Nobody gets it....Repukes set Dems up to divide us...

[LeftHander]

Bush ASKED for supplemental funding knowing that the Democrats would balk. They also timed the asking so it would bump up against Memorial Day...

An emotional nationalistic day for America.

It was never about funding, ending the war or supporting the troops. It was another simple Rovian strategy to make the Democrats look weak and to divide the base.

With Bush still in office and the Repukes just a Lieberman away from a majority they can still do anything they want.

We are still the grips of a neocon take over. Until the republicans are out of the White House and we have firmly established a comfortable majority in the house and senate we are in danger of losing our entire government and nation to these ass-hats.

This is the reality.

Legislatively we have no real power over a President that plays fast and loose with the law and makes up his own laws in the form of Presidential Directives.

[EV_Ares]

1. The Dems didn't need any help, they did it themselves. eom.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. I get it.

No one else seems to. But zealots never listen to reason. Funny, it seems Al Gore wasn't just talking about Republicans in his new book.

[Phredicles]

3. Wasn't it Eleanor Roosevelt who said, No one can take advantage of you

without your permission? She was a smart lady.

[Solly Mack]

4. any day now

[UnityDem]

5. Yep, Rove still able to

do a few things like this (with the help of the corporate media lackeys who can only frame all arguments as 1 vs 2 options/ and good vs evil/ winners or losers - nothing of substance/shades of gray/nuance).

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Too bad the "leadership" went along with the supposed ploy.

Which indicates they are incompetent suckers, or collaborated willingly.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. Leadership DIDN'T.

YOU did.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Really? I voted to fund Bush's war? When was that?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. No, you're helping divide us.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. So, how divided are you?

Apparently, you have something against holding our elected representatives accountable when they betray the country by collaborating in Bush's war by funding it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

20. I'm not divided at all.

I see the reality of the situation - that this was a lose-lose-lose proposition. I see that our leadership passed a bill that had benchmarks in place to end the war. I see that we didn't have the votes to override Bush's veto of that bill. I see that 60% of the American people don't support defunding the war. I see that going into Memorial Day, a holiday for commemorating the sacrifice of our troops, without a bill that would support today's troops would be political suicide. I see that the issue will be revisited, with Republican support, in September. I see that Bush will continue the war through the end of his Presidency, with or without this funding, as he's indicated that many times. I see that the only way to actually end the war is by putting a Democrat in the White House, or giving us a veto-proof majority, and not the ultra slim one we have today.

I see that you don't see any of those things, and just want your way now, reality be damned. I see how destructive and short-sighted that approach is. I see that the only thing that you're holding Democrats accountable for is not meeting your unbelievably unrealistic expectations.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. The "realists" voted for the war in the first place.

Using the same arguments.

They gave Bush everything he wanted. They caved. Surrendered, without a fight. They are collaborators in a murderous policy for the sake of "political reality".

If Bush is willing to continue the war with or without funding, then it is pointless to give it to him.

Your faith in politicians is touching but unfounded in "reality".

[Edweird]

33. The (D)'s sent a bill to extend the war. NO BILL = NO WAR.

To extend the war the dems had to CREATE and SEND a bill. What the hell does a veto proof or not veto proof majority have to do with it?

[Virginia Dare]

7. The Repubs are just delaying the inevitable..

Bush's support is hanging by a very thin thread, it will be gone by the end of summer, along with any power he's got remaining. This was Bush's very last gimme on the war, the Repubs have already warned him of that.

[Robbien]

8. How is this any different than any other day?

Of course everything BushCo does is calculated to not only be a win for them but more importantly be a loss for their opposition.

It is how bullies operate.

[MuseRider]

9. The reality is

that there are people dying by the thousands. Innocent people. People who never hurt us. People who are being asked to die for lies and power grabbing and money. There is such a thing as standing up for what you believe even in the face of defeat because it is the right thing to do. The only conclusion many people will come to is that the Democratic party is as into this war as the Republicans are. THAT is the reality, it is being announced that way and that is what most people will believe. I am seriously doubting that they truly oppose it as well. It can't be easy living with that much blood on your hands.

As for zealotry, well so what. What is so fucking wrong about being against death and destruction especially when it continues because it is politically expedient? Can't see it myself.

[Bluerthanblue]

17. zealotry? if standing FIRM

on ending this war- not being willing to 'play games'- not sucking up is zealotry, then hell yeah, i'll be a zealot- without shame or apology.

I strongly agree with you MuseRider- this is FAR more important than political posturing, or frickin politics at ALL- this is about being a member of the human race- and being used as enablers for the wanton, meaningless murder, oppression, and destruction of human lives- forget the possessions, oil- the 'justice'- the god-damned politics.

I realize this is a 'political' message board, but there are times when politics is used like religion- as a scapegoat, and cover for doing things we would like to pretend or deny we are complicit in.

peace-

blu

[MuseRider]

23. Very well said.

I am glad to share the desire for peace with you.

PEACE

[moc]

30. Amen to both of you!

:applause:

In the face of this death and destruction, being a zealot is the only reasonable response, imo.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. Then the GOP will take your mind of Iraq with some other 'event'

the other event will make the American public go into gullible mode again. THe GOP have been fairly clever.

[partylessinOhio]

12. The Democruts did it to themselves. This week was so serious that

I believe it will put a Repug in the WH in 2008.

Nancy and her crew are having another empty press conference right now on C-Span. Tinkling brass signifying nothing.

She's no leader. Explaining her vote doesn't cut it. She just said she voted no and others had to decide for themselves. That's a leader?

Forget about it.

Edit typo and to add:

OMG, I got a star again. Thank you, thank you, thank you, whoever you are!

[sampsonblk]

13. Dems snatched defeat from the jaws of victory

Bush and the GOP are in terrible shape. The public doesn't trust them. If they were all up for election the same year, we'd have a majority the size of California.

We can stand up to them now. Nothing to fear. Time to get over the irrational fears and take care of the people's business.

[bryant69]

14. Seems like it worked

If that was the strategy.

Pity they can't capitalize on it with all the other scandals floating around.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[mmonk]

18. Nope.

Democrats that voted with the republicans set us up for defeat.

[Kashka-Kat]

21. Already divided - neo cons can be democrats too ya know

[WA98296]

22. Our elected "dems" are in reality republicans, JUST SEE HOW THEY VOTE.

[Johonny]

24. well yeah

On the other hand it was the Dems Strategy to keep the war in the center of the news. For the most part round one has gone to the Dems. The President has talked War 24/7 for over a month. Having to dig DEEP to explain why this turkey is still going. He is hugely unpopular. Anyone who thought this congress with this number of robotic republican representatives could in 1 month vote down the war was dreaming. This is the start of the process. The Dems got to keep hammering at the war, and keep it in the minds of Americans. That's how they win.

[MuseRider]

26. "That's how they win."

If that is more important to you then I guess you feel OK about this.

How about instead of "hammering at the war" we just get the hell out of there? How about saving lives before political positions?

I totally understand the politics of this. I understand but think it is reprehensible. How must the parents of these kids, the kids of these kids, the families of these kids feel about this slow, politically beneficial "hammering at the war"?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

31. When are you going to realize that winning means ending the war?

REPUBLICANS WILL CONTINUE THE WAR AD INFINITUM UNLESS WE REMOVE THE POWER THEY HAVE!

What part of this do you not understand? You act as if politics can be just completely removed from the situation so we can create this absurd nirvana where only the good and righteous actions are taken, but you can't. It's impossible. In the entire course of human history, it has NEVER BEEN POSSIBLE.

I've got one better for you - those military families you talk about voted overwhelmingly in favor of George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004. When we argued that voting against Bush would be supporting the troops, they retorted that YOU were providing aid and comfort to the enemy. When we urged them to get their sons and daughters, fathers and mothers out of harms way, they said you hated America.

So while you blather on and on about they feel, remember that they spat in your face and voted for the very person that put them in harms' way in the first place, and the very person, THE ONLY PERSON TRULY RESPONSIBLE for keeping them in harms' way now.

[MuseRider]

So?

So they voted for Bush**. That means I can have no empathy for them? They still hurt when their loved one dies. So what if they call me names? I could care less. I try not to resort to that myself but understand that others feel that they must make themselves feel better by making others seem less good. So the fuck what?

When am I going to understand? Well the day I start to understand that political benefits outweigh the need to stop the death is the day that I hope someone shoots me.

So we are supposed to wait until a Dem is inaugurated to end this? Are you certain that will happen even if we wait that long? I am not so sure. It depends on who gets elected and who financed their campaign. Are they beholden to oil? Are they beholden to the military industrial complex? Most of them are sure as hell not beholden to us and after this disgusting display of cowardice or political one upmanship they sure as hell are going to have a lot less of us to even consider being beholden to.

You can call me naive and you can call what I write blathering all you want. It matters not to me at all. I will never ever ever understand politics over killing. I think they had a chance to really create change and get the masses on their side but they chickened out.

[tjwash]

25. The cons have had the house for 12 stinking years.

And everyone expects the mess all of that has caused to be cleaned up in 6 months.

[L. Coyote]

28. Remember Nixon, Watergate, and Vietnam. Students killed, millions protesting

while "I'm not a crook" illegally and covertly invaded other countries. When a US President usurps power, we really discover the power of the US Executive branch and the difficulty of restoring rule of law and the Constitution.

The framers may have niavely overlooked the "I'm not a crook" factor in making the Executive so entrenched with a 4 year term, and only impeachment as a recourse. How could they know that "Culture of Corruption" politics would overtake a political party?

[leftofthedial]

29. The "democrats" have voted against my interests

consistently since the mid-90's.

They didn't need help from the repukes.

[DU GrovelBot]

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