kentuck
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Sat Nov-21-09 08:30 PM
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I doubt that the "public option" will pass with any healthcare bill. |
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Several of the Senators that voted for the debate to continue will not vote to end the debate if it has a public option. We can expect that to happen.
However, once a bill is passed, any bill, it can be amended with a simple majority, is my understanding? The public option could be added later? In other words, the primary goal is to get a bill passed. It can be fixed further down the road.
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Cleita
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Sat Nov-21-09 08:32 PM
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1. So basically, we are getting the same old health care except we get to pay |
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for it twice, first in taxes and then in premiums anyway. Way to go Democratic Congre$$!
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Sat Nov-21-09 08:37 PM
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3. It would be nice if we could miraculously get 60 to vote exactly how we want them to.... |
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wouldn't it?
Too bad that ain't the reality of it, hey?
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Sat Nov-21-09 08:32 PM
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2. Takes 60 to remove it, once in, I think. |
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Sat Nov-21-09 08:40 PM
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4. An amendment is a new law. |
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It would take 60 to pass it.
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Cleita
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Sat Nov-21-09 08:48 PM
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5. Here's a law to pass, majority rules. It takes 51 votes to pass a bill, period. n/t |
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Sun Nov-22-09 12:23 AM
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10. That wouldn't be a law. |
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That would be a Senate rule of procedure voted on by the Senate. Not much chance of it passing because of the Senate's respect for tradition.
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Sun Nov-22-09 02:12 AM
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15. You mean the tradition where Bush's Senate was able to pass through |
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all the war legislation, Medicare disaster Part D etc. etc., with 51 votes that tradition?
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Sun Nov-22-09 03:29 PM
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18. Democrats didn't filibuster those measures. |
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They voted for them, remember?
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Sun Nov-22-09 03:32 PM
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19. My point, but I get the impression that they didn't dare because of either |
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blackmail or bribery. Certainly, we have some blackmail to hold over the heads of filibustering Republicans or bribery to grease their palms with, too?
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Sat Nov-21-09 09:11 PM
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6. Yes, they can go back and fix it someday a few generations from now. (Assuming |
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health care reform continues to go at a snail's pace like it has since Teddy Roosevelt's day, anyway.)
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Sat Nov-21-09 09:24 PM
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7. I've said for months - |
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Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 10:10 PM by jefferson_dem
We will likely end up with a trigger...which will be met with all sorts of wailing and moaning on the hard left and the hard right. The reality is it will represent the most signficant health reform bill in a generation. The majority of the American public will approve of the landmark legislation and Obama will win re-election celebrating its benefits.
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Sebastian Doyle
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Sat Nov-21-09 09:56 PM
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9. The reality is that the "reform" as you describe it is not any reform at all. |
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Instead of the public option we were promised, let alone the single payer which makes the most sense, instead we get mandatory payments to the criminals who caused the problem in the first place, now enforced by law.
If I wanted that sort of "reform" I would have elected a Repuke like Romney. Or Hillary.
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Sat Nov-21-09 09:27 PM
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8. I wonder why these Blanche Lincoln types are against an opt-out? |
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Sun Nov-22-09 12:53 AM
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11. She's a piece of shit no better than a Republican? |
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Sun Nov-22-09 01:06 AM
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12. They've been modifying Social Securitry for 75 years or so....NHC will be the same |
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Sun Nov-22-09 01:23 AM
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13. if they drop the PO seems to me they have to drop the mandatory provisions |
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otherwise it looks like a windfall to the insurance companies to me.
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Sun Nov-22-09 02:03 AM
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14. yiou and me both sister |
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I don't think the Dems are looking to commit suicide though.
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Sun Nov-22-09 02:42 AM
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16. I believe if the Republicans pushed for a mandate without a public option |
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we would all be freaking out.
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Sun Nov-22-09 03:08 AM
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17. the Public Option will be in the Bill that Obama signs. guaranteed. |
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