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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:39 AM
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Argentina endorses $3B Andes tunnel
September 3, 2008 -- Updated 0216 GMT (1016 HKT)
Argentina endorses $3B Andes tunnel

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) -- Argentine President Cristina Fernandez is promising to help build a 14-mile (23-kilometer) tunnel through the Andes into Chile.

Chilean President Michelle Bachelet also supports the project.

Argentina's state news agency says the tunnel will cost $3 billion. It would allow the resurrection of a reliable trans-Andean train running between Argentina's Mendoza province west of Buenos Aires and the town of Los Andes in Chile.

The tunnel would be at an altitude of 8,200 feet (2,500 meters) -- almost 2,600 feet (800 meters) lower than an existing, narrow tunnel that is often blocked by snow in winter.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/03/argentina.tunnel.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:42 AM
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1. Argentina Announces $3 Billion Rail Network Connecting Chile
Argentina Announces $3 Billion Rail Network Connecting Chile

Thursday September 4th, 2008 / 0h31

BUENOS AIRES -(Dow Jones)- Two Argentine companies will invest around $3 billion to build a railway network connecting Argentina and Chile, Argentine President Cristina Fernandez said in a speech late Wednesday.

Fernandez said the project is "transcendental" and that it shows "Argentines are back on the path to greatness."
Argentine firms Corporacion America and Tecnicagua will carry out and pay for the project, a spokesperson for Corporacion America said, though it was not immediately clear if the government would play some role.

"This project will allow for the multiplication of trade between Argentina and Chile through the construction of a 23-50 kilometer tunnel connecting Buenos Aires with Valparaiso," the company said in a statement.

The project consists mainly in the construction of the tunnel but also includes the extension of railway networks already in place in both Argentina and Chile.

More:
http://www.easybourse.com/bourse-actualite/marches/argentina-announces-S-billion-rail-network-connecting-chile-515182
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:04 AM
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5. "...tunnel connecting Buenos Aires with Valparaiso"
that tunnel is going to be alot longer than 23-50 kms. despite the unclear description from the article, it would definitely improve access, perhaps even year around at that major international crossing.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:15 AM
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2. Good Luck To Them, BUT
Good luck to Presidents Fernandez Kirchner and Bachelet. A rail tunnel would be very useful and strengthening railroad operations at a time when fuel prices are skyrocketing and the cost of highway transport is also going up is a smart move.

Nevertheless, it must be said, Latin America south of Mexico hasn't been a friendly environment for rail operations over the last thirty years. Railroad operations have ended entirely in El Salvador. Except for a couple of short sections preserved as tourist lines, rail operations have shut down in Colombia and Ecuador. The government owned railroad in Honduras has closed.

Nicaragua has gone one "better." They not only shut down their railroad, but tore up the track and sold it for scrap. Guatemala's current government kicked out its American concessionaire and is letting its own rail system go the Nicaraguan route. Professions of patriotism and anti-imperialism aside, the move was more to allow members of the government and their buddies to profit from selling Guatemala's rails and bridges as scrap metal to foreigners.

Some of Peru's rail lines survive because of mineral traffic.


As the 21st century progresses, what Latin American railroads survive will be like islands. Mexico's rail system is a peninsula and is firmly attached to the North American rail network. Cuba is literally an island, so is its mainline railroad system. Venezuela's railroads rebuilt in the 1950's, are also likely to survive, as is a Colombian coal line. There aren't likely to be any tracks in operation between the Panama Railroad (If that survives the canal's widening) and Peru and Bolivia. Bolivia's rail network is attached to Brazil's and may survive; there will be rail in Chile.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:35 AM
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3. Hugo Chavez and Alvaro Uribe, in rare accord, recently announced a new railroad
project between Venezuela and Colombia. I don't know the route. I read about it (and other joint projects) because of their friendly meeting, recently, which they described as "burying the hatchet." Long story, but the upshot is a new railroad.

It would be interesting to know more about this, from the political perspective. Is the left more friendly to railroads?

Of the countries mentioned in VogonGlory comment, above, that are losing their railroads, most of them have been countries with rightwing/Corpo regimes that have plundered their countries' resources, and neglected infrastructure and local manufacturing, with the socially irresponsible rich absconding with World Bank funds and leaving the poor to pay the debt, and selling the countries resources and untilties off to multinationals, and taking no care to develop a future for the vast poor populations--with neglect of education, medical care, land reform and other bootstrapping necessities as well.

Top of the list is Mexico. The rightwing/Corpo government is currently trying to privatize the country's constitutionally protected oil resource (to much resistance - could bring the left to power the next election). Colombia has the worst rightwing government of all. (Presumably the railroad was the Chavez government's idea.) Ecuador--rightwing government until recently; the country now has a leftist president with an 80% approval rating. Honduras--the toilet that John Negroponte's death squads crapped in on their way to kill leftists in Nicaragua and El Salvador in the 80's, and which has miserable poverty--recently shifted left, and joined the Bolivarian trade group, ALBA. Nicaragua--a basketcase of "free trade," and multinationl ripoffs, all under U.S.-chosen, rightwing governments, until recently--now it has Sandinista Daniel Ortega as president, and also joined ALBA. El Salvador, yet another rightwing mess, may also get a leftist government soon (next year).

And of the countries fostering railroads, or where railroads are surviving, four out of the five have leftist governments, three of them for quite some time (Venezuela, Brazil and Chile, and more recently gone leftist, Bolivia), and if Alan Garcia (corrupt "free tradist," privatizer) gets the boot in the next election, in favor of a leftist, Peru's railroads will likely have a better chance of surviving. Then there's Argentina--whose economy was destroyed by rightwingers and the World Bank, until leftist Venezuela came to the rescue with easy term loans, and the leftist Kirchners started getting elected--joining with Chile to preserve and extend a railroad.

There DOES seem to be a correlation, doesn't there?

Railroads are a great PEOPLE thing, besides being a vastly more human, and less environmentally damaging, way to haul cargo. It's just plain PLEASANT and RELAXING to take a train--and sit back and read, talk, share food; more community oriented, much more friendly and fun, than the stress and isolation of driving cars or trucks, where, with the slightest mistake by you or other drivers, and you could all be dead. Trains are infinitely less stressful and much safer. You can just sit back and watch the scenery go by without a worry in the world. Railroads CONNECT communities in a markedly different and better way than highways and especially freeways, which chop communities up, foster unsustainable and alientated living, and create urban and rural blight. A train meandering through a rural scene seems to be belong there, whereas a big highway or freeway destroys the view and the feel of the place, and dominates everything.

Old people who can't drive any more can go anywhere, if there is a train. Kids are much happier on trains. There is a romance to trains--something cars don't have any more, because there are too many of them, causing traffic jambs and pollution. And I would guess that trains are by far the cheapest way to transport goods, and that the oil Corpos are why they are not being used. That certainly was the case in Los Angeles, which ripped out its Red Car system--one of the saddest and worst decisions any city ever made--and it was the oil and rubber Corpos who were behind that awful mistake.

So maybe there is a special affinity between railroads and leftists. Leftist governments favor PEOPLE, too, and promote humane and progressive values. Am I onto something?
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:52 AM
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4. Ain't Necessarily So.
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 09:57 AM by VogonGlory
The idea that a left-wing political regime is more friendly to railroads may be a pleasant thought for left-wing parlor theorizing, but it doesn't necessarily reflect reality. The problem with a lot of mainland Latin-American government-owned operations IN PRACTICE, as opposed to THEORY, is that actually running a nationalized enterprise either as a for-profit or a break-even business usually has a much LOWER priority than other concerns.

The cases of Guatemala's FEGUA, Ecuador's railroad, and Manuel Noriega's Panama Railroad reveal a different picture of the alleged "operators'" priorities. In practice, the first priority seems to be providing full employment for all the employees involved at the time of nationalization--a laudable goal, perhaps, but not one that allows a business to become more efficient. The second priority is to serve as political patronage for the ruling party--many new hires are made for political reasons and unlike veteran employees, many don't actually do anything except to draw a paycheck. The third priority is to allow the nationalized enterprise to serve as a source for drawing off money and materials for private use, not the use of the country as a whole. Down at number four, not at number one or even two, is keeping the physical plant in good repair and in operation. Down at number five is actually operating the enterprise as a break-even or for-profit business.


It would be nice if some worker's council could actually manage and operate such businesses in such a way that they could contribute to the growth and development of a typical Latin American country's economy, instead of drawing away money and resources from other, still-productive sectors of those countries' commonwealth. Such enterprises, managed with the interests of the nation as a whole in mind and hostile to graft and embezzlement, would pay its keep and undercut the arguments used by many privateers. Such has RARELY, if ever, been the practice.
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