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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:23 PM Original message |
7 killed in paramilitary upsurge in Saravena, Arauca |
Colombia Urgent Action:
7 killed in paramilitary upsurge in Saravena, Arauca Report by Colombia Solidarity Published: 14/08/08 “JOEL SIERRA” HUMAN RIGHTS FOUNDATION EARLY ALERT: NEW CRIMINAL UPSURGE IN SARAVENA The Joel Sierra Human Rights Foundation presents this Early Alert communiqué to the regional, national and international community, and to the state’s institutions of justice and control, demanding that they take immediate steps with regard to the following:
Graffiti of the Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia AUC has been appearing on the front of buildings in the last few days, saying things like “THE AUC HAS ARRIVED”. The panic they generate is furthered by the death threats received by human rights defenders, journalists and tradesmen. These events bring to mind the recent past when sicarios hitmen acting in the name of the paramilitaries moved freely through the security cordon of the National Police to commit a great many murders, many of them of social leaders. The upsurge of violent deaths in a region with such security force presence shows that the government policy of ‘democratic security’ is for the economic interests of the transnational corporations, but makes no reference to the life and integrity of araucanos, the people of the region. More: http://www.labournet.net/world/0808/colomb1.html |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Leading Colombian party chief arrested |
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 05:38 PM by Judi Lynn
Probably an oversight.
Leading Colombian party chief arrested Jul 25, 2008 BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — Police have arrested the head of one of Colombia's main governing parties for alleged ties with far-right paramilitaries. Local television is showing Friday's arrest of Sen. Carlos Garcia on criminal conspiracy charges. Garcia's National Unity party holds the most seats in Colombia's Senate and it has been promoting efforts to hold a referendum that would let conservative President Alvaro Uribe run for a third consecutive term. One-tenth of Colombia's Congress has been jailed since early last year on charges of benefitting from far-right death squads that killed thousands and stole land from tens of thousands of others in consolidating control of large swaths of the country. Most are allies of President Uribe. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j1QQiY68JMnWpI_yojLeOwcGxjtgD9251KLO0 |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. is Colombia doing enough combating the paras and FARC or not enough? |
I'll let you debate that with yourself.
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The Colombian government doesn't fight the paras at all. You know that. |
Why are so many of Uribe's party, and Uribe's cousin all connected to the paras, anyway? Coin-ki-dinks? Probably not.
Both military and paramilitaries have testified that the military has combined with paras in massacres. Couldn't be easier to grasp. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. you just posted a story about Colombia arresting the party leader |
of Uribe's biggest supporters and you also just posted that numerous congressmen are in prison. it couldn't be easier to grasp that you just contradicted yourself with the title of your post.
who is pursuing these political leaders if not the Colombian government? the Canadian Monties? the Colombian government also brokered the peace process where paras have demobilized. the FARC refused to participate. it does require that all parties comply. the government alone cannot be held responsible if it doesn't go like its printed on paper. when does it ever?? Colombia's problems won't simply vanish when they make the "correct choice", according to you, in the next election. they haven't in Venezuela, Bolivia, or Ecuador even if you choose to ignore them or simply attack the source of posted information because you don't want to believe it. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The Uribe government is not arresting itself. It is courageous prosecutors, |
judges, lawyers, human rights groups, journalists, union leaders and victims' families--all at great risk--who are pursuing these cases.
What you are saying is kind of like saying that the Bush junta is honest because "Duke" Cunningham is in jail. In truth, the Bushwhacks tried to interfere with and limit that case. Or, justice in the U.S. is alive and well, because Gov. Seigelman is out of jail. The fact is that he was unjustly prosecuted for political reasons, and it took heroic efforts to right that wrong--with the Bushites fighting it every step of the way. Just because parts of a government/political order are working as they should doesn't mean that the system's main political leaders aren't goddamned criminals, murderers, torturers and thieves. Over forty union leaders have been assassinated in Colombia this year alone! Is their justice system working? No! Certain people are trying hard--at considerable risk to themselves. But these blatant murders continue. Why? Because Uribe & co. are shitheads, that's why. They don't support the justice system. They hate the justice system. And if Santos has his way, they will entirely eliminate the justice system and create a military dictatorship. That is the sad truth about Colombia. The choice is between a criminal order that maintains the form, but not the substance, of democracy--it is NOT a democracy if you risk death by voicing leftist opinions--and outright military dictatorship. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. which government is arresting these people then???? |
and convicting them???
provide evidence that the Colombian government hates the justice system and wants to eliminate it and establish a dictatorship. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It's just an educated guess. I think Santos is a threat to Uribe and to the forms |
(but not substance) of democracy--and I think the form is important, actually. I base my guess that a military dictatorship is a threat on several things:
1) On Uribe's erratic behavior during the successful Chavez hostage releases. Uribe's sudden withdrawal of support for that effort, on the eve of the first two hostage releases, may have been the Colombian (and/or U.S. military/Bushites?) pulling Uribe's strings, and the bombing of those two hostages by the Colombian military, while they were in route to their freedom--driving them back into the jungle on a 20-mile hike--may have been Santos treachery against Uribe. I thought for a long while that it was Uribe treachery against Chavez, but I am not so sure of that any more. Uribe's efforts to reconcile with Chavez make me think it was Santos. 2) When Uribe recently visited Chavez to "bury the hatchet," Santos publicly sniped at his own president (something a Defense Minister just doesn't do) and at Chavez, criticizing the meeting. Chavez reacted to this, saying that Santos is "a threat." I wondered what he meant, and guessed that it was the threat of outright military dictatorship. 3) Then, when Santos came begging to Washington, trying to protect Colombia's $6 BILLION in military aid, he said an odd thing. Someone asked him about the Uribe/Chavez accord, and he sarcastically said, "I promised not to use the C word on this trip." Though he meant to be funny (in a Rumsfeldian sort of way), the remark obviously had a history, likely disagreement between Uribe and Santos over Chavez (and other things?). There seems to be friction between them--and, given Bushite plotting in South America, particularly separatist/civil war plotting against Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia--I sense that Santos would easily be involved in this plotting (maybe is already)--and would be gung-ho for helping take over Zulia, for instance--and possibly Uribe doesn't go along with it (prefers diplomatic/political solutions). 3) On the surface, it would appear that a military dictatorship would be frowned upon in Washington and might endanger funding, but I wonder about this. Since the point of the military funding and the "free trade" deal is to serve U.S. corporate interests, and since U.S. corporations have not objected at all to prior military dictatorships in South America (in fact the CIA has arranged them for exploitation purposes), if that is only or best way to serve corporate interests, the U.S. government would support it. (Congress is a pushover--no problem there, I think. A few "liberals" will squawk, but they always cave to corporate interests.) It just depends on what's best for Occidental Petroleum, Exxon Mobil, Monsanto, Blackwater, Dyncorp, et al. And Santos looks like he's chafing to run the country, and has a certain amount of contempt for Uribe (i.e., civilian government). 4) Colombia is such a violent and fascist society--with the Colombian military and associated rightwing paramilitary death squads responsible for 92% of the murders of union leaders--it is not a very big step to a military dictatorship. The Colombian military is much too powerful and out-of-control (can't/doesn't want to control the death squads) for democracy and civilian government. If the justice system continues to make progress with death squad, drug trafficking, election fraud and other investigations, and steps on the wrong toes (Santos? The really big drug traffickers? The Bush Cartel?), Santos and the Colombian military could and would shut it down--suspend the legislature and the courts, the Constitution and civil rights, as the Bush-supported fascists did in Venezuela in 2002 in cahoots with a faction of the Venezuelan military. And if Uribe disagrees, they will get rid of him (or try to bully him into resigning, as they tried to to do Chavez). Also, if the Bushites decide to move on Zulia, and Uribe doesn't agree, I think there will likely be a military coup. (This may be why Chavez called Santos "a threat.") |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I've been posting material for ages discussing the fact the death squads most surely have not been |
demobilized, not by a long shot.
We'll take another run at it. Obviously it slows you down to have to even glance at the facts, but you sound foolish making up your own as you go along. Justice & Peace Law and Decree 128http://www.amnestyusa.org/Colombia/Justice_and_Peace_Law_and_Decree_128/page.do?id=1101862&n1=3&n2=30&n3=885 Colombia: Demobilization Scheme Ensures Injusticehttp://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/01/18/colomb10032.htm COLOMBIA: New Jobs for ParamilitariesMore: http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32842 Colombia’s Right-Wing Paramilitaries and Splinter GroupsMore: http://www.cfr.org/publication/15239/colombias_rightwing_paramilitaries_and_splinter_groups.html NEED FOR CAREFUL CONGRESSIONAL MONITORING OF PARAMILITARY DEMOBILIZATION IN COLOMBIAhttp://www.lawg.org/docs/wolausocdemob.pdf. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. Ally of Colombia's Uribe arrested in "para" scandal |
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 05:40 PM by Judi Lynn
Ally of Colombia's Uribe arrested in "para" scandal
25 Jul 2008 19:25:10 GMT Source: Reuters By Hugh Bronstein BOGOTA, July 25 (Reuters) - The architect of the effort to allow Colombian President Alvaro Uribe to run for a third term in 2010 was arrested on Friday on charges of using paramilitary death squads to intimidate voters. Sen. Carlos Garcia, head of Uribe's main coalition party, was seized in a hotel in the Caribbean resort city of Santa Marta. He was the 31st politician to be jailed in a scandal over links between the paramilitaries and lawmakers. Thirty other members of Congress, most from Uribe-friendly parties, are under investigation over links to the right-wing militias formed in the 1980s to help cattle-ranchers, cocaine smugglers and other wealthy Colombians combat leftist rebels. Garcia is president of the Party of National Social Unity, or "Partido de la U", which is the main political force pushing to let Uribe run for a third term to carry on his popular fight against Marxist guerrillas fighting a 44-year-old insurgency. More: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N25424059.htm Senator Carlos Garcia, headed under the bus. |
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