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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:59 PM
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can someone help me with this SB 510 food safety bill
Hi all,
First of all, I cant even find where the bill is. I guess I am kind of dumb at the interwebbs today!!!!!

Anyway, some people I am acquainted with are FLIPPING OUT saying this is going to make growing your own food a criminal offense and farmers markets are going to be gone and the GUMMINT is taking over and if this bill passes dogs and cats will live together and up will be down and the next thing you know people will be marrying trash cans!

So, I have been trying to look this up and all I find are blogs saying STOP SB 510! The world is going to end if you don't.

Anyway, is anyone out there familiar with the bill?

Can anyone post a link and explain to me what this means to the small farmer and home gardiner for real so I can make a reasonably sound argument or call my legislator against it if necessary?

I hate being so uninformed!
Thanks!
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 04:04 PM
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1. If it is the food safety bill
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 04:05 PM
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2. Snopes is your friend:
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 04:06 PM by The Velveteen Ocelot
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/organic.asp

It will not affect home gardeners, organic foods or farmers' markets.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:31 PM
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9. I think you're leaping to conclusions.
I don't know how one knows for sure if an amendment passes with a bill until the bill passes. Without the amendment, the bill is terrible. I don't want the FDA controlling what I do with my seeds, or with what all the folks online who sell heirloom vegetable seeds do either. They would certainly be put out of business.

Here's an article about the amendment (which still doesn't make me feel okay)

http://indianapublicmedia.org/eartheats/amendment-small-farms-exempt-food-safety-bill/



Amendment Makes Small Farms Exempt From Some Food Bill Regulations
By Annie Corrigan
Posted November 19, 2010

News of the Senate’s dealings with the Food Safety Modernization Act (s. 510) continues to make headlines. Most recently, a new amendment has been added to the bill that will exempt small farmers and producers.

The Tester-Hagan Amendment, introduced by Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT) who himself is an organic farmer, would make exempt farms from the FDA regulations proposed in the bill that sell directly to consumers, restaurants, or retailers within state lines. It would also apply to producers who sell within 275 miles and make less than $500,000 annually. The exemption would be withdrawn if it is found that the producer is connected to a food-borne illness outbreak.



And then there is the Codex Alimentarius reference. It's still in the bill. Here's one of many articles on Codex in S-510:
http://yupfarming.blogspot.com/2010/09/s-510-and-codex-alimentarius-removal-of.html




Monday, September 20, 2010

S 510 and Codex Alimentarius - the removal of nutrition

by A. Goodwin


S 510 includes passages that would force harmonization with Codex Alimentarius. It is a name most people do not know and one that the media has not exposed though its consequences to human health would be extreme. Codex threatens the lives of millions through limiting access to adequate supplementation.

From an open letter by Dr. Matthias Rath, a renowned cardiologist, sent to Helmut Kohl, the German chancellor and one time pharmaceutical lobbyist who introduced Codex to the world.


This "Codex" Commission is overwhelmingly composed of representatives of German and international pharmaceutical corporations, and its aim is to set world-wide guidelines for vitamins, amino acids, minerals and other dietary supplements. Spearheaded by the German pharmaceutical corporations, this Codex Commission plans to ban, on a world wide scale, any health statements in relation to vitamins, be it preventive or therapeutic. Moreover, the only vitamin formulas which would still be available would have to meet the arbitrary restrictions of the Codex Commission. The nations that do not comply with these restrictions are faced with economic sanctions.


more...



There's a lot more there...

http://yupfarming.blogspot.com/2010/09/s-510-and-codex-alimentarius-removal-of.html
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:34 PM
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10. I'm not leaping to any conclusions at all -- just citing Snopes
which is generally a pretty good, objective resource. You can draw whatever conclusions you want from that and other sources.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:50 PM
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15. I did spend a couple of days looking into it.

And I wasn't reassured.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 04:11 PM
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3. Here is the bill page and further links to videos:
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EarthFirster Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 04:56 PM
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4. I tried posting in the country bumpkin section
it got panned, people are asleep...Obamas AG secretary is a MONSANTO CLOWN.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4548062-sb-510-a-food-safety-bill-or-something-else-entirely

.B. 510: A Food "Safety" Bill or Something Else Entirely?
New York City : NY : USA | Nov 03, 2009
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By James J. Gormley

Do you grow heirloom tomatoes you sell on your own property or at a local farmer’s market? If so, you will be in for a whopper of a surprise if Senator Durbin’s Senate Bill 510 (S.B. 510) passes: you may be receiving a visit from inspectors.

Products not grown according to designated standards will be considered adulterated and your business records will be subject to warrantless searches by inspectors from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), all this without any evidence that you have violated any law.

Wonder why the National Guard or Federal agents have effectively imposed martial law by quarantining your town? Under S.B. 510’s House counterpart bill, H.R. 2749 (Section 133b, “Authority to Prohibit or Restrict the Movement of Food”), sponsored by Congressman Dingell, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will have the power to prohibit all movement of all food within a geographic area, whether the food is in your grandmother’s grocery bag in her Toyota Hybrid or on a flatbed. No court order will be needed, just a phone call to the appropriate state official and a public announcement will be sufficient.

Upset that raw milk or raw milk cheeses (like feta) are no longer available in the U.S.? This could well happen thanks to the “performance standards” powers that would be granted to the FDA by S.B. 510, especially since the agency has made it clear that it is vehemently opposed to the consumption of raw milk products.

Amazed that U.S. food safety regulations strangely match those of other countries? Well, Section 306 of S.B. 510 would require “Recommendations to harmonize requirements under the Codex Alimentarius.”

And what about food supplement manufacturers, suppliers, distributors and health food stores? Will they be ensnared in this bill’s draconian, 1984-esque net? Very possibly so.

This all may seem far-fetched, but theoretically, this new law would give the government all this authority.

S.B. 510 (which would cost Americans $825 billion in 2010 alone) and the House of Representatives version of this bill, H.R. 2749, which did pass under suspended rules, do not address the root causes of the U.S.'s food safety problems, which were highlighted in both a recent campaign by the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund (FTCLDF) and by a letter to 99 U.S. senators by the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund (R-CALF USA).

According to Citizens for Health (http://www.citizens.org/), if this proposed law is enacted it would:

• Undermine DSHEA and move the U.S. one step closer to harmonizing our standards under Codex with those of supplement-restrictive regimes like the European Union. (DSHEA, or the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, asserts that supplements are food and are safe for consumption unless proven otherwise – ensuring that millions of Americans are able to enjoy access to safe, effective and affordable dietary supplements).

• Give the FDA unprecedented control over farms and direct-to-consumer distributors. If passed, the bills would charge facilities an annual $500 registration fee, require additional record keeping, and expand FDA authority to quarantine geographic areas for alleged food safety problems – all without significantly improving food safety.

• Cost U.S. taxpayers trillions of dollars ($825 billion in 2010 alone) while providing fewer physical inspections and less food safety overall.

• Harm U.S. organic farmers by imposing overlapping regulations.

• Hurt food supplements and health-food stores by imposing standards that are already covered by the AER (Adverse Event Reporting) Law, cGMPs (current Good Manufacturing Practices) and food facility registration.

• Cripple local food co-ops, farm stands, independent ranchers and artisanal food producers by imposing unnecessary standards and unfair bureaucratic burdens.

Clearly, S. 510, while purporting to increase food safety would actually leave consumers more vulnerable to foodborne disease since the FDA would be required to use a risky, risk-based food safety system rather than doing old-fashioned, effective physical, on-site inspections in plants, factory farms and slaughterhouses, where the actual food safety concerns are.

Furthermore, the U.S. has abrogated its duty to inspect and enforce food safety standards, both here and abroad, by allowing processing plants to regulate themselves under a failed system; and it has embraced policies that have driven independent U.S. farmers and ranchers out of business and replaced them with corporate-owned, industrialized food production units that are known to cut food safety corners to maximize corporate profits.

So what can consumers do? One thing consumers can do is click here for an opportunity to learn more about this bill and to send a letter to their senators opposing S.B. 510 as it is currently written.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:06 PM
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5. all the information in this post seems to conflict with all other information
from the other posts

small farms being exempt kills some of it

organic growers being exempt kills more of it





There seems to be no documentation for the claim that it will cost taxpayers $825 billion while providing fewer inspections



Also the "Martial law / Quarantining your town" statement seems to be nothing other than alarmist B.S.



Conservatives lash out at every attempt to regulate everything. Without some evidence I can't accept anything in your post.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:49 PM
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14. I posted a couple of times in reply...

But nothing went anywhere. Yes, it's like people are asleep.

I actually got rather frantic, until I saw that about the amendment. I don't know if I should let myself be fully reassured by that or not. I called both of my senators. They weren't very reassuring.

I saw a list somewhere today of how much money various senators have received from one side or the other. Of course, amount of money on the side for it seems to be many thousands of times greater than the money against it. That in itself is suspicious. Big business is in favor of this bill. It's not like business to be in favor of regulation, unless they think they're going to get something out of it. Putting small and organic suppliers out of business might be a boon for them.

Then there is Codex, which is not what the person down thread has described it as. In fact, that's just a "whole n'other thing" altogether. It's just there in one little sentence, something about rationalizing with Codex Alimentarius.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:17 PM
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6. It all depends...
Here's the text: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s510/text

The bill as written is completely vague and unbelievably broad, and does give tons of oversight to the FDA. People who are worried about it say that the requirements in it, such as for food growers to file paperwork of all kinds, or the types of machinery needed to clean seeds, say, will put small growers out of business and into bankruptcy, and then the big agribusiness guys will end up with their farms. So maybe yes, goodbye to local farmers markets.

Critics of the bill also point out that it does nothing really to protect us from such things as, say, melamine in baby formula, while doing too much to protect us from those nasty small and organic farmers. One site explained that the FDA has (i think previously) defined seeds as food, and so now they can control them as food. If this bill passes, all those requirements about growers would apply to people who save seed and sell it to others, or I suppose even trade it. I'm not sure how much of this I'm getting right or wrong...

There is an amendment, it has two names...It was the Tester Amendment, but I think someone else signed on. The amendment would exempt or protect small producers. Without the amendment, I think it is truly a terrible, terrible bill.

There is another thing in it that I find very worrisome -- it calls for something to do with Codex Alimentarius, which is potentially a very, very bad thing as well. I think it was something about rationalizing our food rules with those of Codex Alimentarius. Many groups are opposed to Codex because they say it will cause supplements to be treated like drugs, thus becoming expensive and prescription only. It would supposedly limit the dosages of vitamins to something like the RDA, which we all know isn't a valuable measurement when it comes to what the body actually needs. I don't know how much of it is true, but Codex has been fought off at least a couple of times in Congress over the past 10 or 15 years, and it just keeps coming back.

There is also at least one very intelligent conversation about it. That's here:

http://www.grist.org/article/food-2010-11-15-food-fight-safety-modernization-act-harm-small-farms


Will the Food Safety Modernization Act harm small farms or producers?

Word has it that debate and voting of the Food Safety Modernization Act will begin this Wednesday in the Senate. If passed, S. 510 will greatly expand the FDA's authority over both processed foods and fresh fruits and vegetables. Will it thus make all of us eaters less likely to get sick? Last week, our esteemed panelists agreed that it will, with some caveats. (For all installments in this Food Fight series, see box, upper right; full bios are here.)

But now we come to one of the most contentious questions surrounding the bill: At what cost? Meaning, are S. 510's measures so onerous to small farmers and producers as to put them out of business ... and thus limit the choices available to us eaters?


At the moment, for myself, I go with those who do not trust the FDA. I do not want them controlling any more of my food than they already do.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:38 PM
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12. Basically I agree with you.


But are you sure the vitamin ban in Europe has happened? I think it passed, but it isn't actually in force yet, is it?

The inclusion of Codex in this bill is very, very alarming to me.

I'm kind of new to actually watching what happens with legislation, so I'm not sure how to be clear about what is truly going on. I hope someone is.

Usually there are lots and lots of organized groups against Codex, probably first among them vitamin and supplement manufacturers, although maybe they've been pulled in by promises of higher prices for their goods? I've no idea, actually. I don't see any of those activists here on DU.

The history of Codex is definitely scary. It just won't go away. We beat it one way, it comes in another door. Bar that door, it goes around to the side. All of that makes me even more apprehensive about it.

Oh, the other odd thing in the food bill is it gives authority to a commissioner, I guess, who just gets to decide sometime down the road what to actually do. So then, it would all depend on who was in the White House and who was appointed as that commnissioner, or whatever position it would be.

All very worrisome to me.
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jancantor Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:30 PM
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8. I agree too
The burden is always on those who propose stuff like this. I haven't seen a compelling argument yet.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:35 PM
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11. Codex Alimentarious is a form of HACCP
Hazard Analysis Critical Control Points. That means that food plants have to identify all the food safety hazards and have a system that controls those hazards. By mandating one standard, it guarentees that we can expect the same minimum standards regardless of company or category specific preference. I don't see why that is worrisome.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:42 PM
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13. Codex is not nearly so simple.

That's not what it is at all. That might be in there somewhere, but to say that that is what Codex is is simply untruel.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 06:21 PM
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17. As a food safety professional, that is how it applies to my job
in the food processing industry. Maybe there are other industries and sub industries that have some issues with it that aren't obvious from my point of view.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 06:03 PM
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16. There is language protecting supplements from Codex A.
I'm not sure this is entirely iron clad, but apparently there was a lot of discussion about Codex in the bill back in the spring, and some language was changed and other language was added.

Now, the bill says :


Section 306

(c) Plan- The plan developed under subsection (a) shall include, as appropriate, the following:


(1) Recommendations for bilateral and multilateral arrangements and agreements, including provisions to provide for responsibility of exporting countries to ensure the safety of food. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(2) Provisions for secure electronic data sharing. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(3) Provisions for mutual recognition of inspection reports. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(4) Training of foreign governments and food producers on United States requirements for safe food. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(5) Recommendations on whether and how to harmonize requirements under the Codex Alimentarius. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

(6) Provisions for the multilateral acceptance of laboratory methods and detection techniques. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



And this language was added:


(d) Rule of Construction- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect the regulation of dietary supplements under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (Public Law 103-417).


So, maybe it's okay. But I won't be sure until it's all said and done. The main thing I've learned in the last few years is it is foolish these days to trust our government and/or our representatives, no matter which party they say they are in.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:30 AM
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18. Received an email from consumer group re: S-510
This email came from Citizens for Health.

It lists a few concerns that remain, as far as they are concerned. They say the Tester-Hagan amendment is good, but does not quite go far enough, and that they are still concerned about the potential for being required to give up our food sovereignty -- and that would be the Codex Alimentarius language.

Here's a couple of paragraphs:



Shortly after our alert the bill's sponsors agreed to a slightly modified version of the Tester-Hagan amendment protecting small farms and distributors from S. 510's overreaching provisions better suited for big agribusiness and the large-scale operations to which recent food safety problems have been attributed. A new effort to invoke cloture on the amended bill failed due to arguments over allowing Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) to submit an amendment on earmarks, so now consideration of cloture on the amended S. 510 has been postponed until the Senate returns on November 29.

Agreement on the Tester-Hagan amendment is good news, but it doesn't go far enough to alleviate all of our concerns with S. 510. Among the problems that have yet to be addressed are what constitutes "reasonable" probability that the use of or exposure to an article of food will cause serious health consequences, and language that could sacrifice the sovereignty of our internal laws and regulations. Read more about our issues with S. 510.



Sorry, I don't know how to make their link "Read more about our issues with S. 510" work, but here is the page that it links to (although I haven't been able to get it to work, either):

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=N7uyFKFeJcvOIU6%2BbnM0VQg0i%2FeNAX9n

Hmm, I still can't get that link to work. I can't get to their site at all (Citizens for Health). I don't know if it's my computer or the link or what. Sorry. Maybe it will work a little later.



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