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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 06:59 PM
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Ted Koppel: Olbermann, O'Reilly and the death of real news
Ted Koppel: Olbermann, O'Reilly and the death of real news
By Ted Koppel
Sunday, November 14, 2010

...The parent companies of all three networks would ultimately find a common way of dealing with the risk and expense inherent in operating news bureaus around the world: They would eliminate them. Peter Jennings and I, who joined ABC News within a year of each other in the early 1960s, were profoundly influenced by our years as foreign correspondents. When we became the anchors and managing editors of our respective programs, we tried to make sure foreign news remained a major ingredient. It was a struggle.

Peter called me one afternoon in the mid-'90s to ask whether we at "Nightline" had been receiving the same inquiries that he and his producers were getting at "World News Tonight." We had, indeed, been getting calls from company bean-counters wanting to know how many times our program had used a given overseas bureau in the preceding year. This data in hand, the accountants constructed the simplest of equations: Divide the cost of running a bureau by the number of television segments it produced. The cost, inevitably, was deemed too high to justify leaving the bureau as it was. Trims led to cuts and, in most cases, to elimination.

The networks say they still maintain bureaus around the world, but whereas in the 1960s I was one of 20 to 30 correspondents working out of fully staffed offices in more than a dozen major capitals, for the most part, a "bureau" now is just a local fixer who speaks English and can facilitate the work of a visiting producer or a correspondent in from London.

Much of the American public used to gather before the electronic hearth every evening, separate but together, while Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, Frank Reynolds and Howard K. Smith offered relatively unbiased accounts of information that their respective news organizations believed the public needed to know. The ritual permitted, and perhaps encouraged, shared perceptions and even the possibility of compromise among those who disagreed.
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It was an imperfect, untidy little Eden of journalism where reporters were motivated to gather facts about important issues. We didn't know that we could become profit centers. No one had bitten into that apple yet.

The transition of news from a public service to a profitable commodity is irreversible. Legions of new media present a vista of unrelenting competition. Advertisers crave young viewers, and these young viewers are deemed to be uninterested in hard news, especially hard news from abroad. This is felicitous, since covering overseas news is very expensive. On the other hand, the appetite for strongly held, if unsubstantiated, opinion is demonstrably high. And such talk, as they say, is cheap.

Broadcast news has been outflanked and will soon be overtaken by scores of other media options. The need for clear, objective reporting in a world of rising religious fundamentalism, economic interdependence and global ecological problems is probably greater than it has ever been. But we are no longer a national audience receiving news from a handful of trusted gatekeepers; we're now a million or more clusters of consumers, harvesting information from like-minded providers...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/12/AR2010111202857.html
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:07 PM
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1. + infinity.
Never have I been more disappointed that I can rec something only once.
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jancantor Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:10 PM
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3. I agree
Just a very good article. I even like the way they said "relatively unbiased". It is an impossibility for any news to be unbiased, and they recognize that... However what we have now is WAY different from what we had then
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:08 PM
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2. K&R...nt
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:19 PM
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4. yeah ..n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:29 PM
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5. Well okay but what's the point?
I don't recall Olbermann ever claiming to be a newscaster.

I don't watch O'Reilly but I'd guess he would deny that he was one as well.

So what is Koppel saying? Appears to me like people in the "news" profession gave up and let the field be taken over by infotainers.

Now he's whining because the journalistic profession is becoming obsolete. They did it to themselves by not standing up to the corporate bosses.

I think Mr Koppel is a little full of himself. "Trusted gatekeepers"? Sounds a bit pompous to me.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:43 PM
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8. The point here is that this is what all news has become.
We do no have news, we have infomedia entertainment.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:16 AM
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27. THANK YOU
AMAZING how many DUers do NOT fucking get that :mad:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:32 PM
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6. He's only making this observation now???
Where was this fool 9 years ago when fox news was the propaganda arm of morons* reign of terror?

Sorry, but part of being an "elder" statesmen of journalism, is NOT pointing out the bleeding obvious 9 years after the fact.

Ted needs to retire.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:32 PM
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7. I didn't see Ted Koppel covering the theft of the election in 2000.
Edited on Sat Nov-13-10 07:33 PM by tblue
So, you haven't served us all that well either, Ted Koppel, though I remember wishing so bad that you would cover that story. And Keith's show is not news. It's commentary. His show is a response to Fox. If Fox wasn't screwing the news while calling itself "news," we probably wouldn't have Countdown or Rachel or Ed Show or The Last Word with Lawrence O. Take those shows off and there is no counter to Fox on tv anywhere.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:16 PM
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9. Now this is +infinity. nt
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:26 PM
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10. a-fucking-men nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:30 PM
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13. ABC was already owned by Disney in 2000.
Objective reporting of events was already a thing of the past.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:34 PM
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15. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:27 AM
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25. Really? Care to back it up?
Because that would make ABC and Nightline rather exceptional among the corporate media. We're talking prior to the SCOTUS decision that mooted what anyone had to report. Do you have a link?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 07:39 AM
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29. It's up to you to back it up.
You support the ridiculous assertion that Koppel didn't cover the 2000 election theft. Prove it.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:20 AM
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34. No US corporate media covered the theft side of the 2000 election theft prior to SCOTUS decision
though they reported on allegations, they left out evidence. And you know it.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:58 AM
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36. I don't watch Keith for the NEWS of the day. The BIG diference between Fox and MSNBC, MS doesn't
MAKE SHIT UP - which Fox does all day long. Even though MS has a liberal slant - remember - so often does REALITY.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:29 PM
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11. Ted Koppel sold his soul a long time ago.
I used to respect him.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:29 PM
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12. I thought a bad toupee
Edited on Sat Nov-13-10 08:31 PM by U4ikLefty
was the end of real news.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:32 PM
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14. Better late than never, I guess. Didn't he see what they did to Dan Rather?
Or was he too busy counting his paychecks, hoping his ratings would go up higher after they sacked Dan at CBS?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:37 PM
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16. Koppel is right
The money and the opinion in the news makes it not real news. He states his case well and he's 100% correct. Ultimately Fox, MSNBC, and even the scream machine at CNN are bad for the country. It's just meant to reinforce peoples world views.

Stewart has done the best job at pointing this out. It's sad that DUers and others that enjoy Fox and MSNBC get offended when it's pointed out that opinion dressed as news is still opinion.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:38 PM
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17. The Gatekeepers Lost Their Independence 20-30 Year Ago
And stopped being trusted. That didn't help. Otherwise, this is all very true.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:52 PM
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18. I recall people trying to point this sort of thing out to Koppel...
...and other network news people, and getting the old "the right is yelling at us, the left is yelling at us, we must be getting it about right" routine.

An thus the tax breaks that made it more attractive for stockholders and corporations to squeeze every last buck, and the deregulation that allowed merger upon merger increasing the concentration of media ownership, were rarely if ever examined or challenged, and never with the sort of drumbeat that might counter the drumbeat pushing the other way.

Nice to see Koppel finally gets it, but he didn't exactly make waves when it could have keep us from ending up in the mess that we're in.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:20 PM
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19. He lost me at "twin pillars of political partisanship".
If he can't tell the difference between the bogus narrative hawked relentlessly by Fox and the well-reasoned opinions of MSNBC hosts, he isn't paying as much attention to the concept of reality-testing as a "real" journalist should.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:38 PM
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20. The difference between the talking heads
on Fox and MSNBC and the kind of shit they peddle is so little, there is not a practical difference. As the years progress fewer and fewer people remember real journalism, and fall for the utter crap that passes on Infotainment shows like Hannity, Maddow, Beck & Olbermann.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:51 AM
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35. The old right-wing "They're all the same" argument.
Uh-huh.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:55 PM
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38. It's an essential ingredient of how the "center" has moved waaaaay to the right.
Split the difference between the rodeo clown Beck and the PhD. Maddow and call it the "middle".
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:45 AM
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21. How ironic of Ted to be concerned with the state of news reporting today.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 12:48 AM by Old and In the Way
It was his incessant 444+ days of reporting on the Iranian hostage crisis that helped deliver Bush/Reagan to this country 30 years ago. Funny, I never remember him reporting that Bush cut a deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages until after the election (Guns for Hostages). Without Ted's helpful framing, Carter may well have been re-elected and we might have been Bush-free and energy independent today.

His false equivalence concerns are duly noted.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:58 AM
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24. "America Held Hostage" was the main breakthrough in creating today's 24/7 bullshit news.
Stunning that this character poses as Mr. Respectable against the MSNBC crowd.
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Dyler Turden Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:54 AM
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22. K&R.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:57 AM
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23. Olbermann covers a lot more "real news" than Koppel did.
Remember, this is the man who anchored AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE.

The establishment corporate media (as opposed to the supposedly equivalent styles of FOX and MSNBC) was almost nowhere on Iran-Contra (which helped spawn Cheney as the Congressional cover-up man), and nowhere on CIA-drugs, the 2000 election, the WMD lies while they were happening, and the totally predictable effects of the housing bubble and derivatives speculation (which many observers saw for self-evident reasons and wrote about starting way back in 2004). They were and remain reliable transmission belts for whatever lies the national security state cooks up. That's an even bigger problem than the supposed lack of civility at MSNBC (which clearly bothers Mr. Koppel a lot more than FOXNEWS).

And again, Olbermann as an honest partisan brings real stories with factual backing, stories that Nightline in its new lite format ignores.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 03:34 AM
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26. I imagine Ted hasn't seen that much of KO show
his opinion piece is exactly the fact less reporting he claims to hate.
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Tabasco_Dave Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 06:32 AM
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28. Ted Koppel is a phony
and that thing on his head, is made from the tail of a pony. The right wing media has been beating up liberals for the last 20 years nobody defended us but when the left fights back, we get criticized. FUCK YOU! TED & JON! :grr:
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 07:42 AM
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30. News on cable isn't Cronkite style news anymore,it's news
with an ideological twist. We can thank Murdoch for lowering the bar. Did anybody really not know that?
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 09:05 AM
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31. I didn't see these pukes complainin when Fox was the only thing out there.
now that liberals suddenly have a small voice, it's just terrible. Too fucking bad.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 09:11 AM
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32. Those news anchors were my daily bread
I remember every one of them.

"Much of the American public used to gather before the electronic hearth every evening, separate but together, while Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, Frank Reynolds and Howard K. Smith offered relatively unbiased accounts of information that their respective news organizations believed the public needed to know. The ritual permitted, and perhaps encouraged, shared perceptions and even the possibility of compromise among those who disagreed."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 10:40 AM
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33. Ted Koppel and Nightline were CREATED to hype the Iran hostages....
and night after night it went on in an attack on Carter and his presidency --

for the right wing --

!!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:00 PM
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37. Says "Mr. Embedded."
:eyes:
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