Waaah! I'm leaving the Democratic Party!

[txaslftist]

Seriously, though, I think I am.

After this last capitulation, I'm embarrassed by them. Not that my district will be represented by a Democrat any time soon (barring a major pedophilia scandal involving our congressman, and he looks the type...). You don't get much redder than Lubbock Texas. The folks here WANT the presidential library (both books), even though it will cost each taxpaying family around $2k.

That said, the Democrats have screwed the pooch so bad recently, with Nancy Pelosi stripping language from a bill that would have required the Pres to seek authorization from congress before attacking Iran and then this horrible capitulation on funding...

I mean, what did we send them to congress for in 2006? To lose a staring contest with the five year old commander in chief?

They've got no nuts at all. If I'm going to cast a protest vote (which as a matter of course all my Lubbock votes are), I might as well vote Libertarian. Most Libertarian candidates oppose the war, at least. The Democrats don't.

Oh, they say they do, sometimes, in front of the right crowd, but look at what they do, not what they say. Bush wanted his blank check and he got it. They squealed and squeaked and did nothing.

How embarrassing.

[acmavm]

1. A lot of people are wondering where to turn. I wish that Howard

Dean with break from the entrenched corporatists in the DLC and we could run a 'NEW' Democratic Party candidate.

[itsrobert]

2. You aren't leaving the Democratic Party

The Democratic Party left you with cowards such as Republican Lites' Clinton and Obama.

[bigtree]

3. The majority of Democrats are still strongly in favor of an exit date in legislation,

and the majority, or a veto-busting margin of republicans are not. That's the balance right now. Walking away from it all won't accomplish anything and would be in contradiction to your angst over achieving your ends. The vast majority of our party is still committed to ending the occupation whether they felt holding back the supplemental was the best way to achieve that or not.

so stop your frickin crying

[txaslftist]

20. Funny. They don't vote that way.

That's what they SAY, sure. But that ain't how they vote.

Nobody forced them to put up a supplemental. Nobody forced them to do anything other than resubmit the same bill they'd already submitted and struggled to pass. Nobody forced them to change the language.

They could have had every US soldier home inside of six months.

But that ain't how they voted, was it?

So sure, a "majority of the party" is committed to ending the occupation. But a majority of our party's representatives are not. The Democratic Party is a great political party, and a million times better than the elephant party. But our leaders screwed the pooch here, and even more importantly (in my view) on the Iran question (which had nothing to do with funds).

Why should I send them a check or push a button for them? Because the alternative is worse? I know that. But where I live I get the alternative no matter how I vote.

[bigtree]

23. Damned if they didn't

The majority of legislators who voted for the supplemental without timelines also voted for one which contained timelines. They haven't forfeited or abandoned that commitment to timelines just because they let one supplemental bill which FAILED to advance timelines pass without them included. There will be other votes on timelines and the majority of Democrats will still be for them.

[txaslftist]

26. And they won't pass.

And the next ones without timelines will. Because the idiot-in-chief is smart enough to figure out that if it worked once, it will work a second time.

And the Democrats will, again, vote for what he demands, because he can hold his breath longer than they can.

[bigtree]

27. so you say

tissue?

[txaslftist]

35. No thanks. But these folks might could use one.

http://www.currentstateofaffairs.org/Iraq.html#coffins

[bigtree]

37. as if you, in your opposition to the funding bill, cared any more about those folks

than legislators who voted for money which intends to support them in their deployment.

How about not exploiting the images of the coffins of those dead servicemembers just to make your argument here? I was addressing your own cry for help.

[txaslftist]

44. This is really elementary math.

The more money, the longer the war, the more casualties, the more tears, the more tissues needed.

And if my "exploiting" the images of dead soldiers makes it even remotely possible that there will be fewer of them in the long run, then I will do so.

[bigtree]

50. the 'war' will end when enough legislators come forward to end it

not by holding back supplemental spending bills and hoping Bush will notice or care about the effects on the forces enough to withdraw.

Simple math? It takes one man, Bush, to end the occupation.

It takes a veto-proof majority of legislators to vote for an end date. After that vote the troops come home, money and all.

[kikiek]

56. I agree with you 100 pct. I actually feel like they have him cornered. He can crow all he wants, but

he knows his support from Repugs up for reelection is all but gone. I am also pleased he was forced to sign legislation he would have vetoed otherwise.

[Johonny]

4. Well I'm independent

But I generally vote Dem on the state and federal level. I could never vote Libertarian, but then again I think even more Libertarians don't understand the Libertarian true platform. The word these days seems to mean "not Democrat or Republican".

[ClassWarrior]

5. Looks like they're not the only ones...

...with "no nuts at all."

NGU.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

6. I vote my conscience, not my party.

If there's nothing but bad choices, I leave it blank rather than accede to an evil I cannot approve of.

[NavyDavy]

40. then you live with the evil you get

[magellan]

42. We do anyway, at this rate

[txaslftist]

45. With the Democrats we have that's already happening.

6 of 1, half dozen of the other.

[originalpckelly]

7. They're just a bunch of asses, they're not real Democrats.

That's the problem, they do anything just to get power. In places where we live and a Democrat is elected the liberal spiel works for them, in other areas the politicians have to use the conservative spiel. None of them really believe it, they just want power.

[txaslftist]

21. This, I think, is the problem.

[lies and propaganda]

8. might as well vote Lib, who needs social programs anyway..

Or any facet of healthcare, or a kindergarten I dont have to pay 20k a year for..

Yeah lets vote Libertarian, and Im sure Ron Paul is OUR guy..

When you area SUPPOSED DEM and you will let 6th months of 'they havent done enough since elcted' make you jump shit and go to THAT party, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

your screenname makes me laugh.

[txaslftist]

30. You think cities can't take care of their own folks?

"Who needs social programs anyway?"

A better question might be why does Texas take orders from Washington on how to administer it's schools when the money from Washington is a pittance compared to what the schools get from Texas?

Or, "How much damage is a Libertarian going to do, really, to healthcare, school lunch programs or other such things; and is stopping the war worth accepting that harm?"

Since half of our federal budget is war-related, I think the answer is yes.

[Dhalgren]

9. Personally, I am considering the Socialist Party USA. They are

pretty much in line with my ideals and beliefs. And they need my money and effort more than big corporation parties do...

[NavyDavy]

10. go....give up....we may be better without all the whining....as i

suggested on another post, you can start your own site called "Iclaimtobeadembutiwillneverstandbehindthemiftheydontdo100%whatiwant"

[txaslftist]

24. You think?

You think being a cheerleader saying, "Oh! Go you big bad donkeys, you! No matter what you do, I'm loyal to the end!" is going to bring soldiers home when our leaders don't have the balls to do it? You think cheering "Go Nancy go!" helps, regardless of the fact that under AIPAC pressure she deliberately green lighted an attack on Iran by Bush serves the country? Or even the party?

"we may be better off without the whining" reminds me of the response the hard-core neocon GOP-no-matter-what crew said to the paleo-conservatives when they objected to the invasion of Iraq.

At this point I say screw the pro-war Republicans and the pro-war Democrats. I'll take an anti-war republican over a pro-war Democrat any day of the week, and I don't give a damn if he's pro-life or pro-choice or pro-gun or pro-school or home-school or any of that crap.

For me it's becoming crystal clear that the only issue my generation has before it is to end our slaughter of Iraqi families and children as soon as humanly possible.

[NavyDavy]

38. nobody is cheer-leading, however making threats about leaving

is cowardly....just go and stop giving the freepers ammo.....not going to please everyone all the time, period.....and the leadership definitely can't, apparently. they did get funding for social projects in the USA, which i a victor since Shrub said he would veto any bill with so called "pork" in it...

[txaslftist]

41. It ain't much of a "threat"

I thought I splained that. I live in Lubbock, Texas. It isn't the end of the world, but if you are in a tall enough building, you can see it from here.

Republicans routinely poll in the seventies and eighties here. With the exception of a few small Hispanic and progressive neighborhoods (like around the University) there are NO elected Democrats -allowed- around.

So my vote is a protest vote at best, and my party activity is quixotic (although I am active). I generally send money to the national party rather than waste it here.

A lot of us red-state refugees send money to candidates outside our areas because it is such a waste of money to do otherwise. So my leaving the party is not a drama queen deal, nor is it much of a threat. I highly doubt the Democratic Party is going to miss my $50.

As for the freepers getting "ammo". Shit, they're completely irrelevant anymore. The Democratic Party is poised to obtain veto-proof majorities in congress and the white house in 2008. We aren't talking survival anymore, we're talking about what kind of government we're going to have when the opposition packs its tents (and believe me, it's happening).

I don't want to be represented by a political party willing to allow Bush to start a war with Iran because then he'll "own it." Because that's bullshit. We will ALL own it. Just like we ALL own Iraq. You don't see any Republican Congressmen or White House staffers coming home in bags or with arms and legs blown off, do you?

As for the social programs, sheesh. You think I wouldn't give up the minimum wage (which just about no one works for anyway) in exchange for peace?

[NavyDavy]

46. well alot of people here in NM do wk for minimum wage and

they care

[quinnox]

11. so what

Another drama thread. You left out the cliche tidbit others always put in thse threads, "I have been a Dem since 1953 and voted Dem ever since then but this time I'm through"

The Dem party will do quite nicely without all the quitters.

[High Plains]

29. Like in 2000 and 2004?

[txaslftist]

32. Oh, I don't fear for the party's survival at all.

It's my son and daughters, who will be draft age in a few years, that I worry about.

I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy and Barack and the whole crew will do just fine no matter what happens to the rest of us.

[NavyDavy]

43. alot of these post are just like post i have seen from freeps and

cncern trolls.....which there are alot of them at du right now....

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Bye.

[BuyingThyme]

13. Bernie Ward (KGO) and Christine Craft (KSAC) have

been encouraging people to decline to state their affiliations in protest of Nancy's War.

[mmonk]

14. I keep mentioning the PDA.

It's a democratic party option to turn the tide.

[ClassWarrior]

16. I second that.

Thanks mmonk.

NGU.

[txaslftist]

34. What is the PDA?

[ClassWarrior]

36. Progressive Democrats of America. Link:

http://www.pdamerica.org

NGU.

[txaslftist]

39. Thanks much!

I see I have some reading to do.

[A wise Man]

15. Don't leave, just fix it

By voting for any democrat that runs against those that sold us out. No one is as pissed off as I am, so I'm voting to throw these bumbs out that voted for this bill and those that thought they were being smart by voting no after they'd already had the votes to pass, like Hillary , Pelosi, Obama and chicken shit Harry.

[TwilightGardener]

17. Me too! They didn't end the war in six months and take Chimpy to the Hague!

I'm voting Republican, because then we know the war will end soon, and there will be peace in the Middle East, and Halliburton and Blackwater will have to find other ways to make money, and all the obscene power that Chimpy grabbed for the Executive Branch will be relinquished, and they will appoint SCOTUS judges who will leave R v Wade intact, and they will not ever attempt to privatize Social Security, and they won't allow religious figures to sway national policy, and...what was I saying again?

[A wise Man]

18. Why would you vote rethug

They're worst than the Democrats? Have you forgotten what these idiots have done to this country for the last six years.

[txaslftist]

19. I think that was sarcasm designed to convey the message...

...that I don't have any other place to turn.

Which isn't true; or at least, in Lubbock, it isn't true. The Libertarians generally poll pretty close to the Democrats here, in the mid teens to low twenties. Here the dispute is over what shade of Republican you are. I mean, are you really really committed to hypocracy, endless war and maligning all things not Coulter approved, or do you just dabble in it like some socialist?

[Xenotime]

22. The blood is now on their hands too.

Shame on them.

[Bluebear]

25. The party humiliated their base, no question. nt

[question everything]

28. Don't let the door hit you in your back

and why post on this forum dedicated to the Democratic party?

Hope you enjoy Guiliani (if we are lucky) or Fred Thompson presidency when the Supreme Court is loaded with Scalias and Thomases.. when no one gives a damn about the middle class or about access to health care, when people have to work until they drop dead.

[txaslftist]

31. Maybe we should switch names.

You seem to be more of an unquestioning leftist and I seem to be questioning your sacred cow here.

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[ShortnFiery]

47. Thank Goodness that in Virginia we don't have to declare our Party.

I've quit the Democratic Party several times since these gutless-wonders we have parading around as Congressional Representatives were taken aback by mean ole' Senator Kennedy making Mrs. Alito cry ... ergo they were too chicken-shit to filibuster his confirmation.

When will these pink tutu losers catch on that THEY MUST at least TRY to change things by taking a stand? ... taking a moral stand EVEN IF it doesn't pan out - they MUST DO THE RIGHT THING. That action, more than anything else will ensure their re-election to Congress. But these dumb-a**es mistakenly think that they work for the Corporations and Political Elites who OWN the M$N.

They don't get it. :eyes:

IMPEACH NOW! <frustrated sigh>

[HardRocker05]

48. what you said, although i left emotionally a long time ago. the dems are squandering all the

political capital they gained in the 2006 election (which of course they only gained through massive republican incompetance and misadministration). many people are now having their memories refreshed as to what a useless bunch of spineless cowards the current bunch of dems is.

[madinmaryland]

49. Fuck the Libertarians.

Other than the war, they are basically republican who want to shrink government to nothing. (ala Grover Norquist)

[helderheid]

51. Run here first:

www.pdamerica.org

[BlooInBloo]

52. Bye.

[Mark Twain Girl]

53. I know a couple of people in your position -- I've heard almost that exact phrase

from one of them: "where I live, *every* vote is a protest vote, so why do I have to vote D?" In his case, I think it's more desperation for alternatives than being drawn to any other third party per se. Now that I think about it, most people I know are more anti-Bush and anti-right wing than Democrats, really. A complicated issue... I feel your pain.

[Redstone]

54. You live in LUBBOCK? Damn, you must be lonely. I salute you for hanging in there.

Redstone

[BlooInBloo]

58. Quitting now counts as hanging in there? christ.

[Redstone]

59. Thank you so much for your contribution.

Redstone

[The Backlash Cometh]

55. Come stand with me on the edge of the tent.

It's really cool and you can piss in *and* out of the tent.

[Geek_Girl]

57. I'm considering it too

Maybe someone else will run as an independent.