to attack some of our most vocal fighters in this manner.



Might as well throw a damned pic of himself up there if he's gonna say those three need to be there!

[Bette Noir]

102. As Keith mentioned on Twitter,

for someone who had a gospel choir onstage singing "Go f yourself" to call Keith "over the top" took some... lack of self-awareness? I paraphrased, of course.

[mzmolly]

107. Just saw his twitter responses. Love this one!

"I wish it were otherwise. But you can tone down all you want and the result will be: the Right will only get LOUDER. Sorry."

And this:

"The America before today's cable wasn't reasonable discussion.It was the 1-sided lockstep of Fox and people afraid of Fox. That got us Iraq."

Hear hear! :toast:

http://twitter.com/keitholbermann

[Kurovski]

46. Kick. (nt)

[mzmolly]

47. Thanks K.

:hi:

[moondust]

50. Where would we be without somebody fighting back?

K/R

[mzmolly]

52. We'd be on our way to war with Iran with a President

McCain and his VP Palin. :puke:

:hi:

[oldhippydude]

103. on our way?

no we would be in the middle already..

[mzmolly]

105. True.

:hi:

[ellisonz]

55. Stewart was wrong.

People are taking this as an endorsement of apathy. It's not.

[HughBeaumont]

56. I know. HATE the false equivalency bullshit.

What exactly did Ed or Keith say that wasn't true?

Calling someone a nutjob for, you know, BEING a nutjob (which all of the REST of the RTRSoF footage exposed in all it's nudity) is pretty much NOT the same damned thing as when a Faux "pundit" barfs hyper-dramatic, red-baiting, end-times hyperbole and Reagan-era stereotypes when describing Democrats.

[mzmolly]

63. Exactly right. I was thinking about all the violence that has come from right wing rhetoric

and pondered if anything similar has happened in recent decades, from the left. I can't think of anything off hand. Can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25872864/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392081,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/06/AR2010010604095.html

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/07/montana-tea-violence/

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/28/mosque-bombing-ny/

Much more here:

http://pr.thinkprogress.org/2010/10/pr20101028

[CommonSensePLZ]

66. Jon Stewart's an ok comedian (and activist apparently), but he's not a politician

Did you hear that lame song Kid Rock and Sheryl Crowe were singing? "I can't do anything, all I can do is care" :cry: Yeah, that's the attitude that gets results - boo hoo.

[mzmolly]

68. I did! What an odd song. IIRC Kid Rock is a Republican, which might explain the underlying

you're on your own message. ;)

[Overseas]

67. K&R ! //nt

[sabrina 1]

70. I didn't notice that, but I did miss part of the rally.

Anyhow, :kick: and rec for all three. They are part of the solution imho!

[deacon]

71. I agree because the bigotry they do speak of is accurate. n/t

[Divine Discontent]

72. oh you BET I'm gonna rec this thread! THANK YOU KEITH, ED, & REP GRAYSON!!!

[jmondine]

75. I disagree with Jon Stewart on this point, but I'm still pretty sure he's not Hitler.

[CatWoman]

77. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:thumbsup:

[mzmolly]

79. LOL. Good! That means we don't have to use our

second amendment remedies to uh, take him out. ;)

[mstinamotorcity]

76. you guys

are appreciated:applause: :applause: :applause:

[mod mom]

78. agreed.

[AzDar]

80. K & R

:kick:

[xloadiex]

82. +1

Love Ed and Keith and Rep Grayson.

[Faygo Kid]

83. I too was disappointed. Keith as the moral equivalence of Glenn Beck? I don't think so.

Or Ed and Rush, or Grayson and Coulter.

Not even close.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

86. Very cool pic!

A beautiful family.

[me b zola]

84. K&R

:thumbsup:

[pacalo]

87. Although it was an attempt to balance both sides, neither Keith or Ed deserved to be tied in

with Fixed News. NOBODY can be compared to FN liars. Everything reported by Keith & Ed can be backed up with facts. We all know this at DU because we're paying close attention every day, but I was annoyed at having to explain to my husband why Keith was inserted into that montage.

I'd like to see Jon fix this mistake in judgment.

[mzmolly]

108. I agree. And this article from Think Progress

aptly demonstrates why we can't honestly be compared:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9425496&mesg_id=9425496

[JDPriestly]

89. There are limits to Jon Stewart's sanity bit.

Are we to be neutrally "sane" in the face of war profiteering, of greedy insurance companies, of profiteering charter schools?

I don't think Jon Stewart would suggest that. Olbermann and Grayson are trying to wake people up. They don't lie to us. They are just trying to wake people up.

[mzmolly]

109. Yep. We tried reason and so called "sanity" in addressing the brainwashed loons - it got us Iraq.

No thanks. :hi:

Some apt quotes from Keith's twitter: http://twitter.com/keitholbermann

# Last comment then I'll drop this:Whatever the losses are Tuesday,will they be because Liberals were too LOUD or because they were too timid? Saturday, October 30, 2010 3:12:02 PM via web

# I wish it were otherwise. But you can tone down all you want and the result will be: the Right will only get LOUDER. Sorry. Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:26:48 PM via Twittelator

# The America before today's cable wasn't reasonable discussion. It was the 1-sided lockstep of Fox and people afraid of Fox.That got us Iraq.

[hfojvt]

90. we sure do lurve our rich celebrities

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0&ob=av2e

[mzmolly]

110. I "lurve" people who fight for the collective cause. It has

nothing to do with celebrity. But you do have a point about the lack of willingness to critique Jon Stewart.



As I stated above, I enjoyed the rally a great deal. I didn't care for the false comparison of left v. right, however. There is no comparison. >>>>>>>>>>> http://pr.thinkprogress.org/2010/10/pr20101028

[Misskittycat]

93. I, too, disagreed with Jon S. on this single point. n/t

[rainlillie]

94. Love Keith & Ed!

[pacalo]

95. Kick.

[davidwparker]

96. Right. Just watched the whole thing again. I loved the

rally and all that Jon, Stephen, et al. did.

But, Jon doesn't have clean hands in that either. All KO has to do to make his point back to Jon was to take some of the clips which Jon has shown about KO and intermix them with Jon's from his show.

Including the 10 minute "Go F Yourself" back to Beck.

KO, Ed, Rachel, et al are not part of the problem; they are just a minority, left voice in an ocean of propaganda. Much like Jon has to kick it up to make his points.

[indimuse]

97. KNR! n/t

[Bette Noir]

98. The difference between our guys and theirs is that ours are telling the truth.

As a nurse, I can vouch for the accuracy of Grayson's comment that the Republican health care plan is to "Die quickly." I agree with Ed on almost everything, but he's just not demographically attractive to me (reminds me of my dad). Keith, though... (swoon!)

[Duppers]

99. my thoughts exactly.

K & R

[laughingliberal]

104. K & R nt

[moondust]

111. Jon may have felt he had to include something from the Left.

Just to get some people on the Right to pay any attention.

I'm sure Jon would not deem publicly calling Geobbels a scoundrel and a POS for what he did, even to the extent of demonization from time to time, the equivalent of Goebbels demonizing Jews and gypsies (or Nancy Pelosi).

:shrug:

[mzmolly]

112. I'm sure the intention was good, as you suggest. Stewart said his rally would be non-partisan.

That said, I don't think the right pays much attention as a rule? They're "low information voters" as Ed Schultz would say. ;)

[JI7]

113. i agree, it would be one thing to be critical of them

but there is no way they can be compared to the trash on the right.

it's like comparing Code Pink(who i have many critciisms of) to the violent protestors on the right like the guy who stomped on that girl's head.

wasn't jon just recently criticizing obama for not fighting hard enough or some other thing. yet he criticizes those 3 guys.

it seems like Jon is the one who thinks we can easily work with the right wing as longas Dems don't behave like Grayson. talk about naive.

i hate it when people like Jon feel the need to do this to come off as not as partisan.

[mzmolly]

114. "wasn't jon just recently criticizing obama for not fighting hard enough or some other thing. ...

yet he criticizes those 3 guys." Yes he was and that's a great point.