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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:01 PM Original message |
Obama Portrays Blanche Lincoln As A Populist Crusader In Radio Ad |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's just crazy talk |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. What bullshit - the prez should be ashamed of himself. nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Bill Clinton should be "ashamed" of his "bullshit", too, right? The Clinton machine is behind her. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Hell yeah, he should be ashamed too. nt |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Agreed. Blanche sucks and has to go. nt. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Agreed. Blanche sucks and has to go. In spite of what the DLC and Obama says nt. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. President Obama is fulfilling his duty as head of the party. Clinton is exercising his prerogative. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. He has NO such duty whatsoever! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Of course he does. Democratic presidents have always supported Democratic incumbents. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Only in your mind... which will rationalize anything Obama does |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. No, I was referring to historical precedent, which you cannot disprove with mere polemic. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Historical precedent is that Presdients don't go out of their way to campaign |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Prove it. Provide a list of the races where a Democratic President campaigned against an incumbent |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. As mentioned, you need a course in logic |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. lol! You don't have an example of a single case where that has happened, am I correct? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. That's not the issue here! -though it does seem to be your twisted take on... something |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Moving the goalposts now that you've been proved wrong? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You are really something! You can't even follow a logical argument- much less make one |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You're the one claiming there's "historical precedent" yet can't name one instance of your claim. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. That's exactly right! They don't! |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Wow. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Splitting hairs again? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Psychologists and various other writers have recognized the phenomena for decades now |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. That's baseless polemic. You have yet to offer any instance where a Democratic president failed... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:21 AM Response to Reply #81 |
92. Local Dems, including recent DNC officers, are complaining about it in Colorado. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. "Page Not Found " Do they have an incumbent Democratic Senator who's complaining? n/t |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. OOPS. Try this link. Local Dem Party officials, in an open letter. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #95 |
101. They are entitled to their opinion. However, what they said does not contradict historical precedent |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Do you have a historical source for your claim? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. You're misspeaking. I never said that. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I still can't find any evidence that sitting presidents ALWAYS endorse, or USUALLY endorse... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I'm done kicking this thread. You're just spinning your wheels at this point. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. And you won't find any, either! |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. If he had any evidence, he would have used it by now. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
125. Historical precedent? I thought that Obama ran his campaign on a promise of change, |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #52 |
110. It applies to you as well |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. +1 |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. No. He should be getting his appointees through the congress, not |
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robinblue (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
116. So, Obama has a duty to be a hypocrit!! |
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fortune (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
126. When I hear "duty" I think of something that's written somewhere |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Do they warn aspiring presidential candidates that they have to surrender their souls? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
70. Why are you replying to your own OP? |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Posted in the wrong place. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
107. However, I thank you for saying it. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Damn you, Fartbama! |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. Who would have thought that fartbama gets funnier every time you post it? |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. And so far, she's the top recipient of Gas & Oil money in Congress, |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. Blanche Walmart is to populism |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. Also: Bill Clinton cuts two radio ads in support of Blanche Lincoln. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. He's even touting her pro-NAFTA vote in one ad. He and James Carville are fundraising for her, too. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. The good news is that Halter is gaining on Lincoln. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. That is good news. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Two wrongs. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Um, sitting Democratic Presidents ALWAYS support Democratic Party incumbents. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. No, in fact it's traditional to support incumbents. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I would prefer that presidents not get involved in primaries. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Hey, I'd prefer the Republicans be struck mute permanently. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I agree about the Republicans, but it won't happen. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. LOL. No, I'm quite certain you've been pegged accurately. nt |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Nonsense. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. uh.. fred? your agenda is pretty transparent ya know. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Always attack the messenger. nt. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Always attack President Obama. nt. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
114. As opposed to NEVER criticize the president? I guess Lincoln n is just peachy to you? |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. as opposed to ALWAYS criticize the president. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. and you theirs |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. I think not . I notice no one reponds about Lincoln. Hmm. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. + 50 |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
63. Raise ya +50 |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. The Presidential endorsement is an incredibly powerful tool |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
80. Apparently Colorado feels the same way. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:05 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Here is more of that, addressing ClarkUSA's SPECIFIC charges... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Fixed link HERE. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. Sounds like Blanche will be cornered to vote on stuff later on |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Like she felt so obliged over the past year? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. YES!!!... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. + 1000000. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
51. Worked so well with Lieberman, that we ought to try it again! |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. There you go with that reality thing again. :) |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. Everyone should keep shitting on Pres. Obama.......about everything he says and does..... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Don't blame the messenger. nt. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Not everyone...only the same ol' 24/7 Obama critics who seem to be in a perpetual state of outrage. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Endless praise won't get us shit either. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Who you callin' a bitchah? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Why have a president that caves |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. +1000000 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
115. Really? Like Obama has ever displayed the fact he has any coattails? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
34. Chronic Rising Revulsion. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
35. K&R...back UP tp +2 |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Maybe the unrecs are coming from folks who disagree with the substance of the spot. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. SOP for that crowd. |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
67. Gee...maybe it is just about the "messenger." |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
47. and obama is a fierce advocate for gay rights |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. and he won't sign a bill without a Public Option... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
49. It's bad enough that he cut the ad in the first place |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. How is President Obama being "dishonest about the matter?" |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Oh, please |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. President Obama never said that, did he? He's not responsible for Sam Stein's HuffPo spin. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. Do you really believe she "took on big insurance companies"? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. Let's not cherry pick the quote. Here's the full text of his quote... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Talk about cherry-picking. She voted for it before she voted against it. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. So did John Kerry, as you seem to have adopted his sincere words as a mocking denigration... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I was a proud supporter of Sen. Kerry. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
72. If Blanche Lincoln is a populist crusader, then Saddam flew one of the planes that hit the WTC |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
77. By Obama's standards, |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #77 |
117. O referred to Wellstone as a gadfly? |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Here you go: |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Wow. That last line was pretty prescient. |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
82. Obama is doing his job of helping Democrats get elected |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. This is a primary. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. And associating himself with upopular and incompetent losing conservatives |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
85. I'd prefer not to see the President working to elect a candidate who ran ads bragging about her |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Here's Gibbs giving Blanche a pass for these very ads: |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
93. So the defense of this is that its tradition? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #93 |
123. Nothing to defend. Ever heard of the concept that possession is 9/10 of the law? |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
97. Lincoln a populist! |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
100. I'm sure that Obama genuinely believes her to be a progressive crusader. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #100 |
111. Too True! |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
106. Lincols is going to lose either now or later. |
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