Until tonight, my wife was an Obama supporter

[Goldstein1984]

Now she is so angry that she's pacing and in tears, saying "Never again."

It's been a year since we agreed about Obama.

Another campaign promise broken.

[Skittles]

1. tell Mrs. Golstein1984 not to give up

NEVER GIVE UP

[alittlelark]

2. I was doing the same thing your wife was a few hours ago

I started making dinner and had a glass of wine.

I still feel the same way, but I stopped crying.

[laughingliberal]

3. Yes. Mr LL, too.

He's not been so happy with him before now but thought he would turn out OK in the end. Mr. LL's pretty even tempered and has been of the mindset that we need to give him a chance. Now, he's ranting and using bad words.

[Nite Owl]

6. Wow! n/t

[Nite Owl]

7. Opps, sorry

reply was to the post under yours!

[unapatriciated]

46. same scenario at my house.

Hubby hasn't agreed on a lot of things with this administration, the tax cuts was his line in the sand (my line was crossed with HCR and DADT). I'm the emotional one in the family, it takes a lot to upset my better half.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Alas this is what a few folks round these parts

cannot see. People feel betrayed. Hell I was at a coffee shop when this came though. and one person was watching on the puter, and started crying. Left to the car and took the bumper sticker off right there and then. I was like WOW!

[Goldstein1984]

8. I was sitting in my office...

and heard my coworkers celebrating. They're all Republicans.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. They probably do not understand how this little

tax vacation will accelerate the drop from world power.

[Goldstein1984]

14. They understand what puts money in their bank accounts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. In the very short term

lets see how this little thing goes with oh the debt ceiling "negotiations," er hostage taking. And if the Republicans decide to continue to be the party of NYET, if the USD stops effectively being the reserve currency... it will evaporate.

All this has definite consequences that it is not GOP, most Americans have no clue about.

[Goldstein1984]

35. Great article today on Alternet.com about the decline of empire

http://www.alternet.org/world/149080/4_scenarios_for_the_coming_collapse_of_the_american_empire/

To be predicted, it would have to be understood.

If decline of empires were understood, it could be prevented.

In my opinion, we're already at the state of a bully desperately trying to maintain influence as the bullied begin to push back.

A corrupt government serving the few at the expense of the many is both a cause and a symptom of decay.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. And that article is hopeful

my time line, depending on the debt ceiling...could be as early as next Spring.

[roguevalley]

41. i want to see what the pauls and the other nutoids do. frankly

I am done with this pres.

[Riley18]

11. My brother went right out and took his bumper sticker off

right then too. We were all fooled by a great big con.

[Nite Owl]

5. I'm sorry she had to go through this

I'm sorry we all do. He lost me totally with the health insurance fiasco. I think he probably lost a lot of people tonight.

[Goldstein1984]

9. Health insurance...

Secrecy...
Failure to investigate war crimes...
Afghanistan...
Due process...
Tax cuts for the wealthy...

I'm sure the list will keep growing.

[Change has come]

23. Allowing BP to control the U.S. Fucking Coast Guard...

Punting on DADT...

[Imagevision]

39. Allowing BP to control the U.S. Fucking Coast Guard...- AMEN!!!

[kath]

43. And then there's the bit where he can call for the assassination of an American citizen just on his

say-so.
Even Chimpyshit didn't go THAT far.

[Riley18]

10. This time the betrayal was so outrageous that we can no

longer continue to kid ourselves that things will ever get better for regular Americans. Once the president sold us out on this deal, there was nothing left. I suppose next they will take money from Social Security to pay for the welfare given to the rich. I am sick and tired of hearing how we all have to struggle and cut social programs when we are wasting millions of dollars on a few rich bastards.

[JamesA1102]

13. Tell that to the millions who now will not lose their unemployment benefits

And please tell us how you were personally sold out?

[Goldstein1984]

15. Obama lied about his position on tax cuts for the wealthy

He compromised his principles yet again.

Those who will continue to receive unemployment benefits are dwarfed in number by those who will be losing benefits even with this extension.

The biggest sellout wat that Obama, ONCE AGAIN, refused to go to battle for what he claimed to believe in. He's in over his head.

[JamesA1102]

18. No he didn't

but he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. He promised not to raise taxes on the middle class. If he let the tax cuts expire he would have broken that promise. At least with this compromise the issue can be revisited in 2 years.

[Goldstein1984]

28. I've been watching clips of his condemning tax cuts for the wealthy

Please don't engage in the Republican strategies of rewriting history and repeating something over and over until it's accepted as true.

Obama campaigned agaist excessive secrecy, and he betrayed that position.

He campaigned on the public option, and he betrayed that position.

He campaigned on ended tax cuts for the wealthy, and today he betrayed that position.

[JamesA1102]

31. He never campaigned on the public option

that is just not the truth. And he hasn't betrayed ending tax cuts for the wealthy, this is just an extention. They haven't been made permanent.

And since you're keeping score, according to PolitiFact he's not doing so bad keeping his campaign promises: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

[suffragette]

44. Yes, he did campaign on it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7300576&mesg_id=7307593

[JamesA1102]

59. No he didn't

Was it part of his healthcare plan during the campaign? Yes.

Did he campaign on it? NO.

[suffragette]

62. Parsing and spin all wrapped up in 2 brief sentences

Under your definition, any explanation or expansion of details on campaign items don't "count" as campaigning.
Got it. And lol.

No, not that easy to backtrack on what was clearly laid out during the campaign.

[JamesA1102]

67. There is a difference

You are just refusing to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit into the narrative that you're trying to sell.

[suffragette]

90. I don't have a store and I'm not selling a thing

But go ahead and make a personal accusation.
Much easier to do that than to address what Obama said and wrote.

He referred to the plan repeatedly and specifically.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

80. Uhhhhhh...

"Was it part of his healthcare plan during the campaign? Yes.

Did he campaign on it? NO."

:wow:

You've moved on from rose-colored glasses to full-on blinders. This one was resolved long ago by the playing of numerous clips of him telling us about the necessity of a public option during his campaign.

[JamesA1102]

88. Sorry if you don't apreciate nuance

He never made it a centerpiece of his campaign, it was just one element within a larger policy framework.

[saracat]

42. Crikey that is exactly the same excuse used when the WH dropped the Public Option!

And the same excuse they will use when they do NOT do anything about DADT. Thry are not going to "revisit" anything to do anything but make things worse.

[donco6]

50. And they really think it's going to work AGAIN?

I guess they really CAN'T give us any credit.

[Goblinmonger]

63. The Bush tax cuts

were NOT on the middle class.

[JamesA1102]

68. Some were nt

[Goblinmonger]

70. And it would have taken

the political equivalent of brain surgery to split them apart for a vote? We do still have control of both houses, you know.

[JamesA1102]

72. But don't have 60 votes in the Senate nt

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[Riley18]

16. The unemployment payments will not continue forever.

This tax gift to the rich will not create jobs. This was a major campaign promise that was broken without so much as a little compromise. I was personally sold out because I will be paying a greater percentage of my income in taxes than the rich will be paying. The money I pay in taxes will prevent my family from having even a small vacation this year. How many "vacations" will the rich be having this year?

Our country is borrowing more and more from China to try to compensate for the loss of tax income. How long do you really expect them to keep paying unemployment compensation? They said it will be extended for 13 months, but what happens after those months? This tax deal will keep us in the same dire circumstances that we are in now. Perhaps it is better where you live, but everyone I know is either laid off or is helping to support a family member who is unemployed. I personally am doing everything I can to help three people in my own family who are struggling to find jobs. This tax decision will cost us much more than just money.

[blueknight]

19. folks

we have elected george bush the third. IT IS, WHAT IT IS! fool me once...

[Riley18]

20. At least with george we knew we were screwed right off the bat.

This time it was supposed to be different.

[bobbolink]

58. It *was* different.

Some people are just now figuring out they were screwed, rather than knowing it "right off the bat".

[elehhhhna]

89. I prefer the name "Jebama"

[Angry Dragon]

21. Tell them also it does not apply to people that are 99ers

they get nothing..just new unemployed

[JamesA1102]

22. It wasn't broken since it is only an extention

for two years and as someone who has family members who are unemployed, would you really rather that they lose their unemployment?

[Riley18]

26. They want jobs that pay with benefits for their families.

Unemployment payments do not cover everything as it is only a percentage of the lost salary. Also, no benefits and no security. When you are unemployed for more than a year it takes a toll on you that only a real job will fix. This tax cut signifies a loss of hope for a more secure future, because as we have seen for the last 10 years of the tax cuts, there will not be jobs created out of this mess. So maybe a small unemployment check will keep coming in for a few more months, but that is not the same as a job.

[JamesA1102]

32. OK so you think the President can wave a magic wand and create jobs

Sounds to me like you're just looking for excuses to blame the President for all of your woes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Actually he could have

at one point....

read on the WPA and other JOBS programs.

The US needs to rebuilt quite a bit of it's infrastructure....

[JamesA1102]

55. But is that realistic to get something so expansive and expensive

passed in this environment.

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. He had one byte at the apple

and he blew it.

IT WAS that desperate.

Don't worry in this environment of Imperial decline things will get MUCH, and I mean this MUCH WORST.

[Little Star]

64. +1

[unapatriciated]

47. no, but the $$$ from those undeserved and definitely not needed tax cuts will.

We have infrastructure in need of repair and the need to create alternative energy sources, a portion of those $$ could be used for that, creating jobs.

Do you seriously believe extending those tax cuts will create jobs......hasn't worked yet. UI benefits should not have been included, we should not have allowed this to be used as a bargaining chip with the R's. This administration and our Reps. should have learned by now that the republican party has no intention of fair negations. They should have kept UI benefits separate and hammered everyday how the R's were blocking them. We have to stop with the short term solutions and concentrate on long term.

[JamesA1102]

56. But that is how deals are made in congress

And the unemployment benefits and the middle class tax cuts will help stimulate the economy.

[unapatriciated]

65. that's a short term band aid and does not solve our problem

[JamesA1102]

66. And that is true of how government works most of the time.

A lot of short term band-aids.

[unapatriciated]

74. and that is why we are in this fix, it's a never ending circle with no end.

The problem with using a band aid when a tourniquet is needed, you will eventually bleed out and die. We are hemorrhaging so band aids are no longer working.

[JamesA1102]

81. So what is you're brilliant solution? nt

[unapatriciated]

83. how about letting them expire and separate UI benefits from this dialog..

If we separate these issues and really hammer the R's for not supporting UI extension we might actually get them, but we haven't even really tried that. To extend these tax cuts will not help create jobs which is what we need. They haven't accomplished that in nine years and we are going to extend them for two more. Just Listened to Obama's press conference and I'm weary of being called a purist and selfish, so your snark is equally not appreciated and I will end this conversation.

[JamesA1102]

85. So play a political game while the unemployed starve?

Nice compassionate solution.

[donco6]

51. Starting up another "free trade" agreement with Korea isn't going to do it.

No one's mentioned a "magic wand" but you and those like you.

[JamesA1102]

57. And I never said that the trade agreement with Korea would

I was asking how he thought the President can create jobs.

[dflprincess]

25. And note the extension of the tax cuts go for two years -

and will be an issue in the 2012 election (when he will no doubt once again tell us how he's opposed to extending them for the wealthy).


The unemployment extension only lasts 13 months.

[JamesA1102]

33. Would you prefer not unemployment extention? nt

[dflprincess]

76. I would prefer that the time periods be equal

as it stands the Republicans got a much better deal for the wealthy.

[Change has come]

24. Why the sudden concern for the unemployed?

Where is the help for the 4 million already left in the dark?

[Riley18]

27. I have a brother who has no source of income whatever.

Every single day he applies wherever he can, but no job yet. Nobody cares and it will only get worse.

[JamesA1102]

34. Well this will help 6.6 million unemployed

Do you think that is a bad thing?

[Robbien]

54. Helping the unemployed had nothing to do with cutting social security and handouts to the rich

Obama declaring he will only help the unemployed if his rich buddies get their billion dollar handouts and social security is cut is odious.

[JamesA1102]

69. Social Security is not being cut

You're totally misrepresenting the deal.

[Robbien]

79. When social security funding is cut, as is proposed by this bill

what do you expect is going to happen to social security payouts?

[Greyhound]

36. He burned the last shred of credibility he had for a temporary crumb that will be gone

before the next cycle.

What a freaking master chess move.

Oh and to his three remaining apologists, "we told you so".

[Lorien]

45. Who tied unemployment benefits to tax cuts anyway?

And WHICH party is "in charge" right now? Obama is giving us exactly what HE wants.

[donco6]

52. +1

What an idiotic move that was. More than idiotic - IMMORAL!

[Occulus]

53. Obama lied about being a "fierce advocate" for GLBTs and stabbed us in the back on day one.

Literally day one.

[krabigirl]

29. Just curious, was it due to not taxing the rich, or his record on civil liberties that did it?

Just curious :)

[Jester Messiah]

30. I'm so done with this guy.

The sense of betrayal is acute.

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[progressoid]

48. The same for my wife too!

She tried to find some sort of rational with the benefits extension "compromise". But in the end said, "This really sucks".

It's a sad day.

[Vinca]

49. This morning I turned on MSNBC just in time to hear Joe Scarborough

crowing about how they didn't even get this much from Clinton. I wanted to puke.

[TARAmisu80]

60. Your wife may NOT agree with Obama...

But look at the opposition?? If I didn't agree with Obama, I'd still not say "never again"... afterall, if she hadn't voted Obama, we could've been stuck with Palin, as she IS/WAS the one who totally controlled the Republicans hand! Palin would have put your wife into tears within the first month of her being in office! Id gladly take Obama over the opposition! Think of it this way- we're getting the republicans used to the way things SHOULD be done- where it is equal for all who work their butts off for their family in this country- so we can once again be the victors in 2012!

[renate]

71. welcome to DU!

It's a... dramatic time to join DU--there didn't always use to be so much gnashing of teeth and rending of garments--but I'm glad you're here! And I love and applaud your positive attitude! It's needed right now. :hug:

[blindpig]

78. Yes, of course, winning is so rewarding. n/t

[Scurrilous]

61. Your wife is so wise.

:hug: :grouphug: :hug:

[Jakes Progress]

77. Killing off support - one voter at a time.

But the rate is increasing.

[SaveAmerica]

82. 2014 and now this and Kerry was defending the 2014 decision this weekend

When I think of the time I gave these guys.

[Agent William]

84. You sir, have an epic screen name...

Sorry I have nothing more to add.



:-)

[Bucky]

86. I'm not there yet. But my support is getting soft.

[Mike Nelson]

87. President Obama should call Bush a criminal and let the...

"Bush Tax Cuts" (media beining the glorification of Bush) die,
remind the public of his crimes,
and continue with the "Obama Tax Cuts"

We are WAITING, Mr. President...

[TfG]

91. My disappointment in Obama has been steadily increasing

since the healthcare "reform" bill. I have tried and tried to find reasons to still believe in him but I just can't do it anymore.

He had the perfect opportunity to address the Bush tax cuts before the midterms. Republicans had not yet won in large numbers, thus they weren't able to flaunt their victory at that time. But, Obama once again failed to take a stand on something he supposedly felt strongly about. It makes me wonder if he was really ever against letting the tax cuts expire for the wealthy. This was the final straw for me as well. And I voted for him and strongly supported him in the beginning.

I'm getting to the point where there doesn't seem to be much difference in either party. Of course, each party may fight for different things, but ultimately, it just seems like one big business party.