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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 03:23 PM
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Poll question: Who is your favorite 19th century Democratic president?
I am only going back to Jackson because Jefferson/Madison/Monroe were of the Democratic-Republican party, which while related, was not the same party as the Democratic party.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 03:29 PM
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1. Slim pickings
And the genocidal maniac seems to be in the lead.

:popcorn:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 03:34 PM
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2. I'm goin' with my homeboy Polk....
.... because my cousin (and other homeboy) Andy was a racist b*st*d.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 03:36 PM
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3. Let's go with Van Buren.
Seinfeld fans know what I'm talkin' 'bout.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 03:55 PM
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4. Jackson: threatened to initiate a military coup, possibly caused ~100 years of war, ...

... created an ecomonic depression, and despised educated people.

Basically, he was the poor man's George W Bush (except for not being a coward).


I don't think his bravery and the fact that he was for the average White man really makes up for his incompetence, betrayal of his oath to office and just down-right assholishness.

Andrew Jackson may qualify as the single worst monster to ever hold the office of the Presidency. He was a megalomaniac who threatened to declare himself King if Congress tried stopping his butchery of the Cherokee seeking to join the United States. And with the military on his side, Congress knew they could do nothing about it. So in violation of a Supreme Court order, in violation of the will of Congress, he single-handedly (in a political sense) evicted the Cherokee.

The Cherokee served as an example for all future Nations. They could have served as an example of a path to assimilation. Instead, because of just one butchering monster, they served as an example that such assimilation was impossible thus guaranteeing almost a century of Indian warfare.

Not every American (Euro- and Native-) who died after that can be blamed on Jackson. But a damned hefty percentage of them can be.

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 03:57 PM
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5. Jackson?????????
People round here need a good dose of Zinn.

Jackson?

Whoa!

Could leave me in a trail of tears.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:00 PM
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6. Where's George W Bu$h?
He worked hard to get us back to the 19 century.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:06 PM
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7. Fuck Andrew Jackson
racist son of a bitch.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:09 PM
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8. he got the most votes
didn't realize he was such a fave over here.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:12 PM
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9. Probably the only name they knew
And they only know him because he's on the goddamn $20 bill.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:13 PM
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10. Probably getting the vote for name/face recognition. That portrait on the green paper, for example
EOM
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:40 PM
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13. The first Imperial president
A really, really, mean SOB. He is one of my most hated presidents. I have to agree that he got the most votes because most DUers couldn't name more than two 19th century presidents if their lives depended upon it.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:13 PM
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11. The Slate of Possibilities is Depressing
but there is always this in favor of James K Polk.

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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:30 PM
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12. Jackson would be a Republican today imo nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:57 PM
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16. He would be a tea bagger railing against minorities
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:53 PM
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14. Rotten bunch, I wouldn't have been a Democrat at that time
I guess I'd be a Van B boy just cause he led to a good episode of Seinfeld. LOL
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 04:57 PM
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15. None of them!
They were racists to one extend or another.
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 05:16 PM
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17. Well, the 19th century Democratic party was nothing like the 20th.
Back then, it was the party of conservative and wealthy types. Here's a brief synopsis of each Presidency:

Andrew Jackson was a complete POS but there are two things in his favor. First: he looked upon the Bank of the United States and saw in the bank's director an unelected person with no accountability to the public, and extraordinary power. Jackson took it upon himself to take the Bank down, and he succeeded. Second: prior to Jackson, electoral college members were selected by state legislatures. Jackson believed the people should make the choice for President, not the state legislators, and it is truly because of Jackson that we got popular vote. He was a horrible man; a murderer, a nearly psychotic disciplinarian, and a cold-hearted racist. But he did a couple things.

Whereas Martin Van Buren did basically nothing in his term, which contained a recession which probably wasn't his fault.

James K Polk instigated the war with Mexico and we all know the result: America nearly doubled in size with all the land acquired. The war was popular. It was opposed by a freshman congressman from Illinois on moral grounds. Abraham Lincoln lost reelection and wouldn't get elected to any office until 1860, over ten years later. Polk also resolved - through negotiation this time - a long contested border dispute with the British Empire over the Oregon territory. This shows Polk was ABLE to use negotiation to successfully resolve international disputes, but deliberately provoked war with Mexico. He was a very successful President, but not a good man. Incidentally, I believe he was the first President to ever be photographed.

Franklin Pierce ended the Missouri compromise and this arguably set the table for the civil war. Another racist scumbucket.

James Buchanan won for the same reason as Pierce: the opposition was in extreme disarray. This was the first time the new Republican party would field a candidate, for the Whig party was toast. He was selected as a person with neither northern nor southern sympathies. Buchanan decided secession was wrong but war to prevent secession was also wrong. So he sat and did nothing.

Andrew Johnson vetoed a host of civil rights bills; it is quite likely that if Lincoln had not been murdered, the civil rights of a century of African-Americans would not have been infringed nearly so much. Because of this one man, it took another century. He believed the black man to be obviously inferior and worked hard to prevent equality. He was trampled a bit, I admit, by a congress trying to limit a powerful executive. But this is one of the worst Presidents in the nation's history, and that's saying a lot.

But that brings me to Grover Cleveland, who is my favorite. He was a reformer. In a remarkable four year period, he went from being Mayor of Buffalo, NY to governor of the state to the Presidency, and his first term wasn't bad. Whereas other Presidents used the power of appointments for political reasons, Cleveland based his appointments on merit and ability. Normally, the first thing a new President would do is fire everybody; that way, all his friends get jobs. Cleveland wouldn't fire Republicans who were doing a good job; he hired Democrats when those Republicans retired. He nationalized - seized as government assets - a great deal of important land from those nasty railroads. Cleveland kept the country on the gold standard to keep American currency stable in the eyes of Europe. It can't be argued that the stability of American currency laid the groundwork for the skyrocketing economic growth of the next generation, although it wasn't a causal factor. He too was racist; he wanted to assimilate native Americans and signed in law an act which stated any Chinese immigrant who leaves the country can't come back. He was a conservative, in favor of limited government, and we know what such people are like. But in some ways, he was ahead of his time.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 06:00 PM
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18. I also believe
Andrew Jackson was the only President in U.S. history to ever pay off the national debt and no other President has topped his Inauguration Party at the White House.

Andrew Johnson presided over the the purchase of Alaska; which was a hell of a good deal, even if Caribou Barbie comes with it.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 06:15 PM
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19. One other point, it just occurred to me Andrew Johnson was a Republican not a Democrat,
but thanks for the thread, bluestateguy.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 07:03 PM
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22. Johnson was a Democrat, who broke with the party on account of slavery
while the rest of the Democratic Party went along with the Confederacy.
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Oedipus W. Bush Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 06:48 PM
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20. Abraham Lincoln. n/t
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glen123098 Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 06:56 PM
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21. In the 19th century, I would definately be a republican.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 07:11 PM
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23. Ooofff... Either Cleveland or Van Buren. Van Buren was at least anti-slavery later.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:39 PM
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24. I'll go with Franklin Pierce. Absolutely a disaster politically but
a very compelling human being.

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