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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:00 AM
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Tax Deal Shows The Folly Of The Stay-At-Homers/Latinos for Reform "Progressives"
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 12:05 AM by TomCADem
There was a large number of folks who proudly bragged about how they were liberal and disappointed, and would stay at home in the 2010 election to teach Democrats a lesson. Heck, in Nevada, these folks even ran commercials as a PAC Latinos for Reform advocating that Hispanics stay at home in the 2010 election and not support Democrats in order to teach Democrats a lesson for failing to pass comprehensive immigration reform:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20020037-503544.html


The Nevada Democratic Party is lashing out at a conservative Hispanic group over an ad the group is launching that urges Latinos -- a critical Democratic voting bloc in the state -- to stay home on Election Day.

The group Latinos for Reform is launching a 60-second ad today in Nevada. The spot urges Latinos to abstain from voting in order to punish Democrats for failing to deliver on immigration reform.

"Don't vote this November. This is the only way to send them a clear message," a narrator says in the ad. "You can no longer take us for granted."

The ad will air in Spanish on Univision, according to Politico. (An English-language version is posted above.) It features, among other Democrats, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who is in a tight and nasty Nevada Senate race against conservative Republican Sharron Angle.



Yet, once again, on DU I see people pushing the corporate funded narrative of staying at home to punish Democrats for not being liberal enough. Yeah, like that worked out well in 2010!

It is almost laughable that this meme continues to have traction. When the Republicans got their asses handed to them in 2008, the right wingers were backed by the corporate media to create the Tea Party as means of motivating the right.

Conversely, the corporate media happily pushes the meme of dispirited liberals while ignoring Health Care Reform, the withdrawal from Iraq, Financial Reform, the Stimulus, etc., as evidence of the fact that President Obama has been among the most progressive Presidents in the past few decades.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:04 AM
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1. Some don't care about anything........
They just pretend to.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:10 AM
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3. Delete
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 12:11 AM by TomCADem
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:10 AM
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4. Delete
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 12:11 AM by TomCADem
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:10 AM
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5. Ever Wonder How Obama Can Be Seen As Both A Corporatist and A Communist?
With some on the "left" pushing the meme that he is no different than Bush and some on the right pushing the meme that is no different than Hugo Chavez?

This dichotomy is only possible with today's corporate media that pushes attacks from both the left and right to weaken President Obama. Heck, as Latinos for Reform shows, some of these attacks from the "left" are actually funded by the right.

The most notable common theme of these corporate media attacks, particularly those coming from the so-called left, is how they give Republicans a free pass.

Thus, you have complaints about President Obama not being aggressive enough on DADT, which completely give John McCain a free pass for saying that he would defer to the Pentagon, then flip flopping and saying that he disagrees with the Pentagon's report.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:14 AM
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7. we're so lazy as a party, we don't even think calling or writing to Republicans
is something that we do.

So when Republicans say...."The American people want this and that".....
as far as they are concerned, they are correct, cause the only people
they hear from are other Republicans.

We suck at activism.
We just demand that we get what we demand,
and when we don't, we get even madder.

I'm starting to think that we are the cowards and the weak.....
cause nothing is as weak as doing nothing, and pretending meanwhile
to know everything.

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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:51 PM
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15. I think it was Bill Clinton that said it is better to be strong and wrong than weak and right
That seems to be the truth at least in politics...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:22 AM
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19. "Some" don't bother to fact check before they write OPs
or buy into them. They just pretend to.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:07 AM
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2. Tax Cut Deal shows Folly of Electing a Gutless Wonder.
The 2010 election has nothing to do with Obama's hidden balls.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:56 AM
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12. Giving the GOP a free pass?
The Democrats and President Obama supported letting tax cuts for the rich expire. This legislation passed the House and was approved by most Senate Democrats and supported by President Obama. Yet, it was filibustered by the Republicans, and you give them a free pass and blame President Obama?
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:02 PM
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13. When the chain breaks, you blame the weakest link. n/t
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:46 PM
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14. And give Republicans a free pass? Many GOP Apologists...
Who would have us attack the most progressive President in decades. Interesting.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:57 PM
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16. The man in the oval office now is hardly a progressive. n/t
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:18 AM
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17. He Is The Most Progressive President In Decades, Contrary To The Media Trying ...
...to simultaneously paint him as a communist as a corporatist.

Your posts ignore the fact that President Obama has strongly supported allowing Bush-era tax cuts for income of $250,000 or less for families and $200,000 for individuals to expire and most Democrats supported this. I see that you don't mention this. I also see that you don't mention the Republicans who voted as a block against this.

Here are the facts as to who voted for what. I'll take them over your anti-Democratic rhetoric:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/12/tax-cut-extensions-fall-short.html?wprss=44%3f



Two Senate bills that would have extended the Bush-era tax cuts for all but the wealthiest earners failed to reach the Senate floor in a rare Saturday morning session, a mostly symbolic exercise that underscores concerns about the weak economy.

The first measure, which was proposed by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and would have extended the Bush-era tax cuts for income of $250,000 or less for families and $200,000 for individuals, failed by a 53 to 36 vote. Four Democrats -- Sens. Russ Feingold (Wis.), Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Jim Webb (Va.) -- as well as Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) joined Republicans in opposing the bill.

The second measure, which was sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and would have extended the cuts for income under $1 million for families, failed by a 53 to 37 vote. Feingold and Lieberman opposed the measure, as did Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin (Ill.), Tom Harkin (Iowa) and Jay Rockefeller (W.Va.).


Ten Republican senators were not present for the votes; Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) did not vote on the first measure but voted against the second.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:13 AM
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6. The right got at least lip service, as you point out in your comment about the Tea Party..
The left on the other hand was told how their ideas were retarded and they should be drug tested, not exactly what most people would call a stroke of motivational genius.

The Republicans pander to their most passionate base at least with lip service, the Democrats on the other hand go out of their way to insult and denigrate those who should be their strongest supporters, it's such a common phenomenon now that there is a shorthand term for it.. "Hippie Punching"..

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Write Left Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:18 AM
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8. Umm... Being that Democrats still hold the White House and both houses of Congress,
didn't you just demonstrate the folly of your own thesis?
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:20 AM
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9. +1
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:51 AM
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11. Roll Call Shows Vast Majority Of Democrats
Voted for letting the tax cuts for the rich expire and Obama supported this. Yet, we give Republicans a free pass. Do you think we'd get a better deal for the unemployed with a Republican House?
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:20 AM
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10. it's a tough situation
vote for the democrats and get screwed because if you don't vote for the democrats the gop will win and you'll get screwed.

that ain't really working for me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:21 AM
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18. I don't know why you push this crap about Latinos.
That wasn't a group, that was one guy who is a right wing PR flak and it seems to me, you knew that at one point because you and I talked about his next incarnation, that dumb assed Tequila Party bs.


And, as a matter of fact, LATINO voters turned out very nicely and even swung us a few races.

Your premise is wrong.


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