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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:49 AM
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FARC takes yet more hostages
"Despite calls for an end to kidnapping, Colombia's navy on Monday reported that rebel gunmen had kidnapped six tourists from a Pacific island off Colombia, adding to the more than 700 hostages it still holds for ransom or political leverage.

The FARC has proposed swapping 44 high-profile hostages for hundreds of its jailed fighters, including two now imprisoned in the United States.

Chavez drew an angry rebuke from Colombia's government on Friday, when he suggested that FARC rebels should no longer be classified as terrorists, but rather as a legitimate insurgent group."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080115/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_colombia;_ylt=AhWM6KTtmqbAZA.3RnPuCky3IxIF
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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:12 PM
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1. Watch out for Colombian propaganda
Last nite, the BBC interviewed the mayor of the area where this supposed kidnapping took place and he said from officials within the town to residents - no one knows what the Colombian government is talking about. Further, kidnapping from a beach is a pretty public way to do it. Whatever comes from the Colombian gov't. about the FARC is well coordinated with the US as part of the State Dept's campaign to destroy Chavez. With all the money the US has dumped in Colombia along with US military and god knows how many CIA agents, no president of Colombia can afford to resist US wishes no matter how low-down and petty.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:24 PM
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2. the FARC has operated in Colombia long before Chavez
sorry, I don't believe the FARC, or that the FARC is an imaginary creation of the Colombian and US governments to destroy Chavez.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:02 AM
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3. That may be so. But..
.. since what you have stated is a common belief, then it would make a false flag (a shock doctrine) operation all the more useful (and believable). Just in the nick of time, a fresh accusation against FARC, a chance to discredit Mr Chavez, and more RW rationale to up the funding & military/private contracting to "fight" the terra-ists.

:scared: Big bad COMMIES are coming to get us..

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http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa02.html


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:47 AM
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4. FARC is an acronym for Fuerzas ARMADAS Revolucionarias Colombianas
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 10:48 AM by Bacchus39
that is Colombian Revolutionary ARMED Forces. they wage war against the Colombian government AND civilians. they are a violent destructive criminal organization. they CONSTANTLY are committing armed agression. the recent kidnapping of yet more hostages is simply another in a long history of abuses.

it is perfectly appropriate for the Colombian government to launch countermeasures against them. Chavez discredits himself by saying they are not a terrorist organization and aligning himself with them.
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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:13 PM
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5. Now these are the kind of bad guys to Worry About
The AUC, both funded and trained by the US, has a human rights record that makes FARC look like play school stuff.

Strong US Firms-Paramilitaries Links in Colombia

Bogota, Jan 16 (Prensa Latina) Democratic Representative William
Delahunt described the huge financial support that US companies have
provided to the AUC (United Self-Defense of Colombia) as alarming.

The US congressman arrived at that conclusion after meeting with five
prominent ex paramilitary chiefs held in the maximum-security prison
of Itagi to learn about the links between US companies and those
illegal forces.

The information we received has increased my concern, Delahunt said,
quoted by the newspaper El Tiempo on Wednesday, when he commented on
his meeting with the inmates, although he made it clear that he could
not elaborate about the topics they discussed or the companies
involved.

However, he noted that the testimonies provided by the ex
paramilitary chiefs were very specific and clear about the links
between them and those companies.

Delahunt chairs the Foreign Affairs Subcommittee of the US House of
Representatives, which is investigating the financing to the AUC.

So far, the most publicized case is that of the banana transnational
company Chiquita Brands, which was fined 25 million dollars although
it acknowledged that it had paid 1.7 million dollars to paramilitary
groups from 1997 to 2004.

Delahunt and Congressmen James McGovern and George Millar wound up a
four-day visit to Colombia.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:51 PM
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6. thanks for the article from the Cuban government propaganda rag
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:53 PM by Bacchus39
Chiquita paid the FARC too but it didn't mention that in the article but you didn't provide a link.

extortion and "protection" money is a common tactic of both the AUC and FARC.


Murder, land mines, bombings, execution. Not play school no matter who does it.

rebels and paras, both groups are murderers.
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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:02 PM
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7. Round 6 or 7, I dunno
I guess well go the full 15 rounds or maybe those following this thread will beg us to stop! The only reason you are whacking FARC is because they are commies. If it was just a violence issue, surely you would have objected long ago to the full range of US-funded slaughter in Colombia: AUC, Colombian army, drug trafficking, US Special Forces, Navy SEALS, CIA ops, etc. And yes, Chiquita kicked in some bucks for AUC and it would make me feel better tonight if I knew it were true that FARC took money from Chiquita. Since the mainstream press is wholly unreliable when it comes to commies, I believe it has created a narrative that bears little resemblance to reality. If you are familiar with the US, French, and Canadian orchestrated coup in Haiti and the collaboration of the mainstream press youll see the lengths to which these governments will go to crush poor people who simply want and deserve a piece of the pie. Capitalism is the highest form of imperialism and the world is in a damn mess as a result.

But whacking FARC is your right. And whacking on the other guys is my duty
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