[es] DECLARACIÓN COMISIÓN NEGOCIADORA DEL PRESIDENTE CONSTITUCIONAL JOSE MANUEL ZELAYA ROSALES

[Downwinder]

http://hondurassolidarity.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/es-declaracion-comision-negociadora-del-presidente-constitucional-jose-manuel-zelaya-rosales/

[Peace Patriot]

1. Google translation of Zelaya Negotiating Committee Statement 10/19/09

NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE STATEMENT (OF THE) CONSTITUTIONAL (GOVERNMENT OF) PRESIDENT Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales

The dialogue, which we have been representing (as) part of the constitutional (government of) President Manuel Zelaya Rosales, began the seventh day of October under the auspices and with the accompaniment of the Organization of American States (0EA).

The first meeting ... adopted the agenda by consensus, the first explicit point was the signing of the San Jose Agreement, which clearly indicates that dialogue could only take place around the spirit and essence of the Agreement.

Under the state of obstruction and relative stagnation (of) that dialogue, we regret that it is now necessary to (issue) the following statement:
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FIRST: We reiterate that dialogue is the appropriate tool to find a political solution to the crisis being experienced by our country in the context of fulfilling the resolutions of the OAS, the UN and the San Jose Accord, but it is indispensable that it be accompanied by the necessary political will and firm(ness). The bargaining committees showed willingness to move forward and sign seven of the eight key points in the final agreement, which implicitly recognizes the authority of President Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales. Regrettably, last Friday 16, the de facto Vice Minister Marta Alvarado announced publicly that our Committee (the Zelaya side?) had broken (off?) the dialogue, thus introducing ... lies and confusion within the negotiating process.

Mr. Roberto Micheletti has not shown the political will and remains committed to use dialogue as a simple political distraction mechanism and calculated delay to gain time and prolong their illegal stay in the arbitrary exercise of government.

SECOND: As our delegation (has shown) undeniable evidence of their political will to reach agreement and find a solution to the crisis, Mr Roberto Micheletti implements obstruction, ... purely formalistic, unacceptable proposals and, in some cases, insulting and provocative .

THIRD: For the above reasons, we reiterate that (the) dialogue, although (we have not broken it off, and it has not been declared broken off), has entered a phase of apparent obstruction.

The permanent council of the Organization of American States (OAS), meeting in Washington on Wednesday 21 of this month, will examine and rule on the current state of blockage that is the process of dialogue.

The Constitutional President Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales has made every possible concession to ensure the success of (the) dialogue and political solution to the crisis. As a result, we were able to agree and sign the ninety-five percent of the content of the San Jose Agreement, the remainder depends only on the political will of Mr. Micheletti. It is we who must take political responsibility and historical guilt for having prevented the successful completion of this generous effort of dialogue, which has always been and will be strongly endorsed by the Constitutional (government of) President Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales and the delegation that represents it.

Tegucigalpa, October 19, 2009

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This statement strikes me as IMPORTANT! We've been waiting for this--and here it is--the upshot of the Monday deadline, that the Zelaya Committee has concluded that the Junta is merely obstructing and not engaging in the dialogue in good faith. And--very important also--the OAS is meeting TOMORROW and the Zelaya Committee expects them to condemn this obstructionism.

I've done a bit of transliterating, to make this Google translation more coherent. I couldn't make out what was meant by this: "It is we who must take political responsibility and historical guilt for having prevented the successful completion of this generous effort of dialogue, which has always been and will be strongly endorsed by the Constitutional (government of) President Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales and the delegation that represents it. "

Does this mean, not "guilt for having prevented" the success of the dialogue, but rather "failure" at not having achieved success, and this is the Committee speaking, on its own behalf, separate from Zelaya? Yes, I think that's it. They are saying that any failure is theirs; Zelaya remains committed to the dialogue. Maybe they wanted to quit in disgust, but he said 'no, don't shut off all hope'? Perhaps someone with better Spanish skill that I have could translate this sentence, and correct any errors that I or Google have made.

The Junta is following James Baker's game plan, obviously (WaPo op-ed, this week)--hold out until the rigged, 'martial law' election, and we corpo/fascist fuckers here in the US will break Obama's elbows to get him to go along with it.

[Bacchus39]

2. why not let the Supreme Court decide? that is the final point I believe

the SC approved his arrest warrant.

[Peace Patriot]

4. Why don't they stop beating teachers senseless and killing children?

Police State and the Suspension of Constitutional Rights - ExecutiveDecreePCM-M-016-2009 eliminates freedom of speech and association, and allows police to enter private houses at will, without a warrant. In addition to giving police blanket authorization to attack and arrest anyone without cause, many of those arrested have been charged with sedition. Although Micheletti claimed to have lifted the decree prior to the negotiations, in actuality, it has remained in effect. Today there was an announcement that it had been revoked. Perhaps this time it may actually be more than a promise.

Three snapshots ... culled from notes during a recent visit to Honduras- from the offices of COFADEH – Committee of Families of the Disappeared of Honduras, illustrate life under the current police state:

Agustina Caceres, a school teacher from La Esperanza , arrived at COFADEH after 21 days in prison. Agustina received the “Teacher of the Year” Award last year for excellence in teaching and is known for her community service with youth gangs. She was sitting on a curb waiting for transport back to her hometown after the celebration in Tegucigalpa to celebrate Zelaya’s return when police started beating her. They continued to beat her face after she was handcuffed. She was released from prison, after her teachers union posted over $5000 in bail and is charged with sedition.

Four people arrived who had been arrested on August 12, the day of a large protests and heavy repression. Two had never been involved in political activity and had not attended the protest. One had attended the protest earlier that day and was then arbitrarily pulled off a bus with his sister and another person while on their way home much later. The fourth voiced protest from a distance about a young boy who was being beaten by the police which provoked her arrest. All were arrested and beaten with long night-sticks or metal poles. They were held in a room laying face down on the floor with arms cuffed behind their backs. Police came by and deliberately stepped on their exposed toes. They were held for nine days. All have been charged with sedition though no evidence has been presented. They are awaiting trial.

A woman from a Tegucigalpa barrio arrived with a small son who had been shot in the stomach. She went to file a police report and was told that the shooting was her own fault because of the state of siege she should not have let him out of the house.

In addition to generalized police repression against the entire population, there is an increase in selective intimidation, threats and assassination. This week, union leader Jairo Sánchez, president of the SITRAINFOP union died after having been shot in the face on September 24th. It is said that he was first thrown to the ground, and then fired on a point blank range. Early this morning, Elisio Hernandez the director of a rural school in Macuelizo and anti-coup activist was also murdered. Because of the increased incidence of violence and intimidation many people who have been involved in the resistance are leaving the country or going into hiding internally.

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Why doesn't their fucking Supreme Court do something about THIS? Fucking brutality and murder! Fuck THEM! Really. They're going to judge Zelaya for proposing an ADVISORY VOTE of the people, while these horrors are being perpetrated by their fucking coup?!

[Bacchus39]

5. time for an election and a new president isn't it??? n/t

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[AlphaCentauri]

6. I will agree with you if I find in the Honduran constitution

that an elected president can be removed by the army taking orders from the SC.

[Peace Patriot]

3. I posted this rough English translation as a separate thread, here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x24981

[rabs]

7. It is "he," not "we."

Have been away for several days but belatedly answering your question.
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Es él quien debe asumir la responsabilidad política y la culpa histórica por haber impedido la culminación exitosa de este generoso esfuerzo de diálogo, que siempre ha contado y contará con el respaldo decidido del Presidente Constitucional JOSÉ MANUEL ZELAYA ROSALES y la delegación que lo representa.

"It is HE (Micheletti) who must take political responsibility and historical guilt for having prevented the successful completion of this generous effort of dialogue, which has always been and will be strongly endorsed by the Constitutional (government of) President Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales and the delegation that represents it. "


Also:

Regrettably, last Friday 16, the de facto Vice Minister Marta Alvarado announced publicly that our Committee (the Zelaya side?) had broken (off?) the dialogue, thus introducing ... lies and confusion within the negotiating process.
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Actually it was Patricia Rodas who said at the ALBA meeting early Friday afternoon that the talks had collapsed. I happened to be watching her live on Telesur when she said that. The de facto golpista Marta Alvarado jumped on that and said the Zelaya team had broken off the talks. So Zelaya had to backtrack so as not to be blamed that he was responsible for the talks breaking down. It's like two kids arguing; "You started it first" and the other yelling back, "No, you started it first."
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Have not seen any OAS reaction yet on the meeting scheduled today.

Golpistas yesterday sent a four-person delegation from the Supreme Electroal Tribunal to the United States to coordinate voting by Hondurans living in this country. This past Monday the school year was suspended (all students were promoted to the next grade) and the school buildings will be taken over by the military to set up voting sites. Printing of the ballots for the Nov. 29 elections has already begun. Zelaya has said a massive fraud is being hatched.

Last night (Tuesday) there was an intriguing development. One of the goriletti negotiators, Arturo Corrales, went to the Brazilian Embassy to meet with Zelaya. Corrales was accompanied by Raul Valladares, who is known to have close ties with the most important businessmen in Honduras.

What transpired at the meeting is not known yet, but the fact they the two men bypassed the Zelaya negotiating team and were able to enter the embassy unhindered hints that there was some sort of counter proposal.

[rabs]

8. OAS reaction today (Wednesday)

(From El Pais newspaper in Montevideo.)

Main points:

-- Negotiations have been paralyzed since last Friday; Insulza calls for intensified efforts.
-- Neither side should propose issues in which they will not reach agreement.
-- Insulza expressed deep concern about the golpistas' "hostile" situation at the Brazilian Embassy.
-- Ruy Casaes, Brazil's ambassador to the OAS, said the golpistas were applying "torture tactics."
-- Casaes said golpista agents at night blow vehicle horns, imitate animal sounds and delay delivery of food.
-- BUT THE BIG SURPRISE: W. Lewis Amselem, accused the goriletti government of "inflexibility."
-- Amselem said the de facto government has not shown any readiness to negotiate as President Zelaya has demonstrated.
-- Amselem called on the gorilettis to consider the negotiations as seriously as President Zelaya has done and to consider them as he (Zelaya) does, a possible solution to this impasse.

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Found Amselem's remarks quite surprsing and wondering if Hillary's patience has run out on goriletti.

Article in Spanish via Uruguay:

http://www.elpais.com.uy/091021/ultmo-449442/ultimomomento/oea-dice-que-continuara-gestiones-en-honduras