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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:45 AM
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Dennis Kucinich | Fake Taliban Leader, Fake Elections, Fake Deadline, Real Trouble
http://www.truth-out.org/dennis-kucinich-fake-taliban-leader-fake-elections-fake-deadline-real-trouble65417

Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich, a leading proponent of peace, today renewed his call to end the Afghan war after it was revealed that a self-proclaimed senior Taliban negotiator working with President Hamid Karzai and NATO officials was in an imposter.

“The war in Afghanistan is taking place in a netherworld where facts and common sense have no place. Elections are fake. Our deadline to withdraw is a fake. Now, we learn that a fake Taliban leader has been leading us to believe that NATO was facilitating high-level talks between Taliban leadership and the corrupt Afghan central government we’re propping up. It was truly amazing that our government said we were negotiating with high-level Taliban leadership while at the same time we were stepping up air strikes to wipe them out.

“Evidence abounds that the Karzai regime in Kabul is among the most corrupt in the world. President Karzai rules through crony capitalism. He works to protect his cronies rather than the Afghan people. Our tax dollars are going to the Karzai family and its supporters to buy villas in Dubai. We know that our tax dollars fund both sides of the conflict. We know that our ‘allies’ pay the enemy not to attack our troops and that they also may be bribing insurgents to attack our troops. We also know that U.S. tax dollars fund Afghan warlords. NATO officials have become so skilled in self-deception that a senior NATO official recently claimed that Kabul is safer for children than most western cities.

Meanwhile those who continue to advocate for the war apply the dark arts of public relations to manufacture support for a war which is neither winnable, nor moral nor sane. It is time for Congress to start asking General Petraeus some direct questions.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:48 AM
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1. I don't care what he saw, he has more guts than anyone on the hill.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:05 AM
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2. +1000! K&R for Dennis...
Always the best! :patriot:
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:08 AM
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3. Never Fail!
Love love LOVE him:loveya:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:13 AM
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5. Well said!
He's been my candidate since 2003 and he never disappoints... I love him, too. :loveya: :hi:
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:33 AM
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6. I think it was around that time
2002 or 2003 that I first learned of him too and I will choose him over anyone, anytime given the opportunity to do so. And then as luck would have it I was extremely lucky to have spent some real quality time with both Dennis and Elizabeth in 2008, on multiple occasions. To say the least, that was very cool.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 04:04 AM
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7. Wow! Very cool, indeed!
He first came on my radar in 2003, when he came out against the Iraq war and was labeled "unpatriotic" for his efforts. *sigh* That's when I first knew that I liked him. And then my friend sent me one of those "Which Candidate Is for You?" tests, and I've matched up with DK 100% every time I've taken it, over the years. For whatever reason, he's not always taken seriously, but I've always believed that he's the smartest guy around, and the most courageous... :patriot: :hi:
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 05:41 AM
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10. he is not taken seriously by the msm
because he is a true demopcrat like jfk was and the msm just cannot let anyone that "crazy" come across as being correct about anything
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 07:17 AM
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41. I think what they're put off by is his honesty
They aren't used to that in the MSM. And you're right, he is a true Democrat, walks the walk. There are too few of those in Congress today. :(
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:50 PM
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18. Bold and on target.


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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:10 PM
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27. Add me to that list, folks!
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 09:57 PM
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34. agreed..a wonderful man
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:41 PM
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16. +1,000
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:06 PM
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26. Yup. K&R
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 08:29 PM
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30. Apparently he can see that the Emperor has no clothes.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:05 PM
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36. End these new "perpetual" wars ..... what right wing wanted most was to overcome
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 11:09 PM by defendandprotect


the "Vietnam syndrome" -- i.e., Americans understanding what "perpetual" wars

were all about -- enriching profiteers, enslaving populations!

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:50 AM
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39. he took on the Cleveland mafia...
and never once blinked.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 03:09 AM
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4. k&r
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 04:10 AM
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8. K&R. We told you so, but why would any of them listen to us just because we're usually right? n/t
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 04:11 AM
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9. K & R nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 10:03 AM
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11. But but but
The Afghanistan War is keeping us safe. You know, we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 10:04 AM
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12. kick for truth
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:23 AM
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13. Nation building, corruption style.
Say, aren't those Chinese dollars we are shoveling out there?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:21 PM
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14. I can always count on Dennis for the truth. K&R
He has the courage to tell it like it really is.

Go Dennis!!!!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 09:15 PM
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31. "Truth to Power" it's what should be..n't
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Celtic Raven Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:34 PM
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15. K&R for Dennis!
:yourock:
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:48 PM
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17. The Dept of Peace would take care of all problems :)
:sarcasm:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:13 PM
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19. That is what I'm saying. Iraq is also of course fake and is never going away under either management
we are a stupid and willfully ignorant people as indicated by a guy like Kooch here being thought of as some deep left figure.

Center left is it, in a rational world. Instead we have Democrats calling him moonbeam while telling us cock and bull about sharing our goals.

If you count Dennis among the fringe then I'm comfortable believing we have very different goals and even far off hopes. Broadway of your ideological universe is conservative and the trip to the regressive side of the track is with in eyeshot. Your Main Street is perhaps willing to tinker with the status quo or to shoot a strongly written letter or two to the dictators of the establishment.

I would say the goals are a closer fit to the Republicans with some differences of opinion rather than compellingly divergent viewpoints on structure and systems.

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 06:34 PM
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20. KNR! n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 06:49 PM
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21. K&R
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 06:51 PM
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22. "...a war which is neither winnable, nor moral nor sane."
Nailed it, as usual. K&R!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 06:56 PM
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23. k&r for a true statesman! nt
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 06:57 PM by wildbilln864
:patriot:
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:03 PM
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24. K&R
Always on point Dennis. Thank you for telling us the truth. Of course it is already way too late.

- But still, it's refreshing to hear it......

Flatworm Economics

"If there can be a solution at this late stage, and most thinking people seriously doubt there can be a “solution” in the way we have always thought of solutions, it begins with powering down everything we consider to be the economy and our survival. That and population reduction, which nobody wants to discuss in actionable terms. Worse yet, there is no state sanctioned, organized entry level for people who want to power down from the horrific machinery of money. There are too many financial, military and corporate and governmental forces that don’t want to see us power down (because it would spell their death), but rather power up even more. That’s called “a recovery.”

When viewed from outside the virtual money economy, and from the standpoint of the planet’s caloric economy, probably half of American and European jobs are not only unnecessary, but also terribly destructive, either directly or indirectly. Yet what nation or economic state acknowledges the need for a transition away from jobs that aren't necessary. None, because such an economy could not support the war machines or the transactional financial industries that dominate our needs hierarchy for the benefit of the few. Loaning us money we have already earned, stuffing us with corn syrup. And I won’t even go into the strong possibility that everybody does not need to be employed at all times for the world to keep on turning."

~Joe Bageant, from - http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/10/algorithms.html">Algorithms and Red Wine
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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:04 PM
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25. There goes Dennis making sense again
I can't fathom why there are so few like him in Congress...
k&r
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:13 PM
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28. Who cares? The defense industry is making hundreds of billions/yr. Isn't it obvious that's important
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:43 PM
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29. I want to stop funding with my Tax dollars all the damn crooks..in these wars , the banks and wall
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 07:46 PM by flyarm
street damn it!

People are loising their homes, they have lost their jobs, fascism has taken over this country and I have a post deleted because I had the nerve to post basically that I don't give a shit that Obama sent out some fucking Thanksgiving Emails??????????

I have a brother in law and sister in law losing their home , after they filled out all the paper work last May for thefederal help in the mortgage so called bail out Obama and this coungress did ..not only did they never get a fucking reply on filling out all that paper work..BOA is harrassing everyone in the family by phone!

I live on the east coast , they live on the west coast and for 4 months now I have gotten harrassing calls from BofA about their mortgage! Telling me their business on the phone. Their mother in law 4 states away has also gotten harrassing phone calls about their mortgage.


Now my brother and cousins all live in a NE state and and are long time members of the Operating Engineers Union..they have all been out of work..and they all tell me today..all the huge road work going on... is not employing the Unions..the money has gone to private contractors that use non union workers!

So tell me how I am supposed to be thrilled over Obama's Thanksgiving fucking emails?????????

Our constitutional rights are being destroyed by Obama's TSA..and I am supposed to be thanking Obama???????????

No thanks..

The only Thanks I have left is for Dennis ..he is the only one left telling any damn truth!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 09:17 PM
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32. If only we could...wouldn't it be SOMETHING!
But, we can't. But...if only..
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 09:21 PM
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33. K&R n/t
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 10:04 PM
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35. K&R. nt
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:54 PM
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37. Kucinich/Grayson 2012.
That is what I would consider the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. Howard Dean as Sec of State.
Anyone not down with that might as well be fellating a Bush
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 12:30 AM
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38. Elective wars are for despots, tin pot dictators and immoral fools.
which which of these are our leaders; who are escalating these wars of insanity; whose effects are the opposite of what is claimed and propagandized; causing infinitely more damage than any conceivable good.

Our nation has become an international laughing stock of hypocrites.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 02:04 AM
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40. Kicked for Dennis
One of the few true human beings in politics.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 07:30 AM
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42. Kick and Rec.
As I said in another post, we've got a whiz-bang General (That's you Petreaus, you dickhead) negotiating with Woody Allen, and Peter Sellers to end the war.

Just get the fuck out already!
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