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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 10:50 AM
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The Final Insult: Dems Brag to Press About Deceiving the Public on Iraq
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/7689

The Final Insult: Dems Brag to Press About Deceiving the Public on Iraq
by David Sirota | May 25 2007

In case you believe the malarkey being spewed by the House Rules Committee about the rule vote yesterday not really being the vote to give President Bush a blank check, take a look at the Washington Post and the Associated Press today. I reported this at the beginning of the day yesterday and was then criticized by House Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY). Now, though, it seems at least some major news organizations have caught on that I was exactly right. In the process, they are reporting what will be recorded in history as the final insult of it all: Democrats running to reporters bragging about their own brilliance in deceiving the public.

Here's the Associated Press:

"In a highly unusual maneuver, House Democratic leaders crafted a procedure that allowed their rank and file to oppose money for the war, then step aside so Republicans could advance it."


Here's the Washington Post:

"Yesterday's vote to fund the war through September was a historical rarity: the passage of a bill opposed by the speaker of the House and a majority of the speaker's party. Two years ago to the day, then-Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) violated the "Hastert rule" -- that only bills supported by a majority of the majority can come up -- by bringing up legislation to allow federal funding for stem cell research. The majority of the Republican majority opposed the law. He voted against it, but he knew it would never become law over President Bush's signature...The North American Free Trade Agreement passed in 1993, over the objections of most Democrats, who were then in the majority. But NAFTA did have the support of then-Speaker Thomas S. Foley (D-Wash.), as well as the Democratic president, Bill Clinton. In contrast, the Iraq funding bill was not only opposed by the majority of House Democrats, it was also ardently opposed by the speaker and even the lawmaker who drafted it, Appropriations Committee Chairman David R. Obey (D-Wis.). And it is destined to become law. 'To have the chairman and the speaker vote against a bill like this, I've never heard of it,' Hastert said."


And here's the worst part of it all - Democrats are now bragging about it. Not only have they sent out a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee fundraising email attempting to confuse voters by claiming with a straight face that they really stood up to President Bush. But most insulting of all, they are actually running to reporters to pat themselves on the back for engineering a procedural pirouette designed to confuse the public. Here's the Post again:

"But while protesters outside the Capitol condemned what they saw as a capitulation, Democrats inside were remarkably understanding of their speaker's contortions. Party leaders jury-rigged the votes yesterday to give all Democrats something to brag about...Democrats saw brilliance in the legerdemain. And with such contortions came more appreciation for the efforts Pelosi was making to fund the war in a fashion most palatable to angry Democrats. 'It was the responsible thing to do, and she's a responsible speaker,' said Rep. Anna G. Eshoo (D-Calif.)."


This is what we're dealing with folks. A party that runs to the press to brag about the brilliance of using their majority not to end the war, but to create a situation that makes it seem as if they oppose the war, while actually helping Republicans continue it.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 10:55 AM
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1. Yes. Even I could see through the procedural circus.
Edited on Fri May-25-07 10:55 AM by mmonk
Essentially vote trading and give people a liitle prize here or there to show they are really representing the majority of their constituents. The problem is many constituents never took the bait. Hence they felt the need to send out emails.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:00 AM
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2. AP sends out an article picked up far and wide "Democrats bend over for Bush"
Dems inside the halls of Congress see a much different world than the real one in which their voters live.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:02 AM
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3. what a ridiculous interpretation by the story he relies on for his tirade (Jonathan Weisman)
It's Jonathan Weisman who's claiming that there was "something for Democrats to 'brag' about." All that was done was to make it possible to get the minimum wage provision voted on with the bill.

Sirota is bending over backwards to find ways to kick Democrats around. He doesn't like the fact that the bill was advanced but he doesn't have any evidence at all to back up his claim that Democrats are bragging they 'fooled' someone.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:07 AM
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4. You may not like Sirota and you may want to defend the Dems; I don't
feel particularly sympathetic to them at this point. Here's a DCCC e-mail that's putting that lipstick on this pig of a bill. Pray tell, who's spinning what? And you don't have to answer, and we don't have to agree.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=965208
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:32 AM
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5. I don't disagree with what they claimed, maybe not to the degree that they think it's important
but the objections of Sirota just track with his interpretation of the bill as so critical to ending or continuing the occupation and his sour grapes over losing. He needs to move on and stop pretending like the vote for the supplemental means those Democratic members are against ending the occupation. They just don't agree that holding up the funding would have caused Bush to end the occupation like Sirota and others do.

In fact, most of those Democrats who voted for the supplemental without the timetable also woted for the same bill with an exit date included. It's not like they are against ending the occupation as Sirota wants to claim they are, it just that they didn't think holding up the funding would effect all of that.

All of the rhetoric about 'putting lipstick on a pig' seems to intend to ignore the provisions in the bill which mandate accountability just because they don't move Bush to end the occupation. But, then, neither did holding back passage of one supplemental.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:33 AM
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6. bullshit! Pure bullshit!
:mad:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:06 PM
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7. I don't know what to say.
There's good, there's bad, there's evil, and now there seems to be politics.

We need to tackle that monster called politics. Nail it down, once and for all. Politics does not give people a free ride from ethical or moral behavior. And it certainly should give any politician an escape from being held accountable by their constituents.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:46 PM
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8. As ugly as this is.....
Sometimes what we ask for is not what we get.

Wanting the dems to get mean?

To show some backbone?

This is the game of politics in its modern day nastiest, most manipulative form.
Most of the time how they will vote is decided behind the scenes, and the lobbyists are in on those deals.
It's old style cash trading crooked politics legitimized. They aren't paying them, but lobbyists carry electoral funding potential.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 01:57 PM
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9. ...
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 06:20 PM
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10. Um...judging by the tenor...
...of the threads here, on some of the other blogs which I frequent, and the comments on the articles in the WaPo, I don't think that the public is falling for it.
In fact, I think they...WE...see right through the self-serving, self-protecting attempts at ass covering to spin this and are EXTREMEMLY pissed off. Not to put too fine a point on it...

Just my impression, you understand.
(do I really need to use the :sarcasm: ?)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:26 AM
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11. K*R. Here's the answer to all that cleverness; intramural circle...
Edited on Sat May-26-07 12:29 AM by autorank
Do you APPROVE or DISAPPROVE of Bush's handling of Iraq?


PollingReport.Com
http://pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:31 AM
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12. Dems: 4% Approve-93% Disapprove. Indy's: 19% Approve-77% Disapprove n/t
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 02:10 AM
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13. Dang -- smirk is getting close to only having half the R's
Even the pathetic wretches that are still willing put an R by their name are getting sick of this scumbag.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 02:12 AM
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14. Cool isn't it, so what are we waiting for (not you and me;)

I like the bat, very direct, just like we should be.

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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 06:29 AM
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15. Sirota's gotta get over this...
I really like David and appreciate his writing and agree with him about 99.9% of the time. But I don't believe in continuing to bash the Democrats over their capitulation to Bush on this funding bill. Reality caused these events to occur and I always have believed Democrats are the party of reason and reality. Let's use our reason to put the anger behind us and go back to work doing what's best for America. And bashing down Democrats from within, isn't what's best for America.

As I responded in two posts yesterday to Sirota articles, our Democratic leadership in Congress, followed the will of the American people, almost exactly in this war funding debate. Approximately 70% of Americans favored time lines based on benchmarks for troop withdrawals from Iraq. The Democrats passed such a bill. Unfortunately, Bush disagreed with Americans and vetoed this bill.

The alternative when we couldn't override the Bush veto, was to pass no war funding bill at all, or pass a war funding bill that Bush would agree with. The American public disagreed with defunding the troops by passing no funding bill, with only 30% supporting this option. So our leadership wasn't able to whip the party behind that course, in opposition to the will of the people.

What was left was getting what we could out of giving Bush what he wanted. And our leadership did an artful parliamentary job of doing exactly that. And allowing Democrats to go on record supporting what they wanted and opposing the war funding. It forced Republicans to vote for and pass the war funding, placing the blame accurately on the Republicans, who have blocked the Democratic solution to this war. And as a bonus, we got Republicans to agree to our Minimum Wage bill they've been blocking for 5 months and would have likely continued to block for another year and a half. Plus we got funding for Katrina victims, funding for wounded soldiers and veterans, and a few other pet projects, all stuff the Republicans would have likely blocked if it wasn't attached to this bill.

I don't like how things worked out. But if you are going to have to make a shit souffle, make the best one you can. And that's what Reid/Pelosi et al did. And if Sirota persists with his poison pen, he's going to end up hurting our chances of getting out of Iraq by fall, by weakening his own party from within. Like it or not, the Democrats are the only game in town, if your aim is to get our soldiers out of Iraq and end this war. Suck it up, get over the anger, and get with the team.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:24 AM
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16. Just How Many People Are You Going To Tell To "Get Over It"
before you realize that you, and apologists like you, are in the minority, and really ought to think about getting over your own hangups, first?
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:40 AM
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19. . nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:37 AM
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17. Yeah well fuck that I say! Fuck that.
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:37 AM
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18. People are dying and...
Polemicyst is telling them to "get over it"! "The reality of it is..." What crap. No one is fooled by the spin and very few of us are going to "get over it." Purely and simply, decency, common sense, and integrity are anathema to politicians. WE, THE PEOPLE have to keep the pressure on the pols to end U.S. involvement in Iraq.
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:41 AM
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20. I still haven't gotten over Alito, but carry on Don Quixote! n/t
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:43 AM
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21. "get over it" - stand at their graves and tell that to the many thousands of dead!
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:45 AM
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22. mmm.. no, not getting over it. sorry.
mmm, no not sorry either.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:46 AM
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23. "Get over it" is what a rapist tells his victim, isn't it?
It seems like every time I hear "get over it" it's coming from somebody who either has or is apologizing for someone who has fucked over somebody else. Like Republicans after the 2000 Florida election fraud.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:08 AM
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25. wish I could recommend this post
a perfect analogy.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:13 PM
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27. shit souffle? people are dying, by the hundreds each day
and you call it a shit souffle. Party politics is the problem. Both sides are corrupt. And the dems are not the only game in town. Maybe the only civilized game left but if you idiots let bushit continue there's gonna be bigger problems in this country than who votes for whom.
suck it up. fuck you party person.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:18 PM
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28. "Suck it up! Get over it!"
No.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:54 AM
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24. Ok, someone help me......
I'm not awake yet. Could someone break this down cause I'm not following.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:06 PM
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26. just republislut lights, thats all the demosluts are
double the number of troops now going to happen - all the money bushit needs to invade iran - wow, please, let me step up and donate to your effective party. Never ever, not ever will I give money to another dem.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 08:59 AM
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29. I understand the anger in the 9 responses above...
I too was very angry when I first learned of the capitulation of the Democratically controlled Congress and their full unfettered funding of this Iraq War supplemental. But reason must overcome anger if we are going to be successful at ending this war. And I want to end the war just as badly as anyone who responded in disagreement to my post above.

Reason tells me the only way to end this war is working within the current Democratic Majority in Congress. Whether I agree or disagree with their current political choice in this latest situation. And I see no benefit in attacking and weakening our only chance to prevail in this battle.

If you must lash out, do so constructively. Aim at the particular Democrats who refused to back our party leaders and forced this capitulation. Aim at the DLC Democrats, the Blue Dog Democrats, the Liebercrats and of course at the Republicans who opposed us every step of the way. Reason and reality tell me these people are to blame for the failure of our effort, not the entire Democratic Party and not the leadership of the Democratic Party. I certainly can't fault the tireless efforts of the Progressive Caucus and the Get out of Iraq Caucus. These are Democrats as well.

We have much important to accomplish politically, other than ending this war. We won't be successful if we splinter in anger. Being united in the face of adversity will bring us the ultimate victory. And our only hope of success is working within and supporting the Democratic Party. We tried dating the Greens in 2000 and that's what got us this President and this war. It was the wrong course then and the wrong course now. And I'm confident that over time, most here will also come to that conclusion.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh with the "get over it remark". For that I apologize for lacking sensitivity. I will endeavor to chose my words more wisely in the future.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 04:16 PM
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30. I support CINDY
:kick: for the sig and peace
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 04:24 PM
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31. Clearly
only voting Republican in 08 will solve this type of thing.
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