Have we crossed the Rubicon?

[me b zola]

Crossing the Rubicon is a metaphor for deliberately proceeding past a point of no return. Under the Roman Republic the river Rubicon marked the border of Italia, and generals were forbidden from crossing it with their troops. This law was broken in 49 BC when Julius Caesar led his legions across the river to march on Rome itself, igniting a civil war that would ultimately result in the end of the Republic. As he did so Caesar is reported to have said "alea iacta est" ("the die is cast").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Rubicon_(disambiguation)

[mmonk]

1. A while back.

[villager]

2. Which Rubicon do you reckon we've crossed?

We have climate Rubicons, economic ones, though now, with the Western "democracies" responding to Wikileaks, we have a Rubicon of stripping way even the illusion of living in a "free" society...

[me b zola]

4. I think that they are all linked. n/t

[GliderGuider]

+1 Indeed they are.

Climate, economy, ecology, energy, social complexity, the consolidation of hierarchic power - all tributaries of the Great Rubicon of humanity.

I could even make a case that we crossed the Rubicon 10,000 years ago with the development of agriculture...

[Speck Tater]

3. And there were sharks under the bridge so we jumped the shark at the same time. nt

[Scurrilous]

5. More like game over man.

Also: we're screwn.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Newest Reality]

6. As we see the implementation of a new Stasi

with the help of Walmart, (and other stores that will deliver a fine, government Fusion Center product to shoppers) it seems that the Rubicon has a dam and a friggin' freeway crosses it now.

Fascista UnFreeway Next Right Wing!

We the People/Terrorists are now in the process of inverting tyranny, so what could we expect in other sectors of this systemic debacle?

Edit: Typos.

[Scurrilous]

7. Well said.

:thumbsup:

[Write Left]

8. If elected Democrats were to take the time to riducule Barack Obama more often,

it would go a long way to turning this thing around.

For instance, we learned yesterday that Barack Obama is going to have his "Director of Homeland Security" address shoppers at Walmart via video monitors. That, right there, is enough ammunition to paint Barack Obama as a man completely off his rocker.

I'm sorry to have to say it, but if elected Democrats don't start going after this stuff very soon, run-of-the-mill liberals will be finding common ground with Teabagger types. We're almost there now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Yes, when the first troops crossed the line

in Iraq.

[me b zola]

11. Maybe before that, even

The Supreme Court choosing a president?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. perhaps that was a COUP

[me b zola]

15. Thats exactly what it was, a coup. n/t

[earthside]

10. The lesson of G.H.W. Bush

When Bush the Elder broke his "Read my lips: No new taxes!" promise, the right-wing of his own party became demoralized about him ... he never got them back enough to win in 1992.

Now, Obama has broken one of his most important 2008 campaign promises -- progressive activists will probably never have the same kind of enthusiasm for him -- and in 2012, that will likely prove disastrous.

So, indeed, the Obama political future has cross the Rubicon of credibility ... and, the nation may very well be crossing it with him.

[asdjrocky]

12. Some of us are about to.

Maybe soon.

[Deep13]

14. We did that when Ford pardoned Nixon. nt