1:30 pm Costa Rica Time: Talks about to break down (Spanish)

[flamingdem]

http://informa-tico.com/index.php?scc=articulo&edicion=20090718&ref=18-07-090010

ULTIMA HORA: Conversaciones en San José a punto de quebrarse
Fuente: http://informa-tico.com/index.php?scc=articulo&edicion=20090718&ref=18-07-090010

Declaraciones extemporáneas de Zelaya dieron pie a que la Delegación Micheletti a amenazar con interrupción de diálogo y presentaron contrapropuesta de otros siete puntos. Delegación Zelaya insiste en que si se acepta el punto uno de la propuesta Arias se continúa el diálogo y si no este acaba hoy.



Por Fernando Francia



Las delegaciones presentes en las conversaciones sobre el conflicto de Honduras se culpan una a otra de "suspender" esta instancia, en una nueva ronda que se realiza este domingo en la residencia de Oscar Arias.

Tras pocos minutos dentro de la residencia de Oscar Arias la primera en salir fue la "Delegación Micheletti" con su portavoz Arturo Corrales que indicó que "ellos (la Delegación Zelaya) han suspendido la buena fe de este diálogo".

Estas declaraciones se dan tras la publicación en un medio impreso brasileño de una entrevista realizada el viernes en Managua al Presidente Manuel Zelaya, antes de esta ronda de negociaciones y sin haber conocido la propuesta de Oscar Arias presentada el sábado al medio día.

Corrales insistió en que "se quiere seguir violando nuestra constitución y nuestras leyes. Zelaya asegura que insistirá en la constituyente cuando retome el poder en Honduras".

Aunque varios periodistas indicaron al vocero michelettista que eran declaraciones extemporáneas de Manuel Zelaya, Corrales indicó que "lamentamos profundamente estas declaraciones. Ayer se dijo una cosa y hoy se dice otra. Es el punto que nos tiene en esta cuestión. Entendemos que la comisión que se presentó a este diálogo esta desautorizada porque ellos dijeron que ese era un tema superado y hoy Zelaya reafirma su insistencia en que lo implementara si retoma el poder".

La entrevista a Zelaya donde este indicó la importancia de la constituyente fue realizada el viernes pero publicada hoy en Folha de Sao Paulo.

Minutos después de las declaraciones de Corrales se dirigió a los medios de prensa apostados al frente de la residencia de Oscar Arias el ministro de defensa del gobierno zelayista, Aristides Mejia.

El vocero de la "Delegación Zelaya" dijo que "ratificamos por instrucción precisa del Presidente Zelaya y con los poderes que nos ha dado que estamos de aceurdo con la propuesta de Oscar Arias".

Mejía insistió en que Zelaya está dispuesto a discutir el punto referido a la cuarta urna y que "estamos de acuerdo con el punto numero uno y de discutir todos los punots de la agenda".

Majía dijo que el tema de la cuarta urna no es el principal tema de la situación de Honduras, ya que "el problema ahorita es que hay un régimen dictatorial que esta reprimiendo gente, que ha asesinado a cuatro personas, que ha suspendido los derechos individuales, que ha suspendido la libertad de prensa".

Mejía relató que en Honduras se muchos medios independientes han sido intervenido militarmente, han sido cerrados, y "cada ve que hay señal, incluso de cadenas internacionales como cnn, telesur o cadenas europeas es interrumpida la señal en el cable". Además, Mejía recordó que "ha habido detención de periodistas, hay un ambiente de falta de libertades. Hay controles en el tránsito hay detenidos, hay heridos".

Así las cosas, el ambiente vuelve a estar tenso en estas conversaciones y se espera que podría haber una ruptura de las mismas en las próximas horas.

La Delegación Micheletti presentó una contrapropuesta de otros siete puntos que es encabezada por "el retorno a Honduras del peticionario señor José Manuel Zelaya Rosales con las garntías necesarias par que pueda ejercer su derecho al debido proceso ante los órganos jurisdiccionales competentes del Poder Judicial".

Esto significa que la posición de la Delegación Micheletti es a favor del regreso de Zelaya para enfrentar la justicia y, como ya lo han señalado anteriormente, su encarcelamiento.

Ante esta propuesta la Delegación Zelaya ha sido clara: "ellos solo tiene que decir si están de acuerdo con ese plan o están en desacuerdo. Si están de acuerdo seguimos discutiendo todos los puntos, si están en desacuerdo las conversaciones terminan el día de hoy".

Al ser la 1.30 pm hora local de Costa Rica, todavía no había una resolución clara en este entredicho surgido hoy. Las delegaciones continúan dentro de la residencia de Oscar Arias.

[Peace Patriot]

1. quick Google translation...

Delegations at the talks on
the conflict in Honduras to blame one another
"suspend" this instance, that a new round
performs this Sunday at the residence of Oscar Arias.

After a few minutes inside the residence of Oscar
Arias was the first to leave the "Delegation Micheletti"
Arturo Corrales with his spokesman indicated that "they
(Delegation Zelaya) have suspended the good faith of
this dialogue. "

These statements are given in a following publication
Brazilian printed an interview on
Managua on Friday to President Manuel Zelaya, before
this round without having met the
Oscar Arias proposal presented on Saturday at half
day.

Corrales insisted that "we want to continue to violate
our constitution and our laws. Zelaya says
insist that the constituent when the power returns
in Honduras. "

Although several journalists told the spokesman
Micheletto were extemporaneous statements of
Manuel Zelaya, Corrales said "we regret
profound statements. Yesterday he said something
and now says another. The point is that we have in this
question. We understand that the commission was submitted to
This dialogue is disallowed because they said that
this was an issue overcome and today reaffirmed its Zelaya
insistence that it will implement if the power returns. "

LLA Zelaya interview where this indicated the importance of the constituency was held on Friday, but published today in Folha de Sao Paulo.

Minutes after the statements of Corrales addressed the media positioned in front of the residence of Oscar Arias, the minister of defense of the Zelaya government, Aristides Mejia.

The spokesman of the delegation Zelaya "said that" ratified by order of President Zelaya and accurate with the powers he has given us that we aceurdo with the proposal of Oscar Arias. "

Mejia insisted that Zelaya is willing to discuss the fourth point refers to the urn and that "we agree with point number one and discuss all punots of the agenda."

Maji said the theme of the fourth ballot box is not the main issue of the status of Honduras, as "the problem now is that there is a dictatorial regime that is repressing people, which has killed four people, which has suspended individual rights , which has suspended the free press. "

Mejia said that Honduras is in many independent media have been involved militarily, have been closed, and there is every sign, including international channels like CNN, TELESUR European channels is interrupted or the signal on the wire. " In addition, Mejia recalled that "there have been arrests of journalists, there is a lack of freedom. There are checks in transit detainees, there are wounded."

Thus, the returns to be tense atmosphere in these talks and it is expected that there might be a break for them in the coming hours.

The delegation presented a counterproposal Micheletti other seven points which is headed by "the petitioner's return to Honduras José Manuel Zelaya Rosales with garntías needed to be able to exercise their right to due process before the competent courts of the Judiciary."

This means that the position of the Delegation Micheletti is in favor of Zelaya's return to face justice and, as has been noted previously, his incarceration.

Given this proposal, the Delegation Zelaya has been clear: "They just have to say if they agree with this plan or are in disagreement. If you agree we still discussing all the points, if the talks end in disagreement today" .

As the 1.30 pm local time in Costa Rica, there was still no clear resolution to this question emerged today. Delegations remain inside the residence of Oscar Arias.

[Peace Patriot]

3. Pretty garbled, but it sounds like Zeleya is cooperating and winning points,

and the coupsters are not cooperating and are losing points. Am I right (generally)?

What does "acuerdo" mean--accord?

"The spokesman of the delegation Zelaya "said that" ratified by order of President Zelaya and accurate with the powers he has given us that we aceurdo with the proposal of Oscar Arias. "

Do you know what this phrase "the fourth ballot box" means? I've seen it before and didn't understand it.

Maji said the theme of the fourth ballot box is not the main issue of the status of Honduras, as 'the problem now is that there is a dictatorial regime that is repressing people, which has killed four people, which has suspended individual rights , which has suspended the free press. "

Oh, I think I just figured it out. That was to be the referendum that Zelaya proposed (the advisory referendum on forming a Constituent Assembly). This was to be the fourth issue on the ballot in November?

[rabs]

6. It is down to a yes or no

Just tuned in to Radio Progreso:

Zelaya delegate Mejia said it boils down to:

The Zelaya delegation yesterday agreed to the "Plan Arias."

The Goriletti delegation did not, and today presented a new list of seven points.

Mejia said either the Goriletti delegation accepts "Plan Arias" today or "the talks will finish today."

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Since yesterday Point 1 has been the unconditional reinstatment of Zelaya. Without that, the other six points are meaningless.

Yes, the Zelaya has won a ton of points with acceptance of Plan Arias. The Gorilettis appear to be on the point of panic with its delaying tactics.

As I write this, radio reporter saying it is all over. Three of the Zelaya delegates who were on the negotiating yesterday stayed in Managua today, an indication that there is no further point in the talks.

[IndianaGreen]

2. It is over! Golpistas insist on prosecuting Zelaya

Let's kill this turkey!

[Peace Patriot]

4. Yeah, I picked that up, but I don't think they can or will win that point.

No prosecutions--from either side--is the heart and soul of Arias' proposal. It's true that if the coup won't agree to that (or Zelaya won't), the talks are over. Because the next step is to form a coalition government. The coup won't step down if there is any risk to them of prosecution. And Zelaya--although he put himself in harm's way of arrest last week (and they wouldn't let him land!)--shouldn't agree to any arrest, prosecution or trial, as the returning president (who has broken no law that I can see). Maybe a legislative inquiry would be appropriate--or some kind of "truth and reconciliation" commission--where all the issues are aired, and everyone has the right to speak (including members of the public). Zelaya is probably going to agree to no prosecutions. What can he do? He can't get them out, if he doesn't agree to that. If the coup continues to be funded by the US, but won't back off on prosecuting Zelaya, then Zelaya can go ahead and prosecute the bastards, if he can regain his position. He's off the hook on all conditions negotiated in Costa Rica. That's what they are risking. How long can they hold out? Only Hillary Clinton knows.

[IndianaGreen]

5. Golpistas are proposing a truth commission but

they clearly state that its purpose is to justify the coup to world opinion.

[rabs]

7. Radio Progreso

just now, Zelaya delegate: "Arias has lost control of the negotiation."

Zelaya to make announcement in Managua shortly. (Telesur probably will carry.)

[IndianaGreen]

8. According to Zelaya's representative, 3 basis were UN and OAS resolutions, and Arias plan

Zelaya accepted all three. The spokesperson for golpistas is saying that Micheletti regime is sticking to its guns.

The golpistas are blaming Zelaya for failure in talks. :eyes: