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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 10:23 PM
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The idea of playing nice with Republicans & trying to be bipartisan will bring us minority status.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 10:48 PM
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1. It is NOT a failed idea. It is the bludgeon he will use to gain his agenda.
What do the rethugs spout? That they are just desiring bipartisanship. NEVER say otherwise. Even when you ramrod, you say you wished they had participated. It is PR. And the teabaggers are about to splinter. As well as the Republicans. The reason why rethugs are so high on themselves lately is this, They have a fake construct, the baggers. It is rethug in all but name. So, they feel that they join up, and we all hate Obama cuz we expected instant fix for Bushes fuckups. They feel that if we dont have a magic candidate, we will be uninspired. Aint gonna happen.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:46 AM
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7. I hope you are right. n/t
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:13 PM
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2. You know what. I was just thinking....maybe we do need a literacy test
for our congress people that is. How damn dumb can they be, to want to try to be bi-partisan with the republicans. Even my 13 year old grandson knows that you can't be bi-partisan with the GOP because all they want is a chance to screw up and obstruct the democrats. Yes damn it...go to each and every democratic congress member and find out how low on the IQ test they would come out.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:14 PM
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3. Recommend
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:20 PM
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4. Obama really didn't admit that the bill would die
Edited on Fri Feb-05-10 11:21 PM by ProSense
MR. STEWART: Thank you, sir. Our first question comes, Mr. President, from one of OFA's dedicated community organizers, Dream Gunther in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It's a question that's on a lot of folks' minds within OFA and I think across the country: How can we help pass health care reform, and what is the strategy to move it forward? (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: It is a good question. We are closer to a health care reform system that works for all Americans than we have ever been. Never before have you seen a bill pass through the House and then a bill pass through the Senate and where 90 percent of those bills -- those two bills overlap. Democrats in the House and the Senate have been in discussions over the last several weeks to finalize a package that represents the best ideas of both the House and the Senate.

Here's what we know will be in it: It provides coverage to at least 30 million Americans who don't have it. Many of those are small business owners or workers for small businesses. It creates an exchange, a marketplace, where people who don't have health insurance or small businesses that want to get a better deal can pool their purchasing power and then negotiate with insurance companies to drive down costs and drive down premiums -- the same way, by the way, that federal workers and members of Congress, by the way, and people who work for big companies are able to get a better deal because they're part of a bigger pool.

It has insurance reforms that benefit everybody potentially who has health insurance or currently doesn't have health insurance so that we put an end to, for example, the practice of not being able to get health insurance because of a preexisting condition. (Applause.) We make sure that they can't just drop you when you get sick and you need insurance the most.

And we've got a whole series of measures for cost reductions in the health care system over the long term, by reducing waste and unnecessary tests that are duplicative and end up wasting money, by ensuring that there's strong prevention funding so that children are getting regular checkups and they can go to see a doctor instead of going to the emergency room.

So -- and by the way, all of it is paid for, and not only is it deficit-neutral but the Congressional Budget Office, which is the bipartisan office that's the scorekeeper for how much things cost in Congress, says it's going to reduce our costs by a trillion dollars.

Now, those two bills weren't identical, so it was important for folks in both the House and the Senate to sit down and figure out what's the final bill that the Democrats believe in and want to move forward. The next step is what I announced at the State of the Union, which is to call on our Republican friends to present their ideas. What I'd like to do is have a meeting whereby I'm sitting with the Republicans, sitting with the Democrats, sitting with health care experts, and let's just go through these bills -- their ideas, our ideas -- let's walk through them in a methodical way so that the American people can see and compare what makes the most sense.

And then I think that we've got to go ahead and move forward on a vote. We've got to move forward on a vote. (Applause.) But as I said at the State of the Union, I think we should be very deliberate, take our time. We're going to be moving a jobs package forward over the next several weeks; that's the thing that's most urgent right now in the minds of Americans all across the country. And that will allow everybody to get the real facts, both about the health care crisis that we face, why it's so important for deficit reduction, why it's so important for families all across the country. It allows us to see are there, in fact, some better ideas out there?

When I was at the Republican caucus somebody told me they had an idea to provide universal coverage and it wouldn't cost anything. (Laughter.) Which -- I thought, that's great; I want to see that. Now, I did say I want to make sure that's there are some independent health care experts and economists and doctors who would confirm this. But if they can confirm it, why wouldn't I want to take that -- I wish I'd thought of that before. (Laughter.)

But here's the key, is to not let the moment slip away. (Applause.) And I have to say -- I have to say part of what makes health care so hard, and why we are the only advanced nation on Earth that doesn't have some form of universal health care, is because even when the system doesn't work people still want to kind of cling on to the devil they know because they're worried about the devil they don't. It's very easy to scare folks. I mean, if you go out there right now and you ask the average person -- and some of you have done this, talked to your friends, talked to your neighbors -- they're certain that they would have to go into a government plan, which isn't true, but that's still a perception a lot of people have. They're still pretty sure that they'd have to give up their doctor. They're still pretty sure that if they're happy with their health care plan that it's bad for them. They're still positive that this is going to add to the deficit.

So there's a lot of information out there that people understandably are concerned about. And that's why I think it's very important for us to have a methodical, open process over the next several weeks, and then let's go ahead and make a decision. And it may be that -- you know, if Congress decides -- if Congress decides we're not going to do it, even after all the facts are laid out, all the options are clear, then the American people can make a judgment as to whether this Congress has done the right thing for them or not. And that's how democracy works. There will be elections coming up and they'll be able to make a determination and register their concerns one way or the other during election time. All right? (Applause.)

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He simply told the Dems that if they don't pass it, they'll have to answer to voters.

His message was very positive.




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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:51 AM
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8. I know, but he seems to leave open the possibility that he would be willing to accept no HCR.
I am really trying to believe that the public will catch on to the Repub obstructionism, but I don't have much faith in many of the voters and along with that, the media is playing Republican's so called momentum to the hilt and continually claiming Democrats are in trouble. People hear these things repeated over and over again and they will believe them. The truth is the American people do not have a clue about what all Obama has accomplished in his first year.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:48 PM
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5. Bipartisanship with the assholes who spent the better part of the last 3 decades
destroying the country. And after running a campaign that gained enormous grassroots support for change (as in not like repubs) no less.

A brilliant strategy.

:sarcasm:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:57 PM
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6. I'd like to think this is just PR strategy.
It's okay to say publicly you want bipartisanship. Heck, even Repubs say that. The thing is, Obama seems to believe he really needs it. It's very important to him to have a Repub, ANY Repub, supporting something, ANYTHING he wants to do. It's kinda sad, kinda pathetic, really. I think someday he'll look back on this and regret that he didn't push harder for the things he knew needed to be done, and that he wasted so much time barking up the wrong tree with nothing good to show for it.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:45 AM
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9. No republican, not one, will ever agree to anything that Obama proposes. It is a total waste
of time. Nothing will get done. He will be called a "do nothing" president by the republican media and we will lose "control" of the congess.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:54 AM
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10. Well he can't really get up there and say "screw THEM". .
can he..

He can keep saying "c'mon with us and lets solve some problems" and let them continue to ignore him while letting the train leave the station without them.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:02 AM
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11. Amen. We've Started To Act Like A Minority Party, Already. (n/t)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 03:12 PM
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12. K&R.
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