"He's Not Perfect....!"

[FrenchieCat]

And neither has any other President ever,

and neither is any other politician,

and neither are we!

Why that disclaimer that Obama isn't perfect has to be used with this President all of the time, I'll never know!

No one should have ever expected perfection,
and I don't see the reason why anyone has to be reminded of this.

What he is, is a damn sight better than any President that we've had in a long ass time.
So yeah.....one can find a lot to be displeased about, if that is what one chooses to do.


I see a lot to be pleased about, and so I'm good for now! :patriot:

[Better Today]

1. Whose asking for perfection? Just a reasonable facsimile of what Candidate Obama

presented would be fine, but he's turned tail and embraced nearly every Republican talking point regarding how to resolve the issues we face. That's not a lack of perfection, that we who are angry are noticing.

[FrenchieCat]

2. That's exactly what you got, a "reasonable" facismile.

Candidate Obama asked that we help, and that it would be a steep climb,
and that we wouldn't always agree with everything,
and that it might take one term or maybe longer,
but that we would get there.


Sounds like you have selective memory of Candidate Obama.

I'm angry at those who fucking first reasoned that they were gonna just "Hold his feet to the fire" starting inauguration day.....then said that he was really saying..."Make me do it".....
now as the election come near, some have decided to just burn the house down.

These are the folks who ain't lifted a finger to assist Pres. Obama in anyway,
other than to serve up criticism, day after day after day after day.

[Better Today]

3. Bullshit. You live in such a dream world.

[FrenchieCat]

5. No. In the dream world, some think they are perfect.

I don't think that.

[Better Today]

6. In your dream world, the president is imperfectly perfect. Get over it, see reality, see how his

lack of commitment to his promises are continuing the same or worse policies for

the unemployed and underemployed,

LGBTs

homeowners,

unions,

teachers,

healthcare workers and healthcare recipients,

House Democrats,

whistle blowers,

peace activists,

AND YET THEY ARE BOONS FOR

any large corporation, and corporate executives,

big banks,

insurance corporations,

healthcare conglomerates,

Blue Dog Democrats,

war mongers and their related (and proven) disreputable contractors,


Frenchie, I'm sorry, but you live in a dream world if you think Obama is extending anything resembling a Democratic agenda.

[NJmaverick]

8. The facts show the President has kept an impressive 119 promises

and with reform passing in the next day or two that number is going to increase substantially

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

[Better Today]

12. Okay so I went and read, and I stand by my position. He hasn't kept but

four of the most important 25, and of those four, one was to increase the war in Afghanistan, and one is to do a "review" of mandated sentences which isn't completed, but is in the works, and one more was one of the only decent parts of the Health insurance mandate bill, which for the most part is a giveaway to insurance corps.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/politifacts-top-promises/?page=1

Time to take of your rose colored glasses and read everything, not just those things the tickle your love of the president.

[NJmaverick]

13. Those numbers are going to drastically improve with the passage of finance reform

[Better Today]

14. You mean the bill that every respectable economist says will do nothing

to stop "too big to fail," or the next crash. You are so in another dimension.

[NJmaverick]

15. No, I mean the bill that just passed the Senate today

[Better Today]

17. And it's different from the one being discussed at length lately how?

[NJmaverick]

18. While it has been discussed at length, you claims and conclusions

are not the general consensus

[zipplewrath]

20. There isn't a general concensus

I'm fairly neutral on the bill. It rests heavily upon regulations that haven't been written yet. But I find no concensus amongst the various factions that it will or won't accomplish its goals. About the only concensus is that it is weaker than most of the original proposals. Whether that is "too weak" remains to be seen. The markets don't seem to concerned about it.

[Oregone]

9. The straw man I like to scream at

[RichGirl]

24. Being a candidate and being a president....

... are two different jobs and world's apart. It's like becoming a parent, you plan, listen to others, but can't know what it will be like.

I recently heard an interview with Barbara Marx Hubbard...when asked, why doesn't Obama end the war. She said a president can't do it...they have too much opposition. She said that if the Dalai Lama himself were the president, he couldn't end the war.

I think we would all appreciate the president a lot more, if we understood that he's not a candidate anymore. I am sure he would like to do all the things he said he would do...but never expected that he would have both hands and a leg tied behind his back.

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[NJmaverick]

7. K & R!

:hi: :hi:

[Soylent Brice]

10. .

[Phx_Dem]

11. Me too, Frenchie, me too!!

[Lifelong Protester]

16. I'm with you

Are there improvements to be made? Sure, but I think one of the problems we face in this country is the desire for instant results.

It took 8 years to build this pile of sh**, it will take at least that to take that pile down. Much less get the progressive agenda put forth.

[zipplewrath]

19. False dichotomy

Your entire post rests upon a false dichotomy, a straw man really, pick your logical fallicy. Perfection isn't being demanded by anyone. People have legitimate reasons for being disappointed in the person the elected president.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. cos he is the current president. just as i am sure in the 90's we woudl be criticizing clinton

for being the president he was.

[sabrina 1]

22. Who asked for perfection?

Do you have a link or something? What prompted this OP? Even Candidate Obama wasn't perfect, but he had some great ideas.

Eg, I loved that he was so different from McCain on Offshore drilling.

And I cheered when he argued against Mandated Insurance with both Hillary AND McCain, and I loved that he understood the reasons why it was a very bad idea. That was what helped me make my final decision on who to support in the primaries.

A big issue for me was Education. I cried when I saw him talking to teachers, promising to support them 100% if he was elected. After NCLB and Bush's assault on Teachers Unions, watching Obama talk about the Public Schools and how important they were to this democracy, was like water in a desert.

There were other great moments in the campaign also, granted we were starved for decency after the previous eight years, but to hear a Candidate say he would close down the hated Guantanamo Gulag, was something I had almost given up hope of ever hearing.

But he wasn't perfect. Eg, I did not like his position on Afghanistan although it came fairly late in the long campaign. I wasn't thrilled about a few other issues that he didn't seem firmly committed to, but overall, on most of the major issues, he was, imo, the very best choice of the remainging candidates.

If I wanted perfection, I would not have supported anyone, ever, in any campaign. So who are these people who are demanding perfection?

[SunsetDreams]

23. K&R

[spoony]

25. Is it "resurrect dead talking points" day and no one told me? nt

[MadHound]

26. You know, people aren't expecting perfect,

But attacking the very constituents that helped you into office, that's an entirely different matter. That is exactly what Obama has done to teacher's groups, anti-war groups, the LGBT community, etc. etc.

Not looking for perfection, just looking for the assault on many of us to cease.

[Bonobo]

27. If you can't handle a little criticism here, good luck 'honing' your message in 2012!

This might be a good chance for you to get an early start on the kinds of arguments you'll have to make in 2012. But then you'll be dealing with actual opposition as opposed to strawmen.

[Fire1]

32. He's still got two more years to go. More can happen. n/t

[Antarctic]

28. Not good enough..

Just getting sick of the whole 'sorry, but he's no superman' excuse. I mean, you do realise that the guy has one of the most important jobs in this world? And if you're not quite up for it, if you can't give it your absolute best, then maybe you shouldn't be running for it in the first place?? I KNOW things could be so much worse, but there is no way that 'oh, he just can't quite deliver it, be content with what you get' is going to fly for this job. He stepped up for it, i EXPECT to see the results.

What's the story behind this post anyway?

[Moochy]

29. Good for now, forever and always

[firedupdem]

30. K&R Frenchie! n/t

[Fire1]

31. K&R n/t