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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:00 AM
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"Obama’s A+ in education"


How do you define the success or failure of a presidency? Can you look at a timeline of the four (or eight) years that a president is in office and pinpoint the “Ah! There it is” moment? It may seem readily apparent to state that many people and events contribute to how a presidential administration is perceived — look at Bush the younger, for example. If you think about George W. Bush, you might associate him with 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, the No Child Left Behind Act and the war in Iraq. However, it would be remiss to ignore the fact that, for many administrations, a single event or decision has become the defining factor: Reaganomics, the New Deal, the Gulf War, Watergate, and again, the Iraq War will all live on with their administrations in esteem or infamy.

While he is only two years into his administration, we’re calling it now: barring World War III, “Race to the Top” will be President Obama’s defining moment. Poll any 10 people sitting by you; half of them won’t know what it is.

Race to the Top, a grant competition open to all 50 of the United States for a cut of the $4.3 billion pot, involved two phases (the second of which ended on June 1). The winners will be those officials who provided the best outline for a massive overhaul of the education system in their state. This has included changing the way that teachers are evaluated, the standards by which students are held in certain grade levels, and allowing for alternative forms of education to come into play. In addition to the outline for reform, states must demonstrate that they have taken the necessary steps toward legally implementing the more difficult or controversial aspects of their outlines.

Each state is judged on a 500-point system with criteria judging teacher effectiveness, new achievement and testing standards, the implementation of charter schools, and reform efforts aimed at the lowest-achieving schools. The most important criterion — worth a whopping 138 points — is based on a required change in how teachers are evaluated. The competition calls for previously unprecedented performance-based evaluations, and therein lies the rub.

Five years ago, a prospective teacher would go to school, get certification, and then — after three or so years of satisfactory performance in the classroom — receive tenure. He or she would work a six-hour and 57-and-a-half minute day and get paid based on how many years of work had been completed. It was very difficult to get fired; teacher unions existed mostly to combat rampant discrimination. Recently, things have recently for the better, with equal pay and equal job growth becoming the new norms (and overzealous bureaucratic heckling coming along for the ride).

Now, led by many new alumni from Teach for America, Race to the Top says “no more” to tenure, longer days, and old systems of evaluating performance. It is repealing the need for the teachers’ union, and one example of the usefulness of this is exemplified by the charter school.

In a recent New York Times Magazine story, Steven Brill, co-founder of the “Journalism Online” website and author of The Teamsters (1978), analyzed a comparison of one charter school and one public school in Harlem. The schools shared the same building, including the gymnasium and cafeteria, and often parents had children attending each. The charter started at 7:45 a.m. and ended around 5:30 p.m. Teachers were paid 5 to 10 percent more, but they had to be available by cell phone and were required to meet every Saturday for development training. Thus, because the state spent, in total, $18, 378 per student per year, each student was expected to excel. On the public side, school began at 8:30 a.m. and ended around 4 p.m., teachers were paid 5 to 10 percent less and had no availability requirements, and the state spent $19, 358 per student. At the charter school, 72 percent of children attending were reading at grade level, with only 5 percent below and an astonishing 23 percent above. And the public school? Fifty-one percent of attendees read at grade level, with 49 percent below and no students above grade level.

Same building, same parents, same low-income, gang-afflicted neighborhood — but with much different results. The rally cry from right-wingers tends to favor letting parents teach and choose for their kids. Well, the parents responded: Charter schools work by a lottery, and in Harlem, 14,000 kids tried to get into 2,700 seats.

So now, a little over one week after the close of the second phase, there has been more education reform in this country than in the past 60 years combined. It also required little-to-no legislative effort on the part of the federal government. States decide where to make changes and how to implement their winnings, and Democrats no longer have to choose between getting elected or pissing off the teachers’ union. Fifty years from now (barring World War III), we hope Obama’s time in office will be known as “the education era,” and children around the country will learn about our 43rd president in charter schools.



http://www.dailyiowan.com/2010/06/11/Opinions/17447.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:05 AM
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1. "Democrats no longer have to choose between getting elected or pissing off the teachers’ union."
How about them apples? Just forget about the teachers unions....or any other unions for that matter.

Easier to get elected that way.

Brill is a shill...for charter schools and "reform" advocates.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 02:26 PM
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94. Could you all used some good education news...
Edited on Mon Jun-14-10 02:31 PM by YvonneCa
...from California? ;) I posted this yesterday in the Education Forum:

A positive California primary election outcome uncovered by...

...most of the media. To summarize, the three leading candidates for state education superintendent are Aceves, Torlakson and Romero. Romero pushed the reform legislation in the state senate. Torlakson was favored by CTA (teachers' union) and Aceves is a retired school superintendent. Aceves won and there will be a run-off election in November between him and Torlakson...both of whom would be good choices, IMO. Romero is out(yaaaay!).

I thought maybe we could all use some good news.

Story here:


http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/state_edwatch/2010/06/state_chief_election_results_runoffs_in_calif_and_s_carolina.html


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/10/MNR21DSK08.DTL&type=education#ixzz0qZkYj3UB

I think the debate aired on the California Channel shows why Aceves and Torlakson did well. I'm still looking for a link...



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:08 AM
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2. "pissing off teachers' unions" That gives away the motive..
of the editorial right there.

That one sentence says so much.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:13 AM
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3. It's the level of the education kids gets that matters. Not the union' feelings.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:22 AM
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4. It's the tone of the editorial. It shows scorn for unions.
And that is the view of Arne Duncan, who reflects the views of others around him.

It's okay to "piss" off teachers' unions. Right?

Because all us teachers are falling down on the job, right?

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 06:58 PM
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5. It's ALL YOUR FAULT!
And stop bashing Obama by saying it's not.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:45 PM
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16. That is about the doggone truth.
Teachers are to blame for everything now.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:47 PM
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17. Scapegoat du jour.
And it's so easy for people to go along with it.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:54 PM
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107. the current ed "reform" isn't about children.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 07:40 PM
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6. Public Education is one of Obama's most spectacular failures.
Appointing Duncan. Making enemies out of educators. Privatization. Union Busting. Corporate whoring. Instituting a competition for funding that requires that public education shoot itself to be in the running.

NCLB on steroids.

If public education ever recovers from the beating it's taken since Reagan, it won't be because of Barack Obama.

Ronald Reagan would be proud.



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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 08:30 PM
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8. By any chance are you a teacher? LOL NT
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 08:45 PM
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10. Are you by any chance a libertarian?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:06 PM
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14. I am.
Please continue.
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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:41 AM
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18. continue what? Teachers seem to be the only people complaining about his edu policies. nt
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:47 AM
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22. And that's surprising because?
I mean, who would be the ones having to implement those policies?
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:28 AM
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25. I'm a parent not a teacher.
And I've complained quite a bit.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:21 AM
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26. Maybe that's because we're EDUCATORS
and know a thing or two about pedagogy. Arne is not a teacher and doesn't have a clue what teaching is all about - lesson planning, assessments (real ones, not the bubblicious ones he advocates), objectives, classroom management, record keeping, differentiated instruction, parent communication, etc. Schools are not factories, they are living breathing organisms. Those in the trenches of education know this. Arne is an education dilettante who knows nothing.

Arne's "solution" is simplistic at best and demonic at worst.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:43 AM
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32. This assumption is based on what facts?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:18 PM
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38. LOL ok, that cracked me up.
you think the only people affected are the teachers?
when the solution to low scores is fire every single teacher and Obama calls that progress?

and then they hire them all back, breaking the back of the Union, and Obama says nothing?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:05 PM
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41. Are you from the south?
The only people happy with the planned demise of the
public school system are segregationists.
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:05 PM
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50. Exactly. Tens of millions of parents and guardians are voting
with their feet and moving their kids out of public education, or not enrolling them in public ed in the first place. Most teachers would prefer the status quo, as opposed to someone addressing this train wreck. They like to portray this as a left-right, conservative-liberal battle; it's not. Nothing could be further from the truth. Apparently they feel they are the only employees in America who should be exempt from accountability. Don't get me wrong, it's not all teachers; in fact I hear from plenty of teachers on DU who are fully supportive of reform. The dinosaurs and under-performers are the ones scared to death of reform; though they don't say that. They say their only concern "is for the children". Right. They're willing to accept a 30 percent failure rate in many urban districts, then turn around and expect people to believe their primary concern is children. What a crock.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:24 AM
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54. I know that all too well!
Here I am in my 50s and I still got a bad case of PTSD when I went to vote last Tuesday and I saw the school bond proposal on the ballot. Right then I had severe flashbacks of the way I was tortured in high school. Remembering teachers calling me "Stupid", "Dummy", "Moron" and of course the racial slurs heaped on top of that because I was a kid with an Afro. High school was 4 years of unrelenting hell, precipitated by teachers and football coaches who openly encouraged bullies to beat me.

The happiest day of my life was when I graduated from that torture chamber. The day I walked out of that prison for the last time, I felt like a Jew who was able to walk out of Auschwitz. You cannot ask me to have any desire to lift a finger to help a school. It took a good 10 minutes to stop shaking and compose myself before I punched the NO on the bond request.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 09:57 AM
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55. Wow. That's pretty sad.
That's a whole lotta bitter to be hanging on to for 30 years.
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:33 AM
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57. And there are thousands of similar torture chambers still in
operation all these years later. Nothing has changed; in fact it's gotten worse - much worse. But that'w what many teachers want to see continue - they're hellbent on stopping any reform. They've had decades to improve their system; they chose not to. Now, when the public (read taxpayers - of all political persuasions) are fed up and disgusted with public education, they cop a "Who me? Why are you mad at me?" attitude. Their "You can't hold us accountable" attitude quickly wears thin too. Yes, we can hold them accountable, and we're going to.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:55 AM
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58. Interesting.
We've already closed and reopened all of our schools. Lots of staff and admin left during the process because that's not what they wanted to do. The one's who wanted to stay and make things better have stayed. Our student satisfaction is in the 90s; parent satisfaction is even higher.

But because our test scores haven't skyrocketed (though they are going up gradually - our ACT scores are finally approaching state average for the first time since I've been here - 15 years), we still face another "turnaround" because of NCLB. So . . . do we close our schools AGAIN and get rid of everyone? Just after we've finally got things moving?

I know it's easy to focus on just the big urban school districts - I can't begin to speak for them. But there are an awful lot of us urban fringe districts who are thrown in the same boat as the Chicagos and the Philadelphias, in spite of everything we've done and continue to do.

BTW, we just got news that all of our seniors in the School for the Arts were accepted to four-year universities. Not that they'll all go, of coure, but that's a door that's open to them. I can tell you that five years ago, we were lucky to get 20% of our kids accepted into anything but community college. And THAT was with remedial work. So we are working and changing, but NCLB makes NO DISTINCTION on that - it's determined by TEST SCORES ONLY. And only one one test - CSAP. That's just unfair and unfortunate.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 02:15 PM
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91. AND donco6, many teachers were involved in being FOR CHANGE and...
...AGAINST the STATUS QUO during the 90's until now. We have BEEN supportive of the change and of school restructuring. We used to say it was like trying to change the tires on a bus that was still moving down the road...hard work, but worth it. But we cared enough about the students to DO the hard work and TAKE the 'slings and arrows' of our opposition. Some unions joined the fight with us.

Thanks to NCLB, we have now been pushed out, fired and disrespected...as if we never did anything for our kids. That's unconscionable, IMO.

I am glad to hear of your successes, donco6. Even in this environment...when few will understand what that accomplishment took or recognize educators for it...some of us KNOW. Congratulations. :)
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:02 PM
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61. You apparently don't understand teachers' positions on accountability
Accountability systems need to be fair. The current proposals are not fair and are based on one test. In general, teachers are advocating for a more comprehensive evaluation system.

You are making very broad statements about education that demonizes all teachers and placing the blame solely on teachers, not on the politicians that set state standards, make goofy rules, impose unfunded mandates, and chronically underfund public education. You are not holding parents responsible for getting their kids to school, emphasizing the importance of education, limiting extracurrcicular activities (TV, video games, etc.), and insisting that homework get done. You are not holding administrators responsible for creating a climate of safety, support services, educational excellence, and leadership. Finally, you aren't holding students responsible for learning, for doing their homework, focusing, turning off the damn cell phone in class, and caring.

The education equation has many dimensions. Holding only factor accountable will hardly be effective and is decidedly unfair. That is why teachers opposed the kind of accountability Obama-Duncan advocate.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:38 PM
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63. I had a public education experience that I wouldn't trade for about anything
does that offset your experience?

I know people that would echo your feelings, more that are kinda meh, a lot that feel positively but aren't over the moon, and some that think, like me that it was a great foundation and are thankful for those years and to the teachers that help guide us through those formative years.

I'm just saying that one person's experience shouldn't dictate policy and when changes are made they should address specific problems rather than a throw your hands up and start flinging shit to see what might stick.

I think a revolution in the way we do business in education should be brought on but Obama and Arne aren't changing the 30 in a room and pitch down the middle bullshit approach but rather jacking around with incentives, union busting, and turning over the commons to irresponsible and self interested corporate hacks that want more dumbing down and less critical thinking rather than more.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:55 AM
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71. An analogous story.
Meet Joe Brown. Joe has worked for BP for decades as a drill rig worker. Joe had his chances to change the way BP did business but he didn't. He just wanted to keep the status quo. Sure there were blow outs and problems but Joe did nothing about them. And now look at the train wreck that is the Deepwater Horizon disaster. Joe had his chance and what did Joe do? Nothing. Now it's time to privatize BP and let the stockholders have their say.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:42 PM
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105. Bullshit.
Teachers aren't against reform. We're against BAD reform. Because we've spent careers dealing with it. Reforms from politicians don't benefit public education. Teachers aren't at the table when it comes to deciding how to reform the system. IF WE WERE, WE'D SEE IMMEDIATE POSITIVE CHANGE in dysfunctional structures and policies, without privatizing, union-busting, or eroding public education.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #54
62. You are comparing public schools to the Holocaust? Really?
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:58 AM
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72. Gee,
Do you vote on every issue based on what happened in your childhood, whether or not it has anything to do with the current situation?


What am I saying? Of course you do. You just said so.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:51 AM
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100. So it's all about YOU, then?
Sigh.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:12 PM
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66. "plenty of teachers on DU who are fully supportive of reform"?!?!?
Okay. Name one. Cause I've been here almost 7 years and I sure don't know "plenty".
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:43 PM
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106. We're all supportive of POSITIVE reform. That's just not what Obama/Duncan have on the table. nt
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #18
99. And doctors and nurses are complaining about his health care policies
In other words, the people who actually know something. Duh.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #18
110. I am not a teacher.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 02:12 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
Hell, I don't even have a kid to put in school.

I am 100% against what is nothing more than the privatization of the American education system.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:05 PM
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45. Damn straight I'm a teacher.
Who would know best the effects policy has on the front lines?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:15 AM
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102. "LOL!"
:eyes:
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 02:32 PM
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95. I'm not a teacher and I can plainly see Obama has been a FAILURE on the education front.
I can't believe we are actually having the debate on DU over funding public education vs. privatization. what a joke.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:15 AM
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101. "LOL" what? Some "lefty".
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:50 PM
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13. arne duncan=margaret spellings in drag
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:16 AM
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30. "Public Education is one of Obama's most spectacular failures." You are correct. n/t
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 08:21 PM
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7. my charter school took us out to join in picket lines...
.... crazy place.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 08:42 PM
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9. "Performance-based evaluations": what a joke.
It makes smart people not want to become teachers. Longer days because there is so much to learn! More bullshit. I could go on, but fuck it.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:16 PM
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15. Our school district wanted to include student evaluations of
teacher performances in an evaluation system. So the students who had no dinner or breakfast, got the heck kicked out of them last night by mom's crack head boyfriend, and came in to school, shall we say "cranky" and ready to kill anything in sight, would be part of the determination of how well one can teach. This is the result of an elected school board with absolutely no requirement that they know anything at all about education...just how to get elected!
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:17 AM
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21. Amazing.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
46. Any kid living in that kind of environment should be taken away by the county child welfare
authorities.

No child in American should have to live under those conditions.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 05:11 PM
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65. Yeah, and everyone should have free health care, too.
We do report these things. But within a few weeks the kid is back at home with the same crackhead mom and nutjob boyfriend. I'm not sure I can blame social services either, they don't have nearly enough foster homes (good ones), and no kid wants to go to a group home - they can be as brutal as regular home. So they wind up back with mom. Just THIS time, they keep their mouth shut so they don't get sent away. That's all they learn from that experience.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:02 AM
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73. I agree - no child should have to live like that.
So lets; shut down the war on drugs that rewards and creates criminals, cut the military budget by at least 50%, get special interests completely out of politics even if that means impeaching the law firm of Scalia, Roberts etc., and tax the uber rich at rates that at least equal the middle class.

Then we will have the money to deal with the problem.

But creating an opening for corporations to take control of public education is NOT the solution.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 02:20 PM
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92. No child should have to, but...
...they do. Sometimes people who live a fair life don't realize that not everyone else does. I wish there was more of that 'empathy' thing...but then President Obama would just get attacked for it again. When will people wake up?
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:41 PM
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11. This person knows ZERO about public schools. This line is...
Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 10:47 PM by YvonneCa
...'priceless':

"The most important criterion — worth a whopping 138 points — is based on a required change in how teachers are evaluated. The competition calls for previously unprecedented performance-based evaluations, and therein lies the rub."

Unprecedented performance evaluations? Teachers are always evaluated on their performance...regularly.

What is different with RTTT is the 138 points is awarded for judging that performance by the STUDENTS' performance...not the teacher's. The idea is to incent teachers to 'try harder' or 'work harder' as a way to get better public schools. RTTT incents the wrong person. Teachers already work hard. Here are a couple of things...written by others...to consider:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=219x25515


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=219x25505


And BTW...if anyone wonders...I'm still counting on Obama to get this right.


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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #11
31. Teachers are barely evaluated.
In most states, 95+% get automatically evaluated as satisfactory or better. That's not evaluation - that's a rubber stamp.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:50 AM
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34. IF teachers were "barely evaluated"
Then it is an administrative issue not an issue of the teacher's. To penalize teachers and claim it's because their supervisor isn't evaluating them enough is foolishness.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 07:42 AM
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68. Why is it "penalizing" teachers to evaluate them objectively? (nt)
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. It isn't and that's not what I said.
Edited on Mon Jun-14-10 10:07 AM by Fearless
I said that if we're looking to ensure that all teachers are adequately evaluated on a fair and useful standard which promotes student progress, identifies areas of concern, creates a plan for rectifying these concerns with the teacher, charts progress toward goals based on these concerns, and successfully turns ineffective practice into strong practice, then we need to look at administrators' practices. Too much emphasis is put on teachers' performance, particularly in terms of student achievement, currently. Simply put, a VAST majority of bad practices in the classroom are completely unknown to the teacher themselves. Data shows that VERY FEW teachers are knowingly incompetent. Instead of trying to "catch bad teachers" or whatever the buzz words that are being used in your area, we should be helping well-intentioned teachers (of mediocre, average, and excellent quality) improve their practice in the classroom. This process begins with administration and cannot be accomplished by penalizing teachers for practices they were taught or that they don't know they are doing in the classroom. Administrators need to shift the focus in the school away from the concept of "island" teachers, where each person enters there classroom and receive no help or advice from other teacher or the administration. Administrators need to create an atmosphere of continued learning within the school not only for students but also for teachers where good practices are passed on from teacher to teacher and bad practices are weeded out in nonthreatening and non-penalizing ways. There is a book you might find helpful...

Revisiting Professional Learning Communities at Work: New Insights for Improving Schools by DuFour, DuFour, and Eaker

Which is available for purchase at: http://www.amazon.com/Revisiting-Professional-Learning-Communities-Work/dp/1934009385/ref=sr_1_2/185-9569778-9107222?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276526899&sr=1-2

If you are interested in changing the "blame the teacher's" game, which is going on in the public school system today it provides a reasoned alternative. It is a hefty read but you may find it useful.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #70
80. How do we determine which teachers need help without tying evaluation to student performance?
Or do you propose to just blindly help all teachers without any regard for what their actual, specific needs might be (which I might add, IS the current system)?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:22 AM
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82. We should always be helping all teachers become better instructors, yes.
Edited on Mon Jun-14-10 10:30 AM by Fearless
Good teachers can always improve too, just the same as bad ones. However, we need to re-frame what improvement means. Currently, improvement means that you are being penalized for a bad practice (minute or large). This is not the message we need to be sending our teachers, that we are punishing them for a bad job. We are not and should not. Doing so, as Arne Duncan wants, is detrimental to student learning because it unfairly targets teachers who are unknowingly offering bad practices in the classroom with the best of intentions. This idea is key. No teacher goes into teaching to be a bad teacher. But sometimes along the way, just as a writer needs eyes to look at their work, so do teachers. But these eyes need constructive criticism not pink slips.

I specifically mentioned looking for areas of unknown weakness within a teacher's practice, whether they are mediocre, good, or excellent instructors. DuFour, DuFour and Eaker, in the book I provided you, change the mentality from accusatory in nature towards teacher improvement to one of a professional learning community where all members are constantly trying to actively improve their practice in the classroom and in the school.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #68
87. How is it objective to leave out variables...
...like, for instance, poverty?
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #34
75. Bam
Right on target. IF evaluations suck then blame the administrators. In my 10 years teaching award winning programs in 3 states I never once met an administrator I would pee on if they were on fire. They were all incompetant in the extreme. BTW I went on to administer a national music grant program and I currently run a medical clinic. I know what good administration looks like. I have zero turnover in my company and it has been that way for over 10 years.


Blaming students or teachers is like saying a rape victim had it coming. They are all powerless against administrators. And some think that turning public education is going to 'solve' the problem. You may as well put BP in charge of ... oh wait.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:34 AM
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84. I would only add...
That I don't look to blame administrators either. The blame game is childish. We must look out for student learning and progress alone and leave our hurt feelings and biases out of the equation (not you the poster, but teachers and administrators). We can't be muddled down in blame instead we need to work together, using data driven practices, to improve learning, instruction for learning, and administration for instruction for learning, to better cater to our students' needs, strengths and weaknesses.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #31
47. Nick, you've got the lines...
...down pretty well...
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #47
67. NCES has the data on it down pretty well too.
Care to question that?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #67
74. I'm curious about the data. Would it be possible to provide it? n/t
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #74
76. The site is nces.ed.gov
I don't have the time to plumb it for the right table, but you can root around to find it. It's got a lot of great education data, generally.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:12 AM
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79. You're asking me to look through the entire website for the Nat'l Center for Educational Statistics
To prove your point for you? I don't mean to sound condescending, but that's just silly.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #79
81. I know it's a pain in the ass.
If I had the time, I'd go build a table for you, but I simply don't. Do with the information what you will, but let's be honest - what would you do with the information one way or another? You have your position and you're not going to change it, and I've got mine. We both know that.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:30 AM
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83. We do both have our positions...
Out of a desire for mutual understanding I asked for your data. I'm curious. I can understand that you don't have enough time to go looking for this data now, but I also recognize that if we are going to discuss our beliefs then we should provide our data to back it up. The book I suggested and the studies it reviews contains much of mine. It too is a hefty read, but it could prove an invaluable tool for you in the future.

Revisiting Professional Learning Communities at Work: New Insights for Improving Schools by DuFour, DuFour, and Eaker

Which is available for purchase at: http://www.amazon.com/Revisiting-Professional-Learning-Communities-Work/dp/1934009385/ref=sr_1_2/185-9569778-9107222?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276526899&sr=1-2

If in the future you do have the time to look for your data, I would be very interested in getting the chance to see it.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #81
108. you've got the time to fart around here, but not to post any evidence for your claims? lol.
here's some evidence against your claims:

Stanford PACE Study, 2003

-- 48% of charter teachers have no teaching certificate
-- average instructor teaches 20% more students than do traditional public school teachers
-- black students more segregated than in traditional public schools (80% v. 54%)
-- predominately black charters receive lower funding than comparable traditional schools

http://ed.stanford.edu/suse/news-bureau/displayRecord.p...


Stanford Center for Research on Educational Outcomes 2009

-- covered 70% of nation's charter students
-- 37% worse outcomes in than comparable public schools, 17% better, rest the same
-- on average charter students showed drop in academic growth
-- 6 states had lower gains v. public schools, 5 higher gains, 4 same as public schools
-- elementary + middle school students had slightly higher gains, high school/mixed level significantly worse
-- minority students (black, latino) did worse than comparable public school students
-- first year charters' results ranged from "poor" to "very poor".

http://epicpolicy.org/files/TTR-MIRON-CREDO-FINAL.pdf



UCLA Civil Rights Project 2010

-- analysis of federal data from 40 states + DC
-- charter schools = more segregated than traditional public schools "by race, class, and possibly language in virtually every state and large metropolitan area in the country."

http://www.civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/news/pressreleas...



Chicago Public Schools Renaissance 2010 (charter school) initiative, once touted as a miracle, now revealed to be a fraud:

A Tribune analysis shows that in Renaissance 2010 elementary schools, an average of 66.7 percent of students passed the 2009 Illinois Standards Achievement Test, identical to the district rate.

The Ren10 high school passing rate was slightly lower on state tests than the district as a whole -- 20.5 percent compared with 22.8 percent.

Only a quarter of Renaissance 2010 schools had test scores high enough to meet the federal goals set by No Child Left Behind, the signature education policy of the George W. Bush administration.

Chicago students as a whole still post some of the lowest test scores on national math and reading exams.

http://mobile.chicagotribune.com/inf/infomo?view=top_st...


Plus which there's the little matter of mass layoffs of black (middle-class) teachers in chicago: 10% drop.

THE MAIN AVENUE FOR KIDS TO RAISE SCHOOL SCORES IS THEIR FAMILY'S CLASS STATUS. Laying off the black middle class = more black kids in trouble.

Same in New Orleans: BLACK TEACHERS HAVE BEEN THE PRIMARY CASUALTIES. 80% of the city's teachers were black, they fired them *all* & only rehired some. because 22-year-old white ivy leaguers know so much more about teaching black kids, doncha know.



University of Minnesota Law School Institute on Race & Poverty 2010: Much-touted New orleans "reform" also a failure, =

-- more segregation (race + class), no difference in results

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...



Milwaukie voucher system: after two decades & two studies showing failure, even the wingers concede:

“The two most recent studies show that, since the implementation of the voucher program, reading scores across all Milwaukee schools are falling.” Howard Fuller, patron saint of the voucher program, has wryly acknowledged, “I think that any honest assessment would have to say that there hasn’t been the deep, wholesale improvement in MPS that we would have thought.”

http://www.american.com/archive/2008/september-october-...


chile's school vouchers: fail: Chang-Tai Hsieh and Miguel Urguiola find evidence that in Chile school vouchers caused schools to compete for the best students rather than compete to deliver better education.


http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2003/10/adverse_res...


compete for the best students v. educate all students is precisely the capitalist way. not cost effective to educate all people, since only a fraction are going to be working in anything that demands book-learning or higher-level skills -- in the new international neo-lib economy.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8472465
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #67
78. Post a link.
IF you're are going to bring data to the table to counter decades of experience, then you better pony up a link.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #67
88. There was a saying back when I first...
...took computer programming classes...GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out). I've seen the data collection process up close and personal...much of it is garbage.

Ed.gov is not an objective site. They have a mission to implement Obama's Ed. Reform plan. Why would I trust their data? My old statistics professor always said you could make data show/support anything you want...

I'm pretty clear on the goal of Ed.Gov.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #31
77. To what do you base this BS claim on.
Care to pony up something remotely resembling facts?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #31
111. I don't know about anyone else's evaluations. They're private.
I'm not sure where you get "95%+" when teacher evaluations aren't public. I do know that different districts evaluate differently, having worked in more than one state and more than one district.

Are you needing to see some % of teachers get poor evaluations? If so, why? Why are you so sure that most teachers aren't satisfactory? The licensing process weeds out MANY, imo MOST, of the weaker teaching candidates.

It's true that my evaluations have always been satisfactory or better. But then, I'm good at what I do. Why would I expect less?

I had a new principal this last year. He did no formal observations, but dropped by my room frequently. I didn't think he had any idea what I was doing with all of my time, but his evaluation said differently. He noticed things people usually don't. And yes, I had an outstanding evaluation. But then, I earned it.

There are mechanisms in place in every district for poor evaluations. They don't usually include instant firing, or announcing a poor evaluation to the public. It usually starts with a list of improvements to be made, and possibly a mentor and/or a way of tracking those improvements. Those also aren't public.

I often think what really bothers some of the public is that their complaints don't result in public action against a teacher. Personnel actions and decisions are private. Parent complaints can be legitimate; I've never seen, in 27 years, 2 states, large and small districts and MANY site admins, those legitimate complaints go ignored, even if the results weren't public.

I had a strong parent complaint this year. It didn't go any farther than myself; I work hard to keep doors open to parents to come to me with any concerns, and this one did. She was furious. Why? Because I was teaching a state history content standard about the rise of Islam. She didn't want any neutral presentation. They're all terrorists, you know. She was satisfied because I let her vent all she wanted, and gently showed her the state standard I'm required to teach.

Since I teach in a rural, fundie, hard-core right-wing area, I'm open to a lot of parent distrust, suspicion, and complaint. It's a cultural thing; anti-intellectualism, distrust of any government body including schools, and dislike of dealing with a strong female that isn't submissive. It's to my credit that I don't get more complaints; I work hard to build bridges.

EVERY teacher, even the best, will have a few parents that don't like them; there is no such thing as pleasing everyone. The funny thing is that students and families who don't like teacher A may love teacher B, while students and families who don't like teacher B may love teacher A. Those preferences are subjective and have no place in teacher evaluations. Some of the public don't want to "get" that; they want built in scapegoats for their own dysfunctions.

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:43 PM
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12. You're Funny
:rofl: :popcorn:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:35 AM
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19. the final phase of education reform: Enron Elementary
schools that don't actually exist but still manage to funnel billions into corporate coffers.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:38 AM
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20. this article is a good example of why teachers and parents should not give a penny to
Obama's PAC, the DLC, DNC, DCCC, or DSCC.

If the Democratic Party as a whole is going to pursue the same corrupt education policy as the GOP, we cannot trust them with our campaign donation, and should only give to progressive candidates and groups until the Democratic Party gets their head out of Wall Street's ass.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:52 AM
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35. Shouldn't and won't. And now with the AFL-CIO crap... They're really in touch with voters now!
:eyes:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:38 AM
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23. None of this is a measure of "effective" for education.
until you prove that kids are performing better under this plan.

there's scant proof - if any - that kids will perform better, and schools will suffer less. So what's the point of all this reform?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #23
109. plenty of evidence against it, though:
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Turk 182 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:12 AM
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24. I've said it before
I’m tired of this teacher bashing by those who know nothing about teaching except they were once in school. Its like me claiming to be an expert on car repair because I drive one.
Let’s be honest. There are great teachers, good teachers, and some bad ones too. The percentage of each is about the same as every other profession on the planet: plumbers, cops, mechanics, butchers, bakers, and candle stick makers. We are people just like you, and most of us want to do a good job. Unfortunately, we usually don’t see the results of our efforts for years, and we have NO Control over the quality of the raw materials we get to work with.
If you build cars, you know very quickly whether it’s a good one or a lemon, and if you get a shipment of bad parts, you can send them back to the manufacturer to be replaced. PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND TEACHERS CAN’T DO THAT. To whom do we send these children back? “Are there no prisons, are there no workhouses”?
PUBLIC EDUCATION and UNION WAGES have provided the upward mobility for generations of immigrants, and created the strong middle class that made this country the great economic engine it was in the twentieth century.
A free public education is necessary for democracy to thrive. Without it, we perpetuate a two class system in which those with money get a good education in elite private schools and become the ruling class, and those without get whatever is deemed “necessary” by the rulers, thus creating a permanent “under“ class: Under- educated, under-paid, and under the heel of the rich and powerful.
We are careening full speed rearward on the road back to the nineteenth century, and unfortunately, this administration is now leading the charge with RTTT



Follow the link to see how effective "bonuses" really are. MIT study.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc&feature=player_embedded
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:52 AM
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27. Great big gigantic unrec and an F
If I want to read shit like this I'll go over to the Chamber of Commerce chat boards.

:puke:
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. You and me both
on the first part. ;-)
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:52 AM
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28. these "reforms" will drive a lot of really good people
away from the teaching profession. Teaching is an extremely difficult job, and it's getting A LOT tougher. I'm getting out while I'm still young enough to make a decent career change. Thanks Barack. Another good teacher bites the dust.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:57 AM
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29. We lost a great young teacher because of salary
He just couldn't make it financially on his salary. He was a good guy, smart and well-versed in his subject, and was such a good role model for the boys. He had great rapport with everyone, great classroom management, great ideas, and a great sense of humor. He was great, great I tell you.

Our loss will be even greater.
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:05 PM
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37. I met a woman this week who just finished her credential.
She's going to work at a charter school with no tenure, and they're making her earn her PhD. They even tried to get her to get the PhD at a new, unacredited school owned by the same people who own the school where she's going to teach. in other words, they tried to force her to give her salary back in exchange for a bogus degree. School hours are 7:15 to 3:15. All teachers start at the same pay regardless of experience. She said it's a really competitive environment and she feels like she'll have to do all kinds of coaching and extracurricular stuff to keep her job.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:50 PM
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43. One of my co-workers who just finished his second year teaching is going to a charter
where he will be Director of Math Instruction.

Two years teaching, no masters degree and he's basically in charge of the entire Math department in a high school???

Oh and he's a Teach for America trainee.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:47 AM
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33. Anyone who thinks teachers work 6hrs. 57 1/2 minutes a day, ought to be slapped silly.
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 11:48 AM by Fearless
And that ain't the half of the misinformation this article claims to be truth.


All I'll say is find me data showing that this program is working and I'll show you a charter school filled by selective enrollment.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:54 AM
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36. Touché Fearless (nt)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:40 PM
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39. I went to a public magnet school, and the teachers and admins were rotated in from regular schools
So essentially, same teachers, but dramatically different results because the magnet school got to choose which kids to let in, and could always threaten kids with being sent back to their neighborhood school, which lead to very few behavior problems.

It's not the teachers, it's the rules, class size, problems the kids bring with them, and, most contrary to education ''reform'' dogma, it's micromanaging by politicians and parents to insure that no one is ever offended and therefore no one is ever interested.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:46 PM
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48. +1
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:59 AM
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60. Data on charter school performance is dependent upon this feature.
They can show increased scores because they have the power to remove all data points that threaten that increase. Public schools - not only can they not to that, they have to take all the data points from other schools and include them as their own - even if they had nothing to do with their education to that point.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 04:51 PM
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64. +1
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 02:21 PM
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93. ...
...:7 Yep.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:30 PM
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42. Ahhh. The neocon dream is strong in this one.
All the lies have hatched into this mind. It has been a while since a DU OP gave such a shuddering orgasm to gomer norquist. When he can speak again he will thank you for your gullibility and your easily manipulated mind.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:18 PM
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44. Please I like Obama too but race to the top is no better than NCLB
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 05:18 PM by craigmatic
The only difference between the 2 is than No child left behind punishes schools that don't do well and are already underfunded while Obama's program makes schools compete for funding niether one works well.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:53 PM
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49. Education?
Obama=Duncan= F-
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:30 PM
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51. The last line is hilarious.
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 10:31 PM by Starry Messenger
Why is this right wing crap still open on DU? It's all so obviously from some charter school shill. If someone wants to educate their kid in some McSchool© that's their choice. But eliminating the teachers unions to "compete" and draining the public coffers of unaccountable monies is Republican BS.


It is repealing the need for the teachers’ union,



This line posted on a so-called Democratic website? Pathetic.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:26 PM
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52. It might not matter to many here, the the state of Iowa has had
very good and consistent rankings when it comes to public schools.

http://www.psk12.com/rating/USindexphp/STATE_IA.html
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 01:07 AM
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53. As long as Arne Dunacn is his education secretary, Obama can forget anything from me in 2012.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:35 AM
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85. As well as his policies on education. +1
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:56 AM
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56. "It is repealing the need for the teachers’ union" We are now attacking unions?
"Now, led by many new alumni from Teach for America, Race to the Top says “no more” to tenure, longer days, and old systems of evaluating performance. It is repealing the need for the teachers’ union, and one example of the usefulness of this is exemplified by the charter school."


Teach for America only requires 2 years in teaching. Yet they are firing teachers to make room for TFA new teachers who are cheaper and will leave and make room for more new teachers.

This is killing the careers of many people who got in because they love children, and it is turning kids over to private companies who want to do things cheaper.

We are celebrating the death of unions here now?

And no one dares speak out without consequence?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:58 AM
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59. Shhhhh . . . you'll get us all in trouble.
It's best to lie low and don't rock the boat, mad. I'm sure it'll all be made right after the 2012 elections. You have to be PATIENT. YOu have to kill the whale to save it. It's just a two-minute song. It's only prayer. We have to save Wall Street to save ourselves. blah blah blah

And if you need a :sarcasm:, . . .
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:13 AM
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69. What a crock of BS.
In our city the economics of the area are fully reflected in how well the kids do with the test. If the Obama Administration wanted to do something that actually would affect the kids in most of these failing schools, it would be to work to eliminate the cause which is POVERTY. Maybe he could do something about stopping the outsourcing of jobs to start with so these people can make a descent living. Charter schools for the disadvantaged are nothing more than a Trojan Horse that is ultimately designed to provide public funding for religious schools.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 11:10 AM
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89. + 1,000,000 nt
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 10:45 AM
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86. Six hour work-day! What a laugh.
Don't forget one whole weekend day---worked as needed.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 11:15 AM
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90. Only one weekend day?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 08:04 PM
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97. I did 12 hours a day all year long this last year trying to avoid
the weekend day. It helped a little, but didn't exempt me completely from working at home, too.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 02:37 PM
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96. Hooray For Union-Busting!!!1!
oh wait i thought this was freepville. my bad.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 11:55 PM
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98. Never thought I'd see advocacy for charter schools on a board like this
"Fifty years from now (barring World War III), we hope Obama’s time in office will be known as “the education era,” and children around the country will learn about our 43rd president in charter schools."
I'm supposed to cheer this??
Are you fucking kidding me?
What rabbit hole did I fall down to find myself in a world where Democrats support the privatization of education??
One more example of what a miserable failure the Democrats have become.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:53 AM
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103. So long as the headline is "Obama Good" some will post anything
I think he could drop a nuclear bomb on Tehran and some here would say "attaboy". In fact I am sure of it.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:37 PM
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104. It sure seems that way. nt
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 06:34 PM
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112. I stand with Madfloridian, Proud2BlibKansan, LWolf,
and all public school teachers. What is happening to our public schools and the scapegoating of our teachers is a travesty. The Obama/Duncan education plan seems like a right-wingers education wet dream to me.

As a paraeducator and parent of elementary age children, I am deeply concerned and royally pissed off at what is happening. :grr:




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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:03 PM
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113. Thank you, emmadoggy.
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