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Politics_Guy25 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:10 AM
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If Nikki Haley wins, Sarah Palin will be the 2012 GOP nominee
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 12:18 AM by Politics_Guy25
This is fascinating from MSNBC.com's first read:

*** Nikki Haley and 2012: The result last night with the biggest impact on 2012 was Nikki Haley's 49% in South Carolina’s GOP gubernatorial primary -- more than double the percentage her closest competitor (Gresham Barrett) received. Haley fell short of avoiding a June 22 run-off against Barrett, but she heads into that contest in a very strong position. As First Readers know well, South Carolina plays a crucial role in GOP presidential nomination battles; in fact, going back to 1980, every winner of the South Carolina presidential primary has gone on to capture the GOP nomination. And given that Haley was endorsed by both Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin, it might be difficult for Haley to avoid what Mark Sanford was able to do in 2008: stay neutral. Also, given that Haley is perhaps the most conservative candidate in the entire GOP gubernatorial field -- she has supported calls for Lindsey Graham’s censure -- she could very well push the 2012 Republican field to the right.

So...she was endorsed BOTH by Palin and Romney. I don't mean this to be offensive but I can imagine that she would be excited about a female candidate possibly being the GOP nominee and would be very tempted to endorse Palin but Romney's assistance may leave her conflicted.

HOWEVER, should she endorse Palin, that would pretty much lock up the S.C. 2012 GOP primary for Sarah Palin and the winner of the S.C. primary has not lost the GOP nomination since 1980. Ergo, Tampa Bay will see the crowning of "Sarah from Alaska" in August 2012.

This is a fascinating pickup from MSNBC. For those of you who don't think Palin will be the nominee in 2012, how can you not? The GOP is nominating all of her preferred candidates in 2010. Do you think they are really going to turn away from her in 2012? Ummm...no. And when the 'mean old GOP men" gang up on "our girl Sarah", there will be a backlash among the GOP's new teabagger extremist base the likes of which has rarely been seen. Do you really think that the GOP base will go for a "mormon flip-flopper" like Romney or Mike Huckabee, who the economic conservatives distrust and did in 2008? I think not. Sarah is the only logical nominee at this point.

All of this can be deduced because we just found out who has the inside track to win the 2012 GOP primary in S.C. I'm not trying to be a know-it-all or something. I feel like I've just made a discovery. lol. That's all.

The only way Sarah is not the GOP nominee now is if Haley endorses someone else. I doubt a neutral stance would dissuade S.C. voters from going to her.

That all said, Sarah will need to win Iowa for this to come to fruition. No way does NH go for her in a million years. Then, it will depend which state goes first, S.C. or FL. One can imagine if the S.C. primary is just 2 days before the FL primary like it was for the GOP in 2008, that Palin may even get enough of a bounce from her critical victory to perform extremely decently in Florida and prevent a debacle for her there.

This is very good news for President Obama. She runs 15-20 points behind right now and is despised by the general public. Also, she will repulse Florida among other states.

P.S.: If the democratic field is super-strong and there's a good chance they are taking Haley down, I apologize for the premptive crowning but given that S.C never goes Dem at the presidential level, I can't see it in a political climate like 2010.

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:20 AM
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1. Not necessarily
Another strong contender that no one talks about is Jim DeMint
Ge's endorsed a lot of the candidates that are not endorsed by the Republican Party establishment.
If they all do well, he's a strong contender

I do think he's bucking for NcConnell's position
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:23 AM
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2. Palin would be the most likely nominee if she wasn't so incompetent
I just don't think that Palin has the political skill and work ethic to run a successful primary campaign. Even if she won Iowa and South Carolina, which historically has been a guarantee of the nomination, she would sputter out in the later contests. Plus the entire establishment would be out to kneecap her.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:37 AM
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18. Remember W? They're cut from the same cloth.
Both incompetent swine.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:51 AM
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25. w finished his governor term.
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:09 PM
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28. true, but at least W would keep his mouth shut at times. She can't not talk
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:53 PM
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29. Exactly
When W. ran in 1999 and 2000, he did not have huge negatives. I didn't even know he said stupid things back then. :)
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 01:34 PM
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31. W Had The Most Powerful Political Family in the GOP Behind Him
That made all the difference in the world. He wouldn't have won Florida without his brother's assistance.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:33 AM
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20. GOP loves incompetent, it is a pre-req.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:28 AM
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3. Haley hasn't won the nom yet. If she does she'll likely win the
general because she's a Republican running in one of the reddest states there is.

Robert E. Lee could probably defeat her but no one else, and certainly no South Carolina Democrat in 2010.

Sarah Palin is a vastly stupid creature. It remains to be seen if she can win the GOP nomination, or if she loses in January 2012 in Iowa, placing second or third or even fourth and then bolts and begins an indy run. I'm not seeing the GOP heavy hitters hand the nomination to Palin no matter what. I think her chances are remote at best.

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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:11 AM
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23. IMO, she is a "GOP heavy hitter". None of them command the attention she is getting.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:34 PM
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33. That sounds right to me. She'll likely win the runoff.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:39 AM
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4. "...Mike Huckabee, who the economic conservatives distrust and did in 2008"
I once did a "union-friendly?" Google-check on all the likely GOP candidates in 2008. Almost all came up BAD just as I had suspected. But to my great surprise, Huckabee was quite "PRO-union" --- and pretty forthright about it!
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:40 AM
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5. Well I hope the Johnston family gets money
For exposing the scum before she could even think about becoming POTUS. I read a story sometime last week that Levi's sisters computer was wiped clean of photos Palin didn't want anyone to see. They also said someone has a damning picture that got saved before being wiped out. Palin hired 2 women to go into the Johnston's home and keep an eye on things. Levi's sister said she had logged on to her computer one morning and just had the windows desk top, and all her files were wiped clean. She said she took it to her tech guy, and he couldn't find anything left on her hard drive. She also said Sarah wanted to adopt Bristol's baby to avoid embarrassment. I hope that picture is out there. I hope this story is true. I hope they sing like canary's.

Freedom of speech, Don't ya just love your freedom. LOL!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:48 AM
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6. I think, IF Haley wins the nom & the Govrnorship, she'll be gone
before the 2012 election season hightens. South Carolinians are very RW & excuse a LOT but I bet the scandals that we don't even know about yet burry her by then. She's no diff. than Sanaford in her ethics...just prettier. Wait & see. SC will revolt against another sinner in their State mansion.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:49 AM
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7. The GOP is stupid....
.... but they're not THAT stupid.

That being said .... from MSNBC's pen to the teabaggers ears!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:55 AM
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8. Fantasy/DeLusion TRUMPS STUPID...LOL....they gonna do it..its in their DNA
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 05:48 AM
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11. LOL...
How true...:D
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 02:02 AM
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9. If it rains before the fourth race on the card...

...and then the sunlight breaks on the back stretch by the fifth post-time, then I have a hot tip on sure thing for the pick-3 starting in the sixth. A guy at the stables told me all about it.

Take my advice. Stay away from any place named "Aqueduct", "Santa Ana" or "Pimlico". Just trust me on that.

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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 02:07 AM
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10. Great, Palin could carry SC and a few other states...
Let's hope the GOP is that stupid.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:17 AM
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12. I could see a scenerio where Palin could be the GOP nominee:
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 08:17 AM by WI_DEM
Iowa is a caucus state and with several candidates her ardent die-hard wingNUT supporters could deliver a victory and follow that up in SC a few weeks later and she might have the momentum. I wouldn't complain because I think her absolute nuttiness will doom her if she's the nominee--and in the meanwhile will provide an entertaining campaign.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:19 AM
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13. Not all the Gopers like her. Not seeing it.
In fact, I don't know who will be the nominee but we didn't know Obama was going to be 3 years before 2008.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:08 PM
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34. I agree with you...Palin will not be the nominee in 2012
which is why I do not like to waste time talking about Palin.

It also won't be Huckabee, Romney, Newt, Giuliani or McCain.
It will be some one else...either a governor or a senator or
even a house rep.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:24 AM
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14. The RNC will never allow Palin to be the nominee. Trust me.
Even the RNC knows she is political poison and would likely never even make it through the primary season anyway. The word "Quitter" will practically be stamped on her forehead if she dares to run.

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:27 AM
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15. let's hope Haley wins then
Palin as the 2012 nominee for the GOP would be god's gift to Obama
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:39 AM
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16. The GOP power brokers might actually let her be the nominee, too.
If they read that there is no way to defeat Obama, they may actually WANT Sarah Palin to be the nominee because if she loses badly, she'll have to go away.

Nobody likes the stink of horrible loser.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:36 AM
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17. "The GOP is nominating all of her preferred candidates in 2010"
You know this is a lie, right?
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Politics_Guy25 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:09 AM
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19. It is not a lie
Edited on Thu Jun-10-10 10:10 AM by Politics_Guy25
Check out Politicsdaily, she's something like 5/6 in Governor endorsements and 7/8 in congressional races or something like that. I may have it reversed. The article was called "Sarah Palin's winning ways" there. I also meant in the GOP primary season only. Of course, no GE has been held yet.

What exactly is untrue?

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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:58 AM
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21. Since when did 5 out of 6 become "all" to anyone except Fox News?
Maybe this is the article you are talking about:

"Overall, six of Palin's candidates have won their competitive primaries. Three of them have lost."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20007282-503544.html

In other news, the Supreme Court is "all" male.
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Politics_Guy25 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:55 AM
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26. Thanks for the nitpicking
My point still stands, however unfortunate for you, and I don't withdraw that candidates endorsed by her are doing quite well. I'm not sure what your problem with me is. Thanks for the attack. Do you think that me thinking Palin will win is tantamount to support for her? If so, that's insane.

As far as the RNC goes and to another post, they have lost control of the party to the extremists. Michael Steele is incompetent. How do you expect the RNC to control anything in a party controlled by raving lunatics?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 12:06 PM
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27. My problem is that you lied, intentionally or not
This:
"The GOP is nominating all of her preferred candidates in 2010"
is a lie.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 01:16 PM
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30. its not nitpicking. its a reflection of how shallow your analysis is
Yes Palin has backed more winners than losers. But take a closer look. SHe backed Fiorina not Devore, presumably because Fiorina had little chance of losing to Devore. A safe endorsement that had no impact on who won.

Same thing with Terry Branstad in Iowa. He was leading by double digits before Palin ever offered her endorsement. And her endorsement of Rick Perry made no difference to the outcome of his race against Hutchison. She was toast well before Palin weighed in.

Her endorsement of Vaughn Wood in Idaho turned out to be somewhat embarassing since he was a total fail as a candidate.
Also she tried a last minute endorsement of Angela McGowan in Mississippi -- she got 15 percent of the vote.

Did her endorsement help Haley? Sure, but so did the backlash against the infidelity stories.

On the other hand, how well have Palin's endorsements worked out in non primary races? Hoffman in New York? Lost a seat the repubs thought they had. And her endorsement of Tim Burns for MUrtha's old seat in another race the repubs thought they could/should win -- apparently not so helpful.

Let's see how Joe Miller does against Murkowski in Palin's home state of Alaska. I'm not holding my breath.

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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:10 AM
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22. There is no way the base of the republican party will abide not having Palin on their ticket
coming out of the convention. Palin is picking up a lot of chits to turn in later. With the media drooling over her, she will beat any republican for the nomination. The only one who would come close would be John Thune.
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 11:44 AM
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24. Sounds good. Second term for Obama.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 01:37 PM
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32. Precisely, Even The Most Disaffected Progressive Would Chew Through Cut Glass
Not to see her elected.
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