Do You Think It's Time For A Fuck You! arne duncan Thread?

[Dinger]

I do! What a fucking idiot!

[tonysam]

1. An enthusiastic "yes" is in order. n/t

[Dinger]

2. : ) Thanks tony

:)

[hayu_lol]

35. Way to go Dinger...

Arne never should have gotten the job in the first place.

[Dinger]

36. : )

:hi: :loveya:

[Catshrink]

5. I agree.

And, BTW, same to the teacher-bashers.

[Freddie Stubbs]

3. Why not a 'Fuck you Obama' thread, since Duncan is simply carrying out Obama's education policy?

Seriously, why is there so much hate for Duncan for doing what President Obama has asked him to do?

[zipplewrath]

4. One could ask that about Rumsfeld, or Powell

Personally I think cabinet members owe some responsibility to their boss, and the country in general, to occasionally choose to say no.

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. If you are talking about education policy

I would gladly say Fuck You Obama. Cause he's fucking up our schools.

[varelse]

31. A "fuck you Obama" thread would be against DU's written rules

[Reader Rabbit]

6. It depresses me that there is so much anti-teacher sentiment at DU.

Once upon a time, liberals valued and supported teachers. Now? Not so much.

[QC]

16. Who says the people in question are liberals?

The composition of this place has changed dramatically in recent years.

[FrenchieCat]

7. No, I think its time for a FUCK YOU REPUBLICANS thread....

but that's just me and my weird priorities.

As for Education, I'm not sure what to say about what Arne is doing or not doing...
but I know that we scrimped and scratched to put our two girls into private schools
during their entire primary education because the public education system in
the area where we lived stunk like shit, and I don't think that throwing money at it,
would have been the answer, since money is apportioned based on property tax revenues....
Unless that is changed by the states, than the areas who have will continue to have more,
and the areas who ain't got shit will continue to get nothing but shit. I don't think
my daughters would have ended up at Harvard at it not been for the private school system,
which broke us for years and years, but saved our children's ass in the process.

If charter schools can replicate a private school (a good one) learning environment, especially in
"challenged" areas and save folks from having to sacrifice financially as we did, even if it ain't everyone, that's that many more kids saved than not.

One thing I do agree with Arne Duncan, that those teachers that choose to teach in
the most at-risk areas should be rewarded for it; that's for sure!

I also believe that not all who teach should.....
just like in other fields.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. Gee what a surprise

:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

10. What is surprise?

Please discuss.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Have you ever once criticized anything Obama has done?

Cause all I see from you is cheerleading.

It's just getting old. He is not perfect. No one is. And his education policies are horrifically bad.

[FrenchieCat]

15. Is this thread about Obama? Cause I swear it said something about

Fuck You, Arne Duncan. :shrug:

But really,
Is there somekind of price to be won for criticizing this President?
Is there a contest?
All must criticize or else they aren't patriotic? Is that how it works?
Do I really need to be made to feel compelled that it is a "must" to hop
onto the pile-on simply because it's there,
just so it can be made to look even higher still?

There are issues that I don't support this President in, and I have posted them....
I just don't repeat them over and over again like a fucking broken record.
I can disagree without being disagreeable, and without throwing out the President
out there to be hung out to dry while being whipped. I'll leave that up to the
perpetual naysayers, of which there are many right here at DU.

As for the education policies, rather than trash talking me because I support
a Democratic President on a Democratic site that I joined 7 years ago,
and that I'm not willing to say "fuck you" to someone just because
you seem to think I should, perhaps instead,
you could flesh out your critiques a tad bit more so that one
can understand not simply the fact that you enjoy labeling things horrifically bad,
but more importantly tell us why that is your opinion. That would be much more
constructive.

[saracat]

18. Gee and the well researched opinions of a prominent DU journal that are almost daily

updated mean nothing to you. It more than amply outlines the reason this is a horrific plan and yet you say you know nothing about it. The information is readily available and shouldn't have to be rehashed in a poll thread.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. In case you didn't know: Obama appointed Duncan

So yes, this IS about Obama.

I'm a Democrat too. Life long. I knocked on doors for JFK when I was 7. I have never voted for a Republican for president and can't imagine ever doing so in the future.

But that loyalty to the values of the Democratic party doesn't prevent me from criticizing its leaders when they screw up. And Obama has screwed up with education. I also love teaching and I can't sit by watch our education system be destroyed and remain silent just because a Democrat is doing the destruction. My loyalty in fact is to our children and their future; that trumps my loyalty to Obama.

[Dinger]

20. Well Said My Friend : )

:)

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Private school parent

I was educated in private schools. I never stepped foot in a public school until I was a junior in college. But that never gave me the urge to bash public schools. And I have never for a moment regretted my career choice to teach in urban public schools.

[frylock]

23. there are issues that i don't support this president in..

please please PLEASE post the links to the things that you "don't support this President in" because i would love to see them.

as far as broken fucking records, take a look in the mirror. it's all about blaming repubs and the media. yes, the repubs are obstructionists, and everybody but Obama seems to realize this. his desire to work them in a bipartisan manner is NOT going to work. who is to blame for that? and the media? what have the dems done to counter the propaganda? jack fucking shit.

[golfguru]

24. Can you name 2 major issues you disagree with the president?

I do not think one is anti-Obama simply because of disagreements
on some issues.

[QC]

25. I would settle for just one. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

27. I don't really post here to satisfy you and your tired swimsuit fetish.

That's for sure.

Folks who can't stand This President to a point of no return,
requesting anything of me is a bit out of line, IMO.

[FrenchieCat]

26. I'm not a Nuclear power plants fan at all, and I think that Glass-Steagall should be reinstated,

and Obama should have harped on the re-regulations he did propose
much more than he has to date. In fact, I would have done that
before starting on Health Care, had I been in his shoes....

just like I don't always like the way that my husband drives,
cause if was me driving, I'd do it differently.....
but that doesn't mean I grab at the steering wheel,
nor do I scream on and on about how I would have done it,
because I don't expect him to drive and react to traffic exactly in the same
manner that I would. I may not like it, but I'm not gonna talk about that
same thing from now till forever. As long as I get to my destination intact
and pretty much on time, I'm good. I don't find myself so smart, until
my way is the only way, and everyone else needs to move out of my way
and let me handle things. If that's the case, then I should just do all of the driving.

[golfguru]

38. Fair enough n/t

[handmade34]

13. good statement

[varelse]

32. They're being fired instead :/

[Starry Messenger]

11. The Reagan democrats are voting I see.

I'm pretty pissed at Arne and his boss for putting him there. He's only doing what he's told. It's a fire sale on public education.

[freddie mertz]

12. Time to fire him. nt.

[saracat]

17. To endorse the Duncan Education Plan is to admit to a total lack of critical thinking ability.

[DailyGrind51]

22. Duncan's improvements in Chicago schools were more myth than miracle!

"Arne Duncan's Chicago Success Is Deceptive
The Great Guru of Education is Falling Short on Performance

Jul 26, 2009 Barbara Pytel
Secretary of Education Duncan was nominated because of his great results in Chicago. Research now shows results could have been inaccurate.

Based partially on great accomplishments in Chicago schools, Arne Duncan was named Secretary of Education by Pres. Barack Obama. Taking a second look, the results are not as stellar as once thought.
Chicago School Performance Not Accurate

The Civic Committee of The Commercial Club of Chicago issued a report on June 30, 2009 and it was not very flattering to President Obama’s pick for Education Secretary Arne Duncan. In the past this group has been a supporter of Obama and Duncan but they have found some glitches that left them not too enthusiastic.

When President Obama nominated Arne Duncan for Secretary of Education, he had great supportive evidence of Duncan’s success in Chicago Schools. Chicago’s bureaucratic history left little to be desired among the nation’s schools but Duncan was the savior that turned everything around and was now fit to be the nation’s leader in education. Duncan boasted that student test scores jumped from 38% meeting standards to 67%. Considering that a typical school can hope for improvements in the single digits, this was extraordinary. Kudos to Duncan.

Obama also stated that since Duncan had been the chancellor of Chicago schools, the dropout rates dropped significantly every year. President Obama also stated that ACT scores among Chicago students gained at twice the rate of the typical Illinois student. Arne Duncan is a miracle worker and we need to tell the other 49 states just how to improve schools. Duncan was also placed in charge of stimulus money for education.
The Real Status of Chicago Schools

Unfortunately, the reality of Chicago schools is far from Obama’s great speeches. Yes, Chicago schools have improved but because the condition was so mediocre in the past, the improvement is still far below anything to hail as success."

Read more at Suite101: Arne Duncan's Chicago Success Is Deceptive: The Great Guru of Education is Falling Short on Performance http://educationalissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/arne_duncans_chicago_success_is_deceptive#ixzz0gV4PrC4H

http://educationalissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/arne_duncans_chicago_success_is_deceptive

[whistler162]

28. another one?

[Dinger]

29. Yeah, Another One

There'll be more I'm sure.

[waiting for hope]

30. Hell yes,

And I'll throw in some food for thought - if Bush was directing his Secretary of Education in this manner that Arne is, would there be this much acceptance for it? Doesn't anyone here remember the horrific voucher program that Bush proposed? Well, the Charter school infiltration is in replacement of the vouchers, only we never got to vote on it.

[LeftyAndProud60]

33. It must be a lot of Teachers here. NT

[Hippo_Tron]

34. Our education system is such a mess, it's hard to imagine Arne could make it much worse

And until this country decides it values education like the rest of the industrialized world does, the political will simply will not exist to create a first rate public education system that is accessible to all. Arne's going to do his whole thing with Charter schools or whatever and it's probably not going to do much on a macro level.

Yea I feel bad for the good teachers who lost their jobs at this Rhode Island school and the good teachers who will lose their jobs elsewhere. But I honestly don't think Arne is going to do a whole lot to either fix our education system or screw it up more than it is right now.

[hayu_lol]

37. When test scores suddenly jump up in a given area...

all the red flags also come up...and a lot of unanswered questions.

Arne has no answers that haven't already been used in Texas.

[Go2Peace]

40. Just like with government it is a mess because it has been *made* that way

Not because it is inherently a mess. So destroy the institutions and if you do it well you can even get Democrats to play along. All the while we *all* lose because having a public education system is actually better for the country, as is having a government that can provide appropriate services.

[Hippo_Tron]

41. Public education isn't going away

Charter schools (or at least some of them) have better test scores because they can kick kids out. Public schools are always going to be needed as a dumping ground for the kids that the charter schools don't want. And in a lot of areas (particularly urban areas) that's exactly how it is now. If you have the means you send your kid to a private school or if you don't and they are smart and motivated they might be able to get into a magnet school.

Now you might say that we simply won't provide education for those who can't afford private school or can't get into a charter school. But I don't think cities will like the idea of having kids running around unsupervised all day and thus there will still be public education.

[Grand Taurean]

39. As someone who supports reform,

I am opposed to selling off public schools to the private sector.