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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 09:14 PM
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Eleanor Clift: 'Part of Obama’s problem is that there’s too much hero worship around him'


Eleanor Clift: 'Part of Obama’s problem is that there’s too much hero worship around him'
by John Aravosis
November 22, 2010

And the problem isn't just the hero worship of those surrounding Obama, there's been a concerted effort to shun anyone who is progressive. One glaring example: Stiglitz and Krugman, who just so happened to be right about the need for a larger stimulus. The hero worship is more conservative worship, and anyone who isn't a conservative Dem, or Republican, need not apply to the Obama court.

From Eleanor Clift at Newsweek:

Part of Obama’s problem is that there’s too much hero worship around him, and that translates into a reluctance to fault him for anything, except maybe that he didn’t make a good enough case for all the wonderful things he’s done. He has done good things, but the voters don’t give you credit for saving them from a depression; they reward you for making their lives better, and that hasn’t happened. The bankers on Wall Street are doing fine, but the other 80 percent of the country is hurting, and that’s not supposed to happen when a Democrat is in the White House.

In his post-election press conference, Obama said there must be easier ways to learn the hard lessons of politics than getting the shellacking he and the Democrats got. There are, and if his aides weren’t so in love with him and wrapped up in the idea of him as a transformational president, they might have seen this coming.

Though he’s portrayed as a liberal, it’s not clear what he’ll fight for, and he keeps that deliberately vague, perhaps hoping to deliver on the post-partisan promise his election represented. The fight over whether to extend Bush-era tax cuts is a perfect example. The White House needs to settle on a strategy and then execute it, whatever it is. Hope is not a strategy, and the extent to which Obama seems to weigh the political considerations of whatever decision he makes reinforces the voters’ disillusionment that rather than leading, he has instead become part of the government—an implicit admission of his failure to bring about the change he ran on.

What he needs are some hard-nosed policies to rescue the millions of homeowners who are underwater, plus a vision to revive the nation’s manufacturing base to begin the long and painful restoration of jobs. He needs people around him who make him uncomfortable, who challenge his world view, and who have a better understanding of the workings of Capitol Hill, however dysfunctional it has become. The people around Obama caught the lightning in ’08, but they’ve been outmaneuvered by a party that two years ago was on the brink of extinction.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/19/the-problem-with-the-cult-of-obama.html


http://www.americablog.com/2010/11/eleanor-clift-part-of-obamas-problem-is.html
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 09:17 PM
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1. no, when you bite the hand that fed you
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 09:18 PM by upi402
and then give a swift kick to the junk...

a certain portion of your supporters will turn. not just criticize. but work against you.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 09:18 PM
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2. there's people who hero-worship Obama?
oh right :rofl:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:06 PM
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5. I've never seen it.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:35 PM
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9. Yeah, weird
:shrug:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:15 PM
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31. Well, they are getting a little scarce around here.
The usual bunch seem to have given this thread a pass.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 09:43 PM
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3. Hero worship? Past tense. n/t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 09:47 PM
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4. We are investing too much in personalities and not enough in a movement.
I think Clift makes a very good point.

We're becoming increasingly conditioned to "worship" hero athletes, musicians, celebrities, and politicians.


You almost can't get noticed in this society unless your're a "rock star".
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:10 AM
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12. This is what PR (public relations) is all about
Obama's campaign was a PR job.....It's been around since the early 20th century - Edward Bernays (nephew of Sigmund Freud) applied Freud's methods of psychoanalysis to marketing and he exploited those techniques in the manufacturing industry. His initial success was getting women to smoke cigarettes. Documentary movie about this called The Power of Nightmares.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:14 PM
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6. John Aravosis loves his wedge-driving
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:30 PM
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7. Clift says Obama needs people around him who make him uncomfortable. IIRC, that was the whole
strategy of his cabinet and advisory picks. Summers, Geithner, Bernanke -- all these people were supposed to be "good" picks b/c they would "challenge" him, and then he'd send these anti-populists out to do The People's work which would make the forthcoming reforms all the more substantial b/c they would be instituted by ideological enemies of reform.

It wasn't bleary-eyed bloggers who came up with this calculus. This message was crafted by Team Obama to get the left to ignore the new administration's conflicted staffing-up. "Hush now," we were told, "the grown-ups are building your Hope Machine just like we promised we would."

This was back when it was assumed Obama was a wild-eyed progressive reformist who needed a cloud of business-friendly white men pragmatists surrounding him as a smoke-screen for the nervous Chamber of Commerce cabal who were expecting Jeremiah Wright Jr.

Clift believes these same pragmatists have problematically become the Obama Fan Club. Talk about getting it all backwards...this WAS the "challenging, DC-savvy" cabinet and staff and their toadying elicits exactly the booty that makes their butt-buddies peers at Goldman Sachs richer by the second.


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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:34 PM
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8. +1 nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 01:35 AM
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15. +1
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 06:55 PM
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26. I believe that about nails it.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:35 AM
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32. Well, It Seem Evident That What Was Missing Was The Progressive
side of the equation to make sure that all the competing sides were heard before the decisions were reached. Alas, we are now concluding that Obama all along was packing his stable with his like-minded political colleagues who despise any strong affinity to progressive politics.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:03 PM
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34. dismissing Dean was a big ticket for the cluetrain. the man who'd just won the election for Obama.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:05 AM
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10. Candidate Obama promissed more than just post-partisanship
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:08 AM
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11. I've got news for president Obama....
In a winner take all election process there is always going to be partisanship...

There is no post partisan America anywhere near on any visible horizon..
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:56 AM
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13. someone will come along soon...
to help you make "sense" of this and tell you why you are wrong. :)
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 01:08 AM
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14. The problem with bipartisanship
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 01:13 AM by somone
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/03/22/divided_we_stand/

March 22, 2009
Divided we stand
The problem with bipartisanship
By Sam Haselby

...There is little evidence that solutions to big problems are to be found through bipartisanship, and plenty to suggest that they are not. The ideal of bipartisanship is what historians call an invented tradition, a new thing that cloaks itself in venerability as a way of obscuring its lack of accomplishment. When it comes to crisis - and there are now a few - the record of bipartisanship is particularly weak...

Democracy depends on partisanship - the kind of strong and critical advocacy that opens public debate, forces the parties to explain their ideas, and clarifies choices for voters. Partisan causes are often bold ideas that originate outside organized parties. Though such ideas can initially be divisive, they can also offer the electorate a genuinely new path forward. By contrast, bipartisanship can cloak corruption, obscure chasms between politicians and the people they are supposed to be serving, or simply show that the leadership of both parties has become a closed club. In principle and in practice, a serious partisanship - one that brings fresh reason to bear on orthodoxy - is fundamental to a healthy democracy....

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In other words, bipartisanship is little different from the status quo, i.e. no real change.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:49 PM
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27. why have parties if you're not going to be partisan? nt
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 01:43 AM
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16. Fucking hilarious.
The man under constant attack from all sides suffers from hero worship. Good one!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:58 AM
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18. as flawed as the OP is, it makes a good point, Obama is the President, he's not our buddy
and the unrealistic elevation of him to hero, or best friend does no one any good.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 04:25 PM
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23. We don't want a good point.
We want less complaining.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 05:17 PM
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24. "We don't want a good point.. We want less complaining. " LOL!
That about sums it up.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 06:43 PM
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25. i would LOVE to have more to like about how this administration administrates...
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 06:53 PM by nashville_brook
i was all geared up for loving them. too bad they've become so mediocre.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:09 PM
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35. Exactly! And those of us who were prepared to be disappointed, would have LOVED to be
pleasantly surprised!

We would have PARTIED had we been proven wrong! There are times when crow is a very tasty dish!

You are so right, and thank you for saying it!

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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:51 PM
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28. well, but there's you. nt
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:58 PM
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30. Hobby: confusing others.... (n/t)
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 02:36 AM
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17. "Hope is not a strategy"
Leadership involves risk.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 08:00 AM
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19. LOL - I guess she doesn't read DU. We have plenty of critique on here. nt
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:51 PM
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29. and plenty of worship. nt
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:10 PM
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36. Somehow, I really don't think many of us here are surrounding the POTUS.
:shrug:
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 08:06 AM
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20. Painfully obvious...
Eleanor Clift hates America and wants Republicans to win

:sarcasm:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 04:24 PM
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22. OMG And I thought she was liberal.
Now it's obvious she hates Obama. She must want him to fail. She must be one of those liberal right wingers that get chewed on here all the time. All this complaining things. It's enough to make newt gingrich sick.

:sarcasm:
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 08:35 AM
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21. Uh-oh.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 01:38 PM
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33. Those on the left most disappointed were the biggest worshipers.
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 01:40 PM by gulliver
Clift's is kind of a pedestrian, obvious, and basically wrong observation, although I agree with the policy ideas.

Attacks on the palace guard have started to become commonplace. Clifton is missing the main point: Most of the disappointment with Obama originates with people who set their expectations too high. The hyperventilating "hope-and-changers" of the 2008 primary and election got Obama the presidency. When he didn't turn out to be a messiah, many of the the hope-and-changers turned into the "despair-and-weepers." They passed between the Obama fantasy and nightmare worlds without even a brief stop at Earth in between.

The people who see hero worshipers on Obama's team are just seeing themselves as they were before the election. It's very, very ironic.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:13 PM
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37. The "reluctance to fault him for anything" is not about hero worship, IMO.
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 09:15 PM by BlueIris
It's about a reluctance to admit one's mistakes. Not wanting to face up to what we did here, which is not pretty (in a big way.) I can see why many are too ashamed to do it, but if we continue to pretend everything is perfect, we're going to end up like the Bushites. Or worse.
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