I'm confused...Did Rahm Emmanuel get fired or is leaving on his own?

[vaberella]

The posts I've seen as of late seem to state it as a definitive that Rahm is leaving. Where did this information come from? And why? When I ask why, I'm not asking your personal opinion as to the many reasons Why Rahm needs to go. I'm asking about the straight facts. ie Was there a statement issued? Was there a press conference? And on and on it goes.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. As far as I can tell there's only speculation.

No announcement of any kind that I know of.

[wyldwolf]

2. neither. Just wishful thinking from some.

[vaberella]

22. Understood. n/t

[Cassandra]

45. Do you have a preferred interpretation...

of Dana Milbank's column?

[wyldwolf]

60. yeah. Dana Milbank wrote a column. Simple as that.

[Ken Burch]

56. Well yeah. from those who want this to actually be a DEMOCRATIC administration

The fact that YOU love the guy tells most Democrats all they need to know about the Rahmster.

[wyldwolf]

61. you must mean a FAR LEFT on. Because Obama's administration is very Democratic

[gateley]

3. I think there was a piece in HuffPo -- just someone's opinion. I'll see

if I can track it down.

[Uzybone]

7. ahhh HUffPo...rallying liberals for progressive causes since never

[Pirate Smile]

51. Ha - that's perfect.

:D

[XemaSab]

4. I got all excited when I read this

:(

[havocmom]

19. Me too. Been away from news sources for a few days

Saw OP subject and got ALL excited (and hopeful)

now... :banghead:

[vaberella]

20. You'll notice many posts on this thread which speaks as though Emmanuel is fired.

I wanted clarification because I hadn't seen it. But it seems to be the new thing.

[Kyril Enko]

23. Me too

As I've stated previously, Emanuel Can't (do anything)!

[tularetom]

5. Hopefully if it gets repeated enough it'll happen

Seems to work pretty well for the republican propaganda machine anyway.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. Yeah, I didn't see anything about him leaving

It will be a "Red Banner Day" around here if and when he ever does- judging from the daily Rahm Emmanuel Bash-a-Thon here. Has there ever been a Chief of Staff in previous Democratic administrations that people have been so up in arms about/against? I know that he may not be every progressive's dream COS (in fact, I'm sure that he isn't ANY progressive's dream COS) but I seriously do not get the Rahm-hate around here. :shrug: As "bad" as he might be and whatever differences people might have with him, I REALLY don't understand how some people go the extra mile and liken him to that piece of worm ridden filth known as Karl Rove.

[Number23]

14. "I seriously do not get the Rahm-hate around here."

Join the club! It's about 299,999,975 of us in it.

Of all the hate directed at Democrats here on this site (and wow, there is ALOT of hate directed from here for a Democratic site) the only one that has really made sense to me is Joe Lieberman.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

29. Joe is somebody I really can't stand

At least from where I'm standing, he's been a much more destructive force against President Obama and the Democratic Party than RE has been. I mean, Lieberman CAMPAIGNED for McCain/Palin in 2008, something that AFAIK RE has NEVER done. If campaigning against your *own* party isn't treason, I don't honestly know what is. While I understand that President Obama was, I guess, trying to be gracious to Holy Joe, after the election, Joe's treachery would've just been way too much for me to allow him to remain in the DEMOCRATIC caucus but I guess he and Reid had their reasons. He's continued to be a "snake in the grass" this whole session of Congress too. I've never heard of RE doing remotely as loathsome as Holy Joe has done, particularly in regards to HCR.

[valerief]

33. Lieberman is not a Democrat. nt

[Number23]

40. I'll play along. He wasn't one for the first 18 of the 22 years of his Senate career.

As well as the first 38 years of a 40 year political career and still remains a registered Democrat.

[vaberella]

21. No, they go one step further and liken him to Cheney.

I was under that impression and then i was confirmed when someone actually said that he was like that. I'm like the man doesn't wield that much power.

[Ken Burch]

57. It has a lot to do with the fact that Rahm has spent most of his political career

telling liberals and progressives to, more or less, know themselves in the Biblical sense.

None of this would be there if Rahm hadn't treated US as the enemy and as being completely undeserving of respect or a voice in the party.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Some Folks want us to concentrate

on this.....

Cenk Uygar: "It looks Rahm Emanuel is done"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=190548&mesg_id=190548



Instead of this.....

Stimulus attacks help Democrats gain first real traction in weeks
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/82529-stimulus-attacks-help-dems-gain-first-real-traction-in-weeks?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=



Being accused of hypocrisy on stimulus is making Republicans nervous and desperate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x190519



How the Headlines Get the Polls Wrong About Obama and the Economy
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02/19/how-the-headlines-get-the-polls-wrong-about-obama-and-the-econom



Newsweek poll shows Americans support health care reform specifics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x190766



Health-care shocker: Policy-holder's premium goes up 69%
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/health-care-shocker-policy-premium-goes-up-69-2010-02-19



Reid: Dems will use 50-vote tactic to finish healthcare in 60 days
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/82461-reid-dems-will-use-50-vote-tactic-to-finish-healthcare-within-60-days

"And if health care passes, and job numbers turn positive, November may be very different from what the Tea Party expects."- Paul Krugman
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/health-care-game-on/

"The Coming Conservative Health Care Freakout"
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/the-coming-conservative-health-care-freakout#comments

WONDER WHY?

:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

9. +1000000

[CatWoman]

10. I love you, Frenchie

you completely rock!!!!

:)

[FrenchieCat]

16. I love you back Cat!

(couldn't resist the rhyme!) :P

[ProSense]

12. "WONDER WHY?"

Because health care reform is going to pass anyway. It's feel good for those who don't want the bill to pass.

[havocmom]

32. ah, wrong again

[ProSense]

39. More wishful thinking.

Health care reform will pass, and the Rahm obsessed are pathetically clinging to bogus speculation.

[havocmom]

46. Your assumptions that if a person thinks X they also want Y is erroneous

and an assumption. People do not all think the way someone outside of their heads might ASSUME they do.

Simple logic. Nothing about wishful thinking at all. Just noting you can be very wrong in your assumptions about what other people think, believe, want.

[ProSense]

49. Just because you may not think that, doesn't mean

that others aren't using this bogus story as an escape. If they actually believe it, then they're really gullible.



edit typo

[havocmom]

50. No hable

whatever language that was

[ProSense]

38. delete n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

63. No it isn't.

Because the piece of shit they apparently want to pass is NOT reform.

[Arkana]

13. Because any good news goes against the narrative.

That's why.

Unclean, must be purged, etc.

[depakid]

15. At least some- unlike Rahm et al. actually HAVE a coherent narrative

Never mind that it's berated as "purity," or some such thing.

[FrenchieCat]

17. They sure do!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HuV_NHMdPd0/RyF5EqIFknI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/jSiiMqDhCGc/s320/donkey+suicide.jpg


that's the problem!

[depakid]

25. Those who ignore the cognitive science- end up getting bit in the ass by it, that's for sure

If it were only that one set of folks getting hurt by the stupidity (which really is the proper word to use), I wouldn't have such a problem with it.

[FrenchieCat]

26. The only folks biting us in the ass

are those who work extra hard to keep the Democratic party down.

And there are many of those that post here everyday...
from Gloom and doom on economic prediction,
to those calling a loss on the elections that aren't here for another nine months,
to those who want us to believe that the Democrats and the Republicans are
exactly alike, and there has been no change (fucking lie!).....

All of it accumulates to give us all a feeling of failure on our side.

These are not activists.....
these are folks heavily invested on being proven right,
no matter the effects on this nation.

These are the folks who pretend "Country First",
but really stand for "Told you so, told you so...neener, neener, Neener!"

[depakid]

34. The administration and Senate "leadership" is doing that very well for themselves

Don't blame the activists in the base or the cognitive scientists for sounding the warnings, just as we did in 1994, 2000, 2002 and 2004.

One would think that after awhile- the leadership and its opinion leaders would learn to apply the principles (albeit the hard way) and respond effectively to the feedback, rather stubbornly repeating the same mistakes.

[vaberella]

18. I wonder why too. I've noticed it seems many have a vendetta against Rahm.

Thanks. I was really confused about this.

[Ken Burch]

58. IT's because Rahm has a vendetta against the left wing of the party

He's always tried to keep us out in the cold and he's always acted as if we should have no right to expect anything from the party.

The fact that we'd still be in a minority if we'd stuck with Rahm's hopeless "targeting" approach instead of Dean's 50 State Strategy has a lot to do with it too.

Democratic strategy shouldn't be made by a person who hates most of the people who work to get Democrats elected and who has no respect for the party's true values(which are progressive, not bland corporate centrist).

[HughMoran]

27. K&R!

oh, uh, yeah, excellent point :)

[grytpype]

36. +1500

[onehandle]

11. It's pure fantasy. nt

[LWolf]

24. Neither, unfortunately. nt

[Jennicut]

28. Pure speculation at this point. Can anyone say for sure Millbank got all his info from Rahm?

I need facts, not speculative gossip. And I like Cenk Uygur.

[vaberella]

30. Exactly. However in the past I've caught Cenk exagerrating if not lying.

I don't like when something is sold as fact when it's purely speculation.

[Jennicut]

31. Right. I would even take some unnamed sources saying Rahm is on his way out.

But we don't even have that at this point. We have pure spin on one article Dana Millbank wrote. And yes, Millbank is kind of a sleaze, but where is the definite source saying Rahm is leaving?

[Cha]

41. dana milbank is a raging mediawhore..so there's

that.

[Name removed]

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[w4rma]

37. It's speculation based on the logic that Rahm just leaked to Milbank some stuff that totally trashed

everyone *else* in Obama's cabinet, as if Rahm is the true messiah and noone else working in the Obama White House is fit to suck at his toes.

The logic is that Rahm is burning his bridges and is therefore on the way out on a rail.

[FrenchieCat]

43. Speculation based on bullshit

and speculation of one's opinion written as fact a la Drudge.

DU posters should really refrain from pushing rumors against Democrats in this forum, especially with headlines that speak as facts what are opinion based on pure speculation without nary a sources. If this is what we have become, than this place is no better than the other rumor mills on the Internet that repeat things in hoping that will make it come true. I find that disgraceful! makes us no better than freepers.

[Bullet1987]

62. Frenchie will you please cool down?

What is it with you and other posters getting pissed off whenever someone says something even remotely against the Party or adminstration. Not everyone walks in lockstep with whatever they're told in the media or by party leaders. Not everyone is blindly partisan...no offense.

[vaberella]

53. Do you have proof that Rahm leaked this to Millbank?! n/t

[firedupdem]

42. I'm sick of the loudest mouths

being referred to as the "base" all the time. Because Cenk determines the piece was written by Rahm, word is born! Rahm can speak for himself. If he's leaving he'll let the President know, and he'll let us know. I didn't even finish that "Obama's first year was a failure" bullshit. Screw these people.

[wyldwolf]

44. I've quit trying to convince people otherwise

So if they want to live in the fantasy world where they're the base, so be it.

[Cha]

47. Delusions of grandeur..

President Obama has a much better base than that..one that actually goes out and works with him not against him.

Cha --

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We can prove to Congress that health reform is good policy and good politics, but we need to go as big as possible. So today we're setting a new goal: 5 million hours pledged.

If we hit it, the country will know. We'll be running an ad with the final tally in USA Today, the nation's largest newspaper. And to make sure your voice is heard where it matters most, we'll run radio ads in critical states and districts, featuring local voters announcing the pledge total from their area.

Your hours will make a huge difference wherever you live, and there's many different ways to get involved. Can you help us hit 5 million hours by pledging today?"

[vaberella]

52. I consider myself fairly seasoned at DU and I was confused by the misinformation.

I can understand why so many on DU are knee-jerk reactionists. Way too many manipulators if not outright lying laying around. I agree with you firedupdem.

[donheld]

48. Uranus

[Zomby Woof]

54. If it isn't true

I sure hope we don't get told to fuck off in an angry, over-the-top flame-out thread. :hide:

[vaberella]

65. It would most likely happen. This is DU afterall.

But considering it's not true---I didn't appreciate that it was as true. I hadn't been on the board in a few days so seeing a few threads about Rahm leaving was news...then when I asked, I find out it wasn't. And I've been on this board for a while.

[Ken Burch]

55. If Rahm said he wanted to spend more time with his family...

...would he come home and find out they'd all gone into hiding?

[lamp_shade]

59. If the President had chosen Mother Theresa, they'd be trashing her too.

[vaberella]

64. I think I might agree with that. n/t

[polichick]

66. Well, church and state and all that. nt

[freddie mertz]

67. When he leaves, and he will you know, cause they always do...

We will all know where to find the broken hearts.




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[Samantha]

68. I think he took the job for a year and a half

He wants to run for a position in Chicago. His family is still at the family home and never relocated to D.C. I could be wrong.