Chavez asks military, backers to prepare for fight

[WriteDown]

Source: AP

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez is asking the military and his supporters to prepare for a showdown with his newly elected political opponents, telling his backers that they must be "prepared to die for the revolution."

Chavez says that opposition leaders who captured five gubernatorial posts and the Caracas mayor's office in elections last Sunday "want a confrontation" and are falling back on "the scenario of 2002," when he was deposed by a brief coup.

He suggested Friday that events including the alleged burning of a state-owned health clinic this week were meant to weaken his government.

Chavez called on Venezuela's military to "prepare to defend the revolution" and said "we won't show them mercy."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_chavez_opposition_1

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Does not sound good.

[Pavulon]

1. che jesus?

kill your opponents. How sad, your mom needs that state job, your brother too...Cant be killing those who dont support you.

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[Joe Chi Minh]

2. I'm not so sure. They never learn and need a lesson they'll never forget. Ugo's been too indulgent

towards those scum.

[WriteDown]

3. You sound like Stalin.

Geez! Try reading your post out loud to yourself.

[bemildred]

8. LOL.

Great repartee there.
:popcorn::popcorn:

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[WriteDown]

17. You are another one who may need to read

their posts aloud before actually posting. Your post actually made me laugh.

[Joe Chi Minh]

16. Don't you understand that those people are killers. Every day, even in

a country like Argentina, children are dying of starvation because of the role played by the US in Latin America. And you think they are better than the worst people on death row? They have far less excuse.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.08/tshtf1.html

Read Matthew 25. Whatever Stalin might have inflicted on them, it is NOTHING compared to what awaits them in the next life. Do you want to throw in your lot with them in eternity?

[WriteDown]

18. With all that oil money....

I'm sure that hunger is a thing of the past in Venezuela.

[Judi Lynn]

28. They are a damned sight better off than when the Ve. oligarchy's hero had his forces fire on the

crowds of protesting poor people who poured into the street after Carlos Andres Perez raised the cost of their heating oil, the cost of the buses they needed to get to work, food, etc., etc. in his crippling reform which wrecked the lives of the poor people who were barely able to survive before the reforms.

He demanded the police fire upon the unarmed protesters, the police split, refused to do it: he demanded his military step forward and mow them down, killing at least 3,000 in the massacre which was named "El Caracazo," in February, 1989. That was the turning point you seem to have missed altogether. The people of Venezuela decided at that point they would NEVER go back that direction again, they would never allow that to happen to them.

Hugo Chavez, who led a coup against that scum became the national hero. Carlos Andres Perez was eventually impeached for massive corruption. He is still an exalted luminary of the right-wing a-holes of Venezuela, calling out for Chavez to be also shot down in the streets.

Decent people know Venezuela HAS to move away from the control by the right-wing oligarchy for the life of the people.

Seething contempt for people who won't take the time to get informed in order to acknowledge and respect the morality of the vital changes Latin America is seeking.

[WriteDown]

30. Haha....

Who said that Perez wasn't worse? They can still do better though.

[Judi Lynn]

32. Take time to educate yourself, do your homework. n/t

[WriteDown]

33. I was actually there in the early 90's....

I highly doubt that you've been ANYWHERE south of the border.

[Judi Lynn]

34. Why didn't you learn anything while you were there? Being there physically doesn't mean anything.

Look how many idiots there are in the States who don't have the vaguest idea what's happening here, or any clue about how things got to be this way, or any point along the way getting here, no idea about the struggle of workers in the U.S. against the nearly-unbounded, unleashed maggots of industry, and the bloody price they paid.

Look at the total jackasses like _{George W. Bush} who come and go from countries without even learned a blessed thing about them?

You've BEEN to Venezuela. Big woof. Too bad you didn't learn anything about what has happened there.

[WriteDown]

35. Just like I thought.....

A 4fer. Being there gives you a real sense of the people, the country, etc. No matter how book smart you are, it just doesn't prepare you. You could know everything about flying a jet from books, but getting in the cockpit and actually flying one is a different story.

[Judi Lynn]

40. So your trip to Venezuela gives you knowledge others don't have. Right.

I've been far, FAR from home, myself, but that didn't give me any special knowledge of the places I saw, and places where I lived, thousands of miles from the US. It only showed me the surface, unusual architecture, a different way of living, different food, people with different customs, etc., etc., etc. It certainly didn't explain their politics to me.

For that, I would still need to have studied.

There's an image in other countries of "ugly Americans," too. I think it's from self-centered idiots who imagine they and their culture represent the center of the universe, and that all other people should be subordinate to them. That's not "Americans," that's just right-wing, crude, primitive, loathesome, assholes.

[ohio2007]

36. ......but you've been there "mentally" ?

Democratic Underground

nt

[EFerrari]

39. That's called "study". You might try it sometime!

[drgonzosghost]

4. People need to realize that Chavez is a despot.

As much as I hate to agree with los repugnicanos on ANYTHING, we need to realize that the Latin American "left" and the European and North American "left" are COMPLETELY different things. Down here (I'm in Costa Rica) the "left" is responsible for executing priests, kidnapping families at night, and using brutality and propaganda to control it's population. There are alot of Venezuelan immigrants here who can attest to that. I personally hope he gets voted out and someone comes in who actually cares about the people there.

I did like the stunt he pulled at the UN though when he took the podium after Bush...THAT shit was gold.

[Arctic Dave]

11. Unfortanetly, the right is just as or more brutal.

Thank the FSM that the US stayed completely away from any murdering, bombings and blackmail in South and Central America.

[EFerrari]

37. Chavez has zero history of brutality in his government. n/t

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[drgonzosghost]

19. With a name like happydreams, you'd think...

you'd be a bit nicer. Chill out, people are going have different opinions than you sometimes. It's part of a person's growth process to become more tolerant of these different opinions. Please see to it that you get back to this growth process as you are looking like a fool amongst other adults.


Here is the search page for La Nacion's archives.

http://dycon.nacion.com/search

This is the Costa Rican national newspaper. Do a search on Venezuela, FARC, Chavez and you can use Babel Fish to translate for yourself if you don't speak Spanish. Your level of vocabulary in our own language tells me this is most likely the case. Get all the facts you need from a perspective of a neutral country's media for a change.

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[Judi Lynn]

31. As the poster learned a long time ago, and you should have learned,

Latin American media are controlled by right-wing interests,
have been, are, and apparently will be for a long time to
come. How have you avoided learning that?

Here's a comment on "La Nacion's" value as a clean
source of information:

CENSORSHIP

While little outright censorship exists, reports that
journalists and editors are forced to monitor what they write
and publish have been increasingly frequent. Editors say they
censor themselves and their reporters routinely, for fear of
incurring penalties that could mean imprisonment, loss of
their jobs, or corporate bankruptcy. A survey done by La
Nación which asked journalists a number of questions about
their profession showed that many of them practiced some sort
of self-censorship. Limiting access to information can be seen
as a subtle form of information control and a number of
journalists complained that public officials were not
forthcoming in this regard. For example, a majority of the
journalists interviewed said that while they had direct access
to public officials, there were many ways in which these
sources avoided their attempts to interview them. Often, it
was difficult for journalists to make it through the
"screen" of intermediaries (press secretaries,
secretaries, assistants, and others). If an interview was
obtained journalists complained that public officials pled
ignorance or claimed confidentiality agreements prohibited an
answer.

http://www.pressreference.com/Co-Fa/Costa-Rica.html

[Joe Chi Minh]

25. The following appears under the sub-heading, Economy, in the Wikipedia entry for

Costa Rica:

"Costa Rica is also the Latin American pioneer in the implementation of a modern welfare state. Its welfare spending is as high as that of Scandinavian countries." (What about Cuba? Oh, sorry. We don't count Commies).

Do you think that would have occurred without the political policies of the Left in Costa Rico!

It looks like it's high time you got a Left in the US, like the Puerto Rican Left, judged on their pioneering of the Welfare State in Latin America.

[drgonzosghost]

27. First of all, it's Costa Ric-A, not Costa Ric-O....

Go back to the History section of that entry and you will see this is a Neutral country and it's policies were drafted before the Marxist "revolutions" elsewhere in L. America. There guys are a different bird all together, and I recommend anyone here to live down here.

[bemildred]

5. Gee, this AP story about Chavez is singularly lacking in context.

One hardly knows what to think about it.

[jrockford]

6. Oh you can think what they TELL you to think - reading the other posts is apparent that works nt

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[justinaforjustice]

9. As Usual, Chavez News Taken Way Out of Context.

There is a massive demonstration going on in Carabobo State in Ve against plans by the new opposition mayor to shut down all the national missions, such as the mission against illiteracy, the mission providing high school and university classes to those who don't have the formal qualifications for the formal schools and, especially, the extremely popular "Mission Al Dentro", the thousands of local free health care clinics that the Chavez government has set up. Thousands of Cuban doctors and other medical personnel have come to Venezuela to man the clinics.

The oppositions in Carabobo are attacking the Cuban doctors and trying to shut down the clinics. The oppositionists are also attacking union members and their leaders. Within the last 3 days, 3 union leaders were assassinated in drive-by shootings. The union leaders were supporting a strike against a Colombian-owned factory, and it is thought that the owners hired Colombian paramilitaries to carry out the killings.

After winning the election, the oppositionists are trying to dismantle all the Chavez supporting organizations; in some cases, using the local police to attack them. See www.venezuelanalysis.com for the details.

[bemildred]

10. Sounds like Bolivia. Hmmm ... nt

[Judi Lynn]

12. Such small details, right? Jesus H. Christ. They'll tie themselves in knots trying to spin.

Very little resemblance between that pathetic drivel and the truth.

No wonder it was so vague. They left everything the President was referring to OUT.

Thank you, justinaforjustice! Thank you very much.

[EFerrari]

38. And we'd never hear a word about it, especially from Authorized Propaganda. n/t

[ohio2007]

20. he doesn't really mean "prepare to die for the revolution."

He just want them to rally behind him
as the oil profits dry up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRvPoCWElOc&feature=related

[Zorro]

21. I suspect the drop in oil revenue is having an effect on Hugo

That loss of revenue is going to diminish his ability to conduct the "Bolivaran revolution".

Being the authoritarian attention whore that he is, he's looking internally for enemies of the state.

Obama's election has -- at least temporarily -- muted his attacks on the Yanquis.

[Pavulon]

22. leaky sandals, less buoyant

cant walk on water quite ass well. Lets see the life of brian clingers reaction over the next few months. priceless.

[ohio2007]

23. will the "Bolivaran revolution" bleed black and red as "these are the times that try mens souls"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDY0DfEjmo&feature=related

;)

?

bc it iritates the few

[Peace Patriot]

24. Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, has said there is a three-country Bushwhack strategy

to split off the oil/gas rich provinces of Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela, into fascist mini-states in control of the resources, by stirring up secessionist movements. The plot in Bolivia unfolded this September, with the U.S. embassy and the DEA funding and supporting white separatists who went on a rampage, beating up supporters of Evo Morales (the first indigenous president of Bolivia--a largely indigenous country), machine-gunning unarmed peasant farmers, sacking government and NGO buildings, and blowing up a gas pipeline. Morales--whose popularity is in the 70% range in the country as a whole--weathered this storm, and received unanimous, strong backing from his neighbors and from South America in general, through their new institution, UNASUR (South American "Common Market"--sans the U.S.).

There is evidence of similar plots in Venezuela and Ecuador, and Venezuela is actually more vulnerable to such a scheme than Bolivia, since Venezuela's oil rich state, Zulia, borders the Caribbean, where the Bushwhacks have reconstituted the US 4th Fleet and where the US has been harrying Venezuela's coast with spying flyovers. Zulia is also adjacent to Colombia, upon whom the Bushwhacks have larded $6 BILLION in military aid--the biggest military aid package in the world outside of Israel--and where rightwing death squads with very close ties to the Colombian government and military routinely murder political leftists, union leaders, human rights workers and anyone who threatens their major drug cartels and narco-fascist rule. The Colombia military, rightwing paramilitary death squads, mercenary troops (Blackwater is present in Colombia), and U.S. special forces, could cross the border from Colombia directly into Zulia, in support of a fascist secession and declaration of "independence," and the 4th Fleet could provide further support. In fact, Donald Rumsfeld hints at such a scenario in his 12/1/07 op-ed in the Washington Post ("The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants like Chavez"), in which he urges "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies" in South America.


There was a test run of US/Colombia military cooperation in March of this year, when a raid on Ecuador's territory, to bomb and shoot up a temporary FARC camp (which was negotiating with French, Swiss and Spanish envoys on the release of hostages), was coordinated from the U.S. embassy "war room" in Bogota. They nearly started a war with Ecuador, whose president did not give permission for the bombing/raid (and was not even notified of it). Bolivia may also have been a test run of the secession strategy. One monkey wrench in their Bolivian war plan may have been that Bolivia is landlocked, and adjacent Paraguay was the way to get support troops into those eastern Bolivian provinces, but Paraguay in the meantime elected a leftist president, after 61 years of often brutal rightwing rule. The new president, Fernando Lugo, certainly would not cooperate with disruption of his neighbor, Bolivia, wouldn't want a US-dominated fascist mini-state on his border, and has said that he wants the US military out of his country. (When Lugo was elected, Morales sent him this message: "Welcome to Axis of Evil.")

Lula da Silva, president of Brazil, has said that the US 4th Fleet also threatens Brazil's oil reserves on the Atlantic coast. Lulu is a center-leftist, with better relations with Washington than Venezuela or Bolivia (both of whom have thrown the US ambassadors out of their countries), and a friend and defender of Hugo Chavez and the Bolivarians. Indeed, most of the leaders of South America are allied with Chavez. Even Chile--which has the closest ties to the U.S. of the many leftist/center-left governments--was instrumental in resisting the Bushwhack plot against Bolivia. Venezuela's oil is a critical resource for their newly formed "Common Market." There would be major, major trouble from most of South America, for the U.S., if the Bushwhacks try another coup before they leave office. It is just the sort of mess that they would love to inflict on the Obama administration. They tried to, with Bolivia. Will they try again?

Chavez seems to think so. I've been warning DUers, ever since I read Rumsfeld's op-ed a year ago, that there IS a war plan, and its main target is Venezuela's oil. We may wake up one morning, in the next few months, and find ourselves in the midst of Oil War II-South America. It CAN happen. It IS planned. And it will more than likely fail. And the result could be permanent alienation between the northern and southern halves of our hemisphere.

The Bushwhacks do not arm another country to the teeth for no reason. (You think they care about the cocaine traffic out of Colombia? Ha!). They and the corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies do not engage in the intense level of lies, psyops and disinformation that they have run on Chavez for no reason. (Do you think they give a fuck whether Venezuela has a "dictator" or not? Ha!) These things take a lot of dirty resources and players, time and energy. So I'm just warning DU again. They HAVE a plan. Whether or not they will implement it is an open question. But one thing is certain: If they do, we, the people of the United States, will be helpless to prevent it, as before. (And don't count on Obama to prevent it. He has surrounded himself with pro-Colombia (i.e., pro-fascist), anti-Chavez (i.e., anti-South American democracy), pro-war, pro-global corporate predator, neo-liberal Clintonites.)

[bemildred]

26. Yeah, I think that's what this is about.

It's bonehead stupid, so it's sorta hard to wrap your mind around, but I think that's what it is.