Top Kill has failed

[IndianaGreen]

Now breaking on ABC News.

On edit:

BP stopped pumping mud at midnight last night. There shouldn't be all that mud coming out.

BP waiting for more mud, and might try the junk shot.

On second edit, a story from WaPo:

BP: 'Top kill' fails to stop flow so far

By Joel Achenbach and David A. Fahrenthold

Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 27, 2010; 6:39 PM

An attempt at a "top kill" on the leaking gulf oil well has failed to stop the oil billowing out -- at least so far, a BP official said Thursday afternoon. The official said BP would try again later tonight.

<snip>

But, Suttles said, oil was still coming out, despite these efforts: "What we do know is that we have not yet stopped the flow."

He said the company would try the procedure again Thursday evening and might add chunkier debris such as rubber balls to the mix in hopes of clogging the leaking pipe. That procedure is known as a "junk shot."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/27/AR2010052701957.html?hpid=topnews

[flpoljunkie]

1. NBC Nightly News just reported that 'Top Kill' will resume tonight along with the 'junk shot.'

[IndianaGreen]

4. I added additional info

from the ABC report.

[emulatorloo]

10. Then maybe you should edit your thread title n/t

[flpoljunkie]

11. Thanks. More from Nola.com and NYT.

The top kill effort to halt the flow of oil into the Gulf of Mexico has been stopped temporarily because too much of the drilling mud being pumped into the well was escaping along with the leaking crude oil, The New York Times reported.

A technician at the BP command center was quoted as saying that the problem was not seen as serious, but that more time would be required.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/top_kill_stopped_temporarily_n.html

[tekisui]

2. And, they should have known it would.

It appears they made the leak worse in the effort.

[Catherina]

5. Do you have an official source for that?

Or is it your opinion. It's been my opinion also but I'd like to have a source.

People have no idea what is coming.

Toxins are going to be raining on that region for decades making people, wildlife and sealife sick. In a country with laughable health insurance too. You dare not even think about it too much.

[tekisui]

63. No official source.

There is talk of it on The Oil Drum:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6516

[Catherina]

3. Is that how they put it? I can't access it right now n/t

[IndianaGreen]

6. BP cannot be trusted

Per ABC News, BP stopped pumping mud hours ago.

[boston bean]

8. Last night at midnight is when they stopped.

[Raine1967]

12. seriously -- is it really that much to get a link?

I gave one, show me where ANYONE says it FAILED.

Right now it's you, with NO links, and your editorial opinion.

[IndianaGreen]

14. I told you it was just on ABC World News

there is no link if it is live on TV.

[Catherina]

20. Well you knew that. I knew that. The whole damn world knows that

but then we have the eternally blind.

[Raine1967]

7. LInk? I have read a number of reports that say otherwise - specifically

that they will attempt more later. In other words there is a temporary suspension.

http://us.cnn.com/2010/US/05/27/gulf.oil.spill/index.html

[IndianaGreen]

9. ABC News on TV which began at 6:30 pm ET

Folks on Central and West Coast will catch an updated newscast.

[Raine1967]

13. AND WHO said it failed? eom.

[IndianaGreen]

16. George Stephanopoulos who is subbing for Dianne Sawyer

and the ABC reporter who just came out of a BP briefing.

[JBoy]

18. And they used the word "failed"?

[IndianaGreen]

21. Stephanopoulos did use the word 'failed'

while the reporter on site said that BP officials were pessimistic.

[Catherina]

23. If they're moving on to the junk shot, that means top kill failed

It's not good news.

[JBoy]

33. If they're "waiting for more mud", then they're planning to continue with Top Kill

There's a big difference between "failed" and "not yet succeeded".

[IndianaGreen]

36. Washington Post is reporting tonight that BP is going to try junk shot tonight

BP: 'Top kill' fails to stop flow so far

By Joel Achenbach and David A. Fahrenthold

Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 27, 2010; 6:39 PM

An attempt at a "top kill" on the leaking gulf oil well has failed to stop the oil billowing out -- at least so far, a BP official said Thursday afternoon. The official said BP would try again later tonight.

<snip>

But, Suttles said, oil was still coming out, despite these efforts: "What we do know is that we have not yet stopped the flow."

He said the company would try the procedure again Thursday evening and might add chunkier debris such as rubber balls to the mix in hopes of clogging the leaking pipe. That procedure is known as a "junk shot."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/27/AR2010052701957.html?hpid=topnews

[phleshdef]

15. No. It hasn't. They are assessing the progress and waiting for more mud.

[IndianaGreen]

17. Per ABC, there shouldn't be that much mud coming out as it is from the riser

The mud shows that there is a lot of hydrocarbon pressure pushing it out.

[phleshdef]

26. That doesn't mean its failed though.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Remember yesterday when MSM reported that they would know in 24 hours if it worked?

It has been well over 24 hours.

Do you think BP is going to come clean and tell the country how FUBAR the situation is?

[phleshdef]

38. I don't trust BP. I also don't think every thing they say is a lie.

Its not rational to just assume that the operation has failed when they are hauling in 640,000 more tons of mud to continue it. They are going to have enough money problems as it is without doing all that just to put on a show.

[IndianaGreen]

46. Even John King on CNN, together with James Carville, don't believe BP

and the BS reasons they are giving to stopping pumping mud.

[phleshdef]

51. I'm suppose to care what John King or James Carville say?

[IndianaGreen]

52. You should care if BP is pulling the wool over your eyes, again!

[phleshdef]

60. Because King and Carville both have astounding reputations for honesty.

[IndianaGreen]

70. More honest than your beloved BP

[tekisui]

75. lol. cute.

[zulchzulu]

19. Republicans are giggling with joy that the BP attempt failed

You know they are.

[IndianaGreen]

24. This is an American tragedy, like 9-11

If you are going to get partisan, blame the two party system for creating the conditions that led to his catastrophe.

[FrenchieCat]

22. So even at DU, I'm not to believe headlines posted.

Where do I go now? :shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

27. In your case, if there is no WH press release, you won't believe it

I reported what I saw on ABC World News. That is all!

[FrenchieCat]

31. If you think I trust this White House more than Disney Corp's ABC

you would be correct.

[EFerrari]

64. LOL

[Catherina]

32. Are you truly open to suggestions? n/t

[FrenchieCat]

40. Actually, I'm a big girl.

even seeing those all-in-caps headline here doesn't phase me,
cause I usually go the link (when one is given) and critically read the entire article posted
(cause posters like to highlight the part they like).
I glad that I'm still into verifiable facts, appreciative of nuance and into understanding context,
and I would hope that a large majority of those on the Internet who consider themselves
educated liberals would as well.

But thanks for asking.

[Catherina]

45. I'll take your word for it n/t

[FrenchieCat]

54. Thanks!

[IndianaGreen]

69. Do you believe now that Top Kill has failed, or are you still waiting for Gibbs to tell you so?

Will you give BP the benefit of the doubt on their next hare brain scheme?

[Catherina]

74. Breaking News and all but still waiting I'll bet n/t

[KingFlorez]

25. Odd, I can't find anything on Google News saying it failed

If that was the case, wouldn't be all over the wire?

[IndianaGreen]

28. I merely reported what I saw 20 minutes ago on ABC World News

Perhaps Olbermann and Rachel will have more info tonight.

[KingFlorez]

30. Okay, if you say so

It's just a little suspect to me.

[IndianaGreen]

37. WaPo: BP to try junk shot tonight

BP: 'Top kill' fails to stop flow so far

By Joel Achenbach and David A. Fahrenthold

Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 27, 2010; 6:39 PM

An attempt at a "top kill" on the leaking gulf oil well has failed to stop the oil billowing out -- at least so far, a BP official said Thursday afternoon. The official said BP would try again later tonight.

<snip>

But, Suttles said, oil was still coming out, despite these efforts: "What we do know is that we have not yet stopped the flow."

He said the company would try the procedure again Thursday evening and might add chunkier debris such as rubber balls to the mix in hopes of clogging the leaking pipe. That procedure is known as a "junk shot."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/27/AR2010052701957.html?hpid=topnews

[Dr Morbius]

34. It hasn't failed yet.

They haven't finished trying yet.

IF it fails something else will be tried; count on that at least.

[IndianaGreen]

35. WaPo: BP to try junk shot tonight

BP: 'Top kill' fails to stop flow so far

By Joel Achenbach and David A. Fahrenthold

Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 27, 2010; 6:39 PM

An attempt at a "top kill" on the leaking gulf oil well has failed to stop the oil billowing out -- at least so far, a BP official said Thursday afternoon. The official said BP would try again later tonight.

<snip>

But, Suttles said, oil was still coming out, despite these efforts: "What we do know is that we have not yet stopped the flow."

He said the company would try the procedure again Thursday evening and might add chunkier debris such as rubber balls to the mix in hopes of clogging the leaking pipe. That procedure is known as a "junk shot."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/27/AR2010052701957.html?hpid=topnews

[emulatorloo]

39. Just edit your thread title from "TOP KILL HAS FAILED" to TOP KILL FAILS TO STOP FLOW SO FAR"

They aren't done yet. "Top kill Has Failed" is a misrepresentation of what is going on, and it not at all what that articles says

"BP restarts 'top kill' effort"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x317176

[IndianaGreen]

41. No, because the OP was based on ABC World News Tonight

and those were the words used by George Stephanopoulos who was subbing for Diane Sawyer.

CNN has that BP idiot on right now.

[emulatorloo]

47. I wouldn't trust Stephanopoulos if his tongue came notarized.

Apparently CNN did a good job on smacking down the BP idiot. Thats good.

[Dr Morbius]

49. How about these options?

ABC News: Top Kill Has Failed

Top Kill Has Reportedly Failed

Has Top Kill Failed? ABC News says so.

[IndianaGreen]

55. Would you admit the BP's attempt at a junk shot is an admission to Top Kill failure?

I don't know why there are some people here that still believe in BP!

The CNN report does not contradict ABC or WaPo:

"Nothing has actually gone wrong or unanticipated," Suttles said at the news conference. He said engineers have been monitoring the process for the past 24 hours, and determining adjustments to the mud-like fluid being injected into the line to counter the flow of oil.

He said the next step will be to restock the drilling fluid and restart in the evening, with the possible introduction of solids -- known as "bridging material," or its variant "junk shot" -- into the mix.

BP officials say the procedure could take another 24 to 48 hours to complete, though whether the "top kill" will successfully stop the flow of oil is uncertain.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/27/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

BP didn't even reveal that they stopped top kill at midnight last night!

[Dr Morbius]

58. Actually, I think I heard this morning that it was a multistep process.

If you think about it, filling the drill well with mud and then cement pretty much guarantees BP won't be able to use it again. I think they dallied for a month trying to find a way to salvage the well, and are only now trying to actually stop the flow. The top-kill process works above ground; the way I see it, a mile under the ocean the additional pressure (from the seawater, as opposed to the atmosphere) should help the process.

I don't believe in BP. I think they were criminally negligent to begin with and their refusal to stop using the dispersant should put someone's keester behind bars: if I go to jail for refusing a government order, they should too. They lied through their collective teeth through this whole sorry episode, and may be lying now. But I did look at the top-kill process, and if it is done correctly, I can't see a reason why it won't work.

Assuming geological stability, which seems to be the case.

I admit, I HOPE it's working. I WANT TO BELIEVE it is working. And you'd have a point if you were to claim that this is the only reason I think it might work. But apart from the logistics involved, which have to be staggering, it ought to work.

Anyway, my point is that your OP headline is unconfirmed. It may have failed. ABC is reported that it has failed. But we don't KNOW thay right now. Keep hope alive. Keep hope alive.

[IndianaGreen]

59. I don't believe in faith-based belief systems, of any kind

BP is lying still. The fact BP kept secret the fact that they stopped Top Kill 20 hours ago is enough reason to not believe them.

[JBoy]

42. BP needs to harness the suckage power of the OP title.

[IndianaGreen]

44. Complain to George Stephanopoulos

Those are the words he used on ABC World News Tonight, a TV broadcast you clearly did not watch.

[JBoy]

48. How about "ABC: Top Kill has failed (so I'll use that as the title, even though I know it's false)"?

[IndianaGreen]

50. It is within the OP

I won't change what I wrote as I watched the newscast just to make you happy.

[JBoy]

57. By your logic it would be fine to post a thread:

Obama is Dead


certain that he likes pie.

[chowder66]

43. They need to talk to this guy....

Businessman fights to get his solution for oil leak to government before top kill procedure begins


...."Unfortunately, his plan is sitting in a queue along with about 17,000 others.

I asked him details of his proposal and the basics are that he feels drilling mud does not have enough density (specific gravity) to guarantee success. Sanchez' Chesapeake Specialty Products has 4,000 tons of HDM, a granulated iron product with specific gravity of 6.0, that he is willing to deliver to the Deepwater Horizon site if he gets approval.

When liquid epoxy binder is added, he feels it will produce a solid block under sea water. The company's HDM is currently used in radiation shielding, ship ballast and security barriers. With the Top Kill plan, Sanchez is concerned that "Once drilling mud fails, the probability of success with higher density product diminishes. If the proper mixes of granular size of any product is not used, there will be either premature plugging of pipe or lack of plugging at well head."

To really get a sense of how rapidly Sanchez' compound sets, watch the video. And then pass it along, because even BP has doubts the Top Kill procedure will succeed. If BP is dubious, doesn't it make sense to consider materials that would be more likely to succeed at that depth?"


Video and full article at http://crooksandliars.com/node?page=1

[slackmaster]

53. Engineers never try the thing that works FIRST

They always put it off until their LAST try.

:sarcasm:

[IndianaGreen]

56. Bill Nye is saying now on CNN that BP ran out of mud

and that they haven't stopped the leak. Nye is now describing the upcoming junk shot.

[flpoljunkie]

61. Olbermann just reported that 'Top Kill' has resumed.

[IndianaGreen]

62. I hope you are watching Michio Kaku on Olbermann

Apparently you are not bothered that BP stopped pumping mud for 16 hours and did not tell anyone about it, not even the US government.

Olbermann is reporting that BP will try the junk shot tonight.

[hulka38]

65. 0 recommendations reinforces my conclusion that people just don't want to know

what is going on.

[jeanpalmer]

66. They're grasping at straws

It's clear now that there was no planning for this. The oil industry is one of the richest industries with great resources available, and yet it didn't take step one to plan for dealing with this kind of event. And the government didn't do anything either. All those guys with grease under their fingernails and the suits who back them up are just greedy total assholes. They'd krap all over their own back yards if they thought they could get oil out of it.

[hulka38]

67. K&R

Another zanie lefty is the first to know what's going on in this joint and gets slammed for it.

I'm admiring your lefty zaniness IG.

[IndianaGreen]

68. Too many people tried to justify BP's actions for reasons that escape me

Tonight's admission by BP comes as no surprise.

'Top kill' fails, BP moves on 'to next option'

By the CNN Wire Staff
May 29, 2010 8:25 p.m. EDT

Robert, Louisiana (CNN) -- Three attempts to pump mud and 16 tries to stuff solid material into a breached Gulf of Mexico oil well failed to stop the flow, top BP executives said Saturday, and engineers and executives with the oil giant have decided to "move on to the next option."

That option: Place a custom-built cap to fit over the "lower marine riser package," BP chief operation officer Doug Suttles said. BP crews were already at work Saturday to ready the materials for that option, he said.

Suttles said three separate pumping efforts and 30,000 barrels of mud -- along with what chief executive officer Tony Hayward described as "16 different bridging material shots" -- just didn't do the trick.

"We have not been able to stop the flow," a somber Suttles told reporters. " ... Repeated pumping, we don't believe, will achieve success, so we will move on to the next option."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us.gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

[hulka38]

73. It comes as no surprise to you. Keep leading them to water.

*edit - no pun

[VMI Dem]

71. BP is badass. They are running shit.

This top kill thing was just chess.

[Jennicut]

72. Top Kill was very unlikely to work.

Never been tried at 5000 feet before. Every attempt is a guess because of the depths. Honestly, BP should have just admitted a long time ago that the relief well is about the most solid solution around. Everything else is shot in the dark.