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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:26 PM
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Obama Tells Dodd Not To Cut Deal With Republicans...
Nice headline to see.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/obama-rejects-bipartisan_b_551132.html

"Although Senate Banking Committee Chris Dodd and his sometime Republican ally Richard Shelby continued to make noises on the Sunday talk shows about a possible bipartisan deal, both President Obama and House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank have personally urged Dodd not to cut a deal with Republicans. I asked Frank point blank why Dodd would want such a deal, and he said--on the record--"I have no idea, but both President Obama and I have urged him not to."

This is a welcome sign that Obama realizes that public opinion is moving in the direction of tougher banking reform, and that he learned from the health debate that bipartisan compromise on key reform issues is a snare and a delusion. Kudos to Chairman Frank and to the President.

Assuming that Dodd doesn't cave, the Democrats still need 60 votes if Republicans decide to filibuster the motion to take up the bill. But with tide turning strongly against coddling Wall Street, it is hard to imagine that a few Republicans won't break ranks. If so, there may be no filibuster at all. "
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:35 PM
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1. Olympia Snowe may join the Dems. according to Drudge who probably posted the article as a
negative thing.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:43 PM
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3. Oh you know Drudge thought this was negative but tis is very good news. Hope
Enough Republicans break ranks and we can get this done.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:32 PM
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51. Dems never fucking learn - Still trust Olympia Snowe, a republican stall tactic to weaken bills....
Edited on Mon Apr-26-10 12:40 PM by LaPera
and gain concessions for republicans....No wonder why Dems don't pass a public option for health care reform, or stronger legislation cutting the loop-holes for Wall Street Reform....Do Dems really believe Snowe is honorable and will do the right thing? She's a fucking republican, a partisan, a lying asshole!

It's why she became a fucking republican in the first place, she's willing to do the republicans dirty work of pretending to want stronger reform, only to weaken bills for the republicans, the insurance corporations and now the banking industry....and she will in the end vote with all the rest of the 40 other republicans.

John McCain used to do the same thing use the same tactic, pretending he was a Maverick and led the Dems on, until the end when he ALWAYS voted with his party, the republicans, always. Stupid fucking Dems...Republicans laugh at you, knowing this same old tactic will always work because insecure democrats desperately want republican approval.

Wake up already - You can't trust a fucking republican....one is a fucking idiot if one does!
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 02:08 PM
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56. I agree with you that Snowe's motives are transparent.
I disagree with you that elected Democrats never learn. They are not stupid, and they are not spineless.

Staged theater is what it is.

That is the reality we are facing.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:41 PM
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2. Thank.Fucking.God
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 12:13 PM
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60. +100000000000 million trillion gazillion brazillion billion...ROFL
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:48 PM
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4. Good
Democrats are helped If they are seen going after wall Street.And If Republicans unite on opposing
then launch full campagin In Maine and MA to pressure Snowe,Collins,and Brown.They are republicans In
Democratic states.And If they won't budge then the White House should remind people In the fall
Republicans are coddling Wall Street.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:02 PM
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15. If R's unite to filibuster it, they will pay for their intransigence in November.
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 08:03 PM by tblue37
The Dems aren't doing enough to win in November, but the R's could still snatch defeat from the jaws of potential victory if they stand strongly united against financial reform.

Let the idiots filibuster (and if they do, make sure that the ads in November remind voters that they did)!
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:43 AM
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43. Let them Filibuster & shut down govt., Let the social security be late
If they filibuster, it will shut down the government and when that happens....Vet paychecks stop, social security checks stop, unemployment aide stops.
When people, especially elderly voters, stop getting their checks they will vote dem.

Bring it On Repugs.
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docb Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:26 PM
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50. No repub deal on Finaccial Reform
This Bill must be as strong as we can get it..Thank you Mr.President--no deal for repubs...This is an attempt to get inside to obstruct..Mcconnnell is weighing into the muck --Keep them out front--- make them show their intractible corporate serving selves! No mercy!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:45 PM
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54. The Rs really do seem to be on a suicide mission.
Maybe they're counting on big bux from the corpos to take over the airwaves this fall & pull their fat out of the fire, but expect a lot of that corporate $$ to go straight into the Dems' coffers. Rs do not have any kind of a lock on corpo treasuries. Corp expenditures are purely pragmatic; they will spend their $$ where they can get the best results, and an out-of-power party can't deliver results.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:54 PM
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5. Encouraging
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:11 PM
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6. McConnell said this morning that they would filibuster. nt
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 04:15 PM by AlinPA
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:33 PM
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22. Not exactly a newsflash.
Good for them! Fillibuster everything you stupid fucks! Let the democrats show them for who they really are.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 04:53 AM
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31. Mitch and Boner both remind me of someone from my childhood
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PinkFloyd Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:28 AM
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32. Boner reminds me of the fascist Malibu cop from The Big Lebowski
And Cheney reminds me of the old Lebowski.

I don't know why.
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:11 PM
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7. Good for Obama!
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:12 PM
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8. No need to cut a deal.
The republicans have suddenly discovered that they are on the wrong side of this issue and several are scrambling to find a way to join the Democrats without incurring the wrath of their party boss Rush Limp-balls. The American people have no love for greedy Banksters and the republican good old boys have miscalculated badly. This is no time to be in bed with these crooks.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:17 PM
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9. yeah, right. no deals, just make sure it's bi-partisan...
fool me once yada, yada, yada fool me for the 243rd time then shame on who?

I'm supposed to believe that the passage of a 4th rate health care bill suddenly caused the growth of a spine in the Democratic party, that *now* they know how use the largest majority in both houses for decades to advance their agenda? Why?

I learned the hard way at the race track the best predictor of future performance is prior past performance, and that, m'friends doesn't inspire one iota of confidence in me that this won't be another case of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:44 PM
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24. have to agree about health care
if it goes like health care then we will get herded out to predatory banks the way we got herded to the insurance companies
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:22 PM
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10. Why didn't he figure this out with the health care reform bill?
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:00 PM
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14. There was nothing to figure out. Democrats had to cut deals with friggin' Democrats to pass any HCR.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:58 AM
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26. Obama and Dem leadership could have strong armed DLC & Blue Dogs they way they did
progressives.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 01:15 AM
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28. And the easter bunny loves me too.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 01:59 AM
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29. Blanch Lincoln is facing a primary challenger, Joe Lieberman lost a primary...
the Blue Dogs and DLC are money strong and voter weak. Once a spotlight is turned on their craven corporate toadying, whatever public support they have evaporates like dew.

Someone as smart as Obama would know how to push those buttons--if he had even wanted to.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 02:21 PM
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57. Obama doesn't want to.
Just like with the health care reform bill. It is a choice, a choice that favors corporate interests, once again.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:48 PM
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59. you say that like you are happy about it. Do you think its a good thing we have pols who ignore us?
and ignore public opinion, even of the constituents who elected them?
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:21 PM
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17. Because HCR wasn't popular.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 02:11 AM
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30. did you read any polls? the only thing unpopular about it was it didn't go far enough
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:32 PM
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11. YESssssssssss!
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:32 PM
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12. But...but I thought that Obama fellow was just a jello-spined coward
who licks Republican ass!

THIS GOES AGAINST MY ENTIRE NARRATIVE ARGH
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:17 PM
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13. I hope this means change!
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:17 PM
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16. Very good. The GOPers wil cave...
they know they will look like like complete morons filibustering this bill.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:35 PM
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23. He should change his slogan to
Change you can believe in, in spite of Republicans.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:02 PM
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18. Sounds likely we've got cloture, without watering the bill down (as much).
Definitely good news. The best part will be seeing the expression on Mitch McConnell's human mask...
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johnnyplankton Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:06 PM
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19. They've got them over a barrel....
...on this one. But wouldn't you love to see the Republicans actually have to do a REAL Jimmy Stewart-style filibuster sometime? It would be over in no time.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:39 PM
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53. That's not really a face transplant we are looking at
really
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BrentWil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:12 PM
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20. Hell yeah
I mean, make them vote for Wall Street.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:28 PM
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21. could it be? is he finally catching on?
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:48 AM
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25. If they do filibuster, seems like prime material for election season.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 07:12 AM
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35. Politically speaking, it's the absolute best thing for Democrats. I say let them drag it out.
If they want to defend wall street up until the time of elections. Perfect.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 01:07 AM
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27. They can use this issue to threaten Brown with. He along with Maine's senators are the weak links.
They'll cave before the dems.
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PinkFloyd Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:47 AM
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33. This serves a dual purpose: hurt the GOP momentum and get a decent bill.
With the Lutz memo leaked, the McConnell meeting public and Goldman Sachs it won't look good on the GOP if they come across as the defenders of the Wall Street guys who cause much of this...at least, not in the eyes of swing voters. That's good too because maybe they can use that to keep the GOP from trying to water the bill down.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 07:08 AM
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34. Scott Brown winning was the best thing for Democrats. A wake up call and
elected to fight against wall street. It energized Democrats and Obama and what does scott brown do (?) - says he will support a filibuster in defense of wall street. No deep analysis needed here.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:09 AM
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38. I think so as well...
of course I was willing to tell myself anything after the defeat. Seeing the way that Dems have rebounded seems promising.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 01:35 PM
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55. It blasted the myth of 60 Democrats, which opened a lot of doors.
We no longer had to operate under the false notion that we could pass whatever we wanted and simply couldn't figure out how to do it. We always had to deal with the specter of Joe Lieberman, and would have whether or not he caucased with us. Now we can correctly depict the Republicans for the obstructionists that they are, which is very, very liberating.
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 07:21 AM
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36. Strike a blow against the Plutonomy!
I just watch Michael Moore's latest movie on Capitalism which just came out on DVD last month. That Citigroup memo from 2006 still comes to mind when I think about financial reform. Here's where Obama can recapture some of the spirit of FDR and the New Deal. I'm overjoyed that he doesn't want to cut deals with the Republicans. The Republicans are the Plutonomy's political wing. If the Republicans want to stop the wheels of government in order to protect Goldman-Sachs, it will cost them dearly this time.
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 07:21 AM
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37. Strike a blow against the Plutonomy!
I just watch Michael Moore's latest movie on Capitalism which just came out on DVD last month. That Citigroup memo from 2006 still comes to mind when I think about financial reform. Here's where Obama can recapture some of the spirit of FDR and the New Deal. I'm overjoyed that he doesn't want to cut deals with the Republicans. The Republicans are the Plutonomy's political wing. If the Republicans want to stop the wheels of government in order to protect Goldman-Sachs, it will cost them dearly this time.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:39 AM
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39. Excellent !
I posted this link in GD also. This, more than anything, can help the President and the Party, get back their mojo before the election in November. I'm hoping they understand the power of this issue.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:56 AM
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40. FYI Shelby was the one (ONE) republican to vote against Glass-Steagall repeal
just so's ya know

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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:22 PM
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48. Thanks, good to know. A flickering candle of hope?
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:25 PM
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49. Nope. Upon further info, apparently not. Stupid Republicans.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:58 AM
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41. Fool him once shame on you. (You know the rest.) nt
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:13 AM
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42. Thank you, Mr. President!!!!
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 11:35 AM
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44. It's not about Caving (for Dodd), it's about a Payday down the road...
Dodd knows full well that Republicans are just in the conversation to give the bill an excuse to water it down so he can leave the senate and join a lobbyist and be paid for his lack-of-work. He wants to get paid, and paid well with some serious kickback cash. And everyone knows it.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:06 PM
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45. Terrific news!
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:09 PM
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46. He did not "tell" him, he urged him.
The Senate is part of a coequal branch of the government, and the president does not have the authority to dictate anything to them. He can only urge and plead.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:17 PM
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47. Can we get every Democrat coordinated on this?
You know, have them say something along the lines of "Republicans are siding with big Wall Street Banks against Main Street by stopping financial reforms."??

Is that too much to ask?
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:34 PM
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52. Good news
thank goodness Tim isn't the president

My sources tell me that one key Democrat, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, is actually somewhat more pro-banker than moderate and heartland senate Republicans when it comes to derivatives reform. He is sympathetic to Wall Street complaints that the Lincoln bill would eat into derivatives profits, and has weighted in on the side of watering down her bill. Happily, he doesn't vote, but President Obama should decide the administration position and not leave it to Geithner.


A little history is reassuring. For all of his personal resolve, it took Franklin Roosevelt seven years and several pieces of landmark legislation to complete the New Deal structure of financial regulation that kept Wall Street well harnessed until the late 1970s - including the Securities Act of 1933, the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the Public Utility Holding Act of 1935, ending with the Investment Company Act of 1940. Even in that golden age of reform, Wall Street wasn't tamed in a day.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 04:39 PM
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58. Freakin' good for nothing republicons. nt
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