"If you already have health insurance, nothing will change."

[mdmc]

I really hate this pitch of the health care reform bill.
My health insurance does not offer access to affordable medical treatment.
Why would I want my shitty coverage not to change?

I bet that I will be spending more on medical treatment this time next year..

[zipplewrath]

1. Unless it's a cadillac plan!

What do they think their cadillac tax is intended to do?

[amborin]

12. zap the middle class

[Bluzmann57]

2. I have pretty good medical insurance

The dental part is not good, but as far as medical insurance, it's a fine plan. Except the price of this coverage raises each and every year and has for the last seven years in a row. I sure would like to pay less and maintain at least the same, if not better coverage. That's the lament of a lot of people. Too damn expensive.

[BanzaiBonnie]

3. But I WANT it to change

I want the very best for what I pay. Compared to other countries, we should have top care, whatever we need because we're PAYING top dollar.

[RoccoR5955]

4. so rates are going to still go up, and up, and up...

...until they are unaffordable?

[mdmc]

5. that the thing - my medical treatment is already unaffordable

so I'm f---ed

[Mimosa]

31. Same here....

High deductibles, exclusions, no Rxs. This is from BC/BS of GA, the only one we can get because of pre-existing. If they raise it we can't afford it, can hardly afford it now.

[HillGal]

6. I just got my renewal, an almost $2,000 increase over last years premium. NT

NT

[a kennedy]

34. mine too, and I JUST CAN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE!!!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[peace13]

7. Great my $2400.00 a month premium is guaranteed then.

That makes me soooo happy.

[FrenchieCat]

8. That's not what is being said......

it says IF YOU LIKE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE, you can keep it.

[mdmc]

9. what if you don't like your insurance?

[ProSense]

11. Then you look forward to reform passing. n/t

[ipaint]

13. If you can afford to or if you live long enough. Odds aren't in your favor. nt

[Donnachaidh]

22. totally bailed on the question -- typical

what a freaking NON- answer Rahm. :eyes:

[girl gone mad]

24. Because you said so?

[freddie mertz]

41. How will that help? Can I switch into a better public plan now?

Oops. No I can't.

I am trapped with my current employer plan, which is still OK, but keeps getting more expensive and more restrictive every year.

This "Reform" is an epic of failure.

[depakid]

14. The get used to it- because the trend will be for more and more policies just like it

[kenny blankenship]

15. Why do you hate America?

Don't you know insurance companies represent the fruition of uniquely American virtues of industry and thrift?

[Donnachaidh]

23. insurance companies represent the greedy bloodsuckers who think the middle

class exists to serve THEM. And our representatives fall into that greedy bloodsucker class, too.

[depakid]

25. No question that they're parasites on the system

they add no value- and not only do they fail to "produce health, but billions health care dollars are actually spent to DENY people care and worsen the public health.

Further enriching and empowering them will lead to nothing positive down the line.

[Donnachaidh]

21. and it's also NOT saying you can CHANGE it

nice spin -- :eyes:

[eridani]

28. And if you don't like it, you will be FORCED to keep it.

That is, if you get it from your employer and your employer's plan sucks,.

[mdmc]

36. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON"T LIKE YOUR INSURANCE?

:shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

37. dontcha love the CRICKETS when they don't want to answer? n/t

[freddie mertz]

They do not HAVE an answer.

Cause we all know, there is no "reform" at all in this for the vast majority of Americans.

As for the rest of them, they get FORCED to buy shitty insurance sold at a profit by the companies that own the government.

Change you can gag and choke on.

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[freddie mertz]

45. They do not HAVE an answer.

Cause we all know, there is no "reform" at all in this for the vast majority of Americans.

As for the rest of them, they get FORCED to buy shitty insurance sold at a profit by the companies that own the government.

Change you can gag and choke on.

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[ipaint]

10. Well, for many if you don't have access to health care or ins.

nothing will change, either.

With states cutting medicaid it should be interesting to see the flood of the "new poor" middle class and long term unemployed workers trying to navigate an underfunded overburdened medicaid program.

Of course the whining from those with decent ins. regarding ongoing massive rate increases will drown that out easily.

[bvar22]

16. Hey, Stop begrudging the Health Insurance CEOs their MILLIONS!

Look at all the baseball players!
.
.
.
And...and...Oh Yeah, Its the GOD of the "Free Market".
Nothin we can do about THAT:
The "Invisible Hand" has SPOKEN!!

Resistance is futile.
You WILL submit to the giant "Invisible Hand".
The Democratic Party Leadership has spoken.

[mopinko]

17. he's talking to harry and louise. he is telling them to calm down.

i don't think it is working, but do remember that everything about this plan is meant to make harry and louise want in.

[jenmito]

18. Can you provide a link for your quote? TIA.

[mdmc]

35. I heard Obama say this at his Reid LV event

basically sayin if you have insurance that you get to keep it..

My question is - what if you have insurance yet lack access to affordable health care?

[create.peace]

19. so i will still be spending the same amount on HI for 1 that i do on food for 3

we eat well, an old hippie veggie diet, to which i attribute our overall good health. the HI payment i have paid for 7 years and have only had one checkup. if i retire on SS this next year at 62, my SS payment will not quite pay for HI. i am thinking of doing it to take the strain off....

[Lorien]

20. Yep. I still can't afford my 12k deductible, therefore I still can't afford any health care

even with my insurance!

[Mimosa]

32. SAME HERE. N/T

[Fire1]

26. I like mine. No changes here. n/t

[mdmc]

56. I was fine with mine too

until I got sick. Once I needed medical treatment, I realized how ineffective my insurance is.

[eridani]

27. I have shitty coverage also, and am NOT pleased that it won't change n/t

[Cha]

29. Link please?

[mdmc]

38. I heard Obama on npr say it

apparently the clip said "If you are happy with your insurance nothing changes, you get to keep your insurance."

[Cha]

40. Right..he said if you're happy with your insurance..

Big difference. But, look at all the kneejerkers ya got here bc you didn't have the right quote.

[freddie mertz]

42. He should add: If you are unhappy, you are stuck with it.

Cause that is the truth of the matter.

No change for you, citizen!

[mdmc]

43. well what happens if you are unhappy with your for profit insurance

My for profit insurance was fine until I got sick and needed medical treatment.
I need about $560 in treatment per month.
I have full health insurance - but this "insurance" does not offer access to medical treatment.

So what happens when this reform passes? What happens when you are not happy with your current for profit medical insurance?

Will this "reform" bill help me in any way to avoid disability and receive the medical treatment I need?

So is there any relief for me in this reform bill?

If the answer is "no", then why would providing 'for profit' insurance to millions of poor people be helpful - won't these people be just like me - unable to afford medical treatment although fully insured. (of course if they are healthy and don't need medical treatment, then they will be cool with their for profit health insurance)..

[mdmc]

46. NPR played the clip of Obama saying what is posted in my OP

as a teaser.
Obama's next sentence was "If you are happy with your insurance, no one is going to make you change."

[Cha]

48. Which should tell you something about

the "media". Which is what pisses me off.

What a BIG FREAKIN' DIFFERENCE.

[mdmc]

50. well what happens if you are unhappy with your for profit insurance?

Working poor want access to medical treatment..

[Cha]

51. I'm talking about the misleading OP and you

keep trying to change the subject. Maybe you should address what I'm objecting to ..first.

Ya got some on here ignorantly kr this bc they want to believe it..poor little things.

[mdmc]

52. NPR played Obama's words

Obama was sayin that you get to keep your for profit medical insurance.

I am suggesting that I do not want to keep my current insurance, as it does not provide access to medical treatment.

When Obama says "You get to keep your current insurance" I think it is a pretty poor pitch..

I created a new OP - hopefully someone that support this HCR bill can explain how it will help me - or admit that it will not help people in my situation.

[Cha]

53. He said "if you're happy with it"..

Are you being purposefully obtuse or what?

[mdmc]

54. I AM NOT HAPPY WITH MY INSURANCE!

Is there any relief in the HCR bill? YES or NO!

I know he said "if you are happy with it"... well, I am not happy with it! Is there any help in the hcr bill or is there no help for me in the hcr bill..

If I am being Obtuse it is because I am in severe pain and I am trying to avoid becoming disabled. All I need is medical treatment in order to avoid disability.
I have health insurance, I do not have access to affordable medical treatment.

I don't mean to be obtuse - I just want to know if there is any relief for me in this HRC bill..

I am assuming that there is no relief of the HCR bill supporters would point out how the bill would help me to avoid disability..

[Cha]

55. Good..now we've established what the President really said..

so you can go from there. I wish you Good Luck.

[mdmc]

57. My OP never quoted Obama

but none the less, I wish a HCR bill supporter would answer the question that I asked in my OP -
Will I get any relief under the HCR bill or will I be forced into disability due to being unable to afford medical treatment while being fully insured?

I think I know the answer as all the HCR bill supporters refuse to answer the question -
all the anti-HCR bill people say that there is no help - - -

[golfguru]

30. How do you cover 30 million UNinsureds without the rest paying more?

Come on...use some logic...you should try to be generous and help out
all those who can't afford ANY health insurance.

[mdmc]

44. lol

as a liberal the last thing I am scared of is paying taxes :)

[a kennedy]

33. MINE IS JUST TO DAMN EXPENSIVE!!!!

and I can't afford it anymore........ :grr: :grr: :grr:

[brand404]

39. A Canadian sums it up best (PIC)...

Singe-payer is the only way to go baby!

[inna]

47. KR

[Kirbster]

49. Oh, the irony!

Part of my exorbitant premiums help pay for the lawyers and lobbyists that work so diligently against any meaningful reform!

[madmom]

58. I have insurance, through SO's employer, can't afford to use it.

[mdmc]

59. Based on what you know, will there be any relief for us in the HCR bill

Thank you for the reply. I am glad I am not alone, although I wish you were not in the same boat as me..
peace and low stress..

[madmom]

60. Sorry, but from what I hear, we are stuck with what we have.

[mdmc]

61. I agree

trying to get a confirm from a hcr bill supporter..