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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 11:19 AM
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Daily Kos: Confrontation in an Oklahoma Starbucks over right wing lies about President Obama.
Edited on Mon Aug-30-10 11:19 AM by onehandle
I had an interesting encounter at the Starbucks this morning. A group of older men hold their coffee club there each morning and politics is definitely the topic of choice. These guys are conservative (this is Oklahoma) and the occasional Obama/Pelosi insult can be overheard followed by a bout of bullying laughter. Most in the group are retired or semi-retired from the oil and gas industry and are, for the most part, extremely wealthy. These men have a lot of time and a lot of money on their hands. There are generally well regarded in the community and have some form of friendly communication with many of the customers that come and go from the shop.

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Two of the men stepped in front of me in line as I was trying to put together my order for the family. The indecision of my 3 children coupled with my insistence on healthier snack options makes this a difficult task. This was also the busiest time of the day and the place was buzzing with the annoying background sound of disjointed conversation. I was already somewhat anxious and frustrated.

Then, the two men in front of me start to talk louder, and I couldn't help but overhear what they were discussing. They were arguing. The older man was explaining to the middle-aged man why Obama is an African born Muslim and could not possibly be a Christian. The older man said he had definitive proof of this. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. I wanted to explode on the guy. I sent the kids to the car with mom.

I know the middle-aged guy. His name is John and we are cordial with each other. So, I played dumb a bit and asked John what he and his friend were discussing. I knew the older man would not pass up an opportunity to spread his vitriol for Obama. He took the bait. He reiterated what I had already overheard - Obama was born in Kenya in an American sponsored birthing facility and there is an ex-military officer who is willing to testify that he personally witnessed Obama’s birth, Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate is an obvious fraud which anyone with even the slightest analytical skills in this area would quickly uncover, the media is protecting Obama on all of this because he has threatened to bring charges of racism against anyone who does a story on his place of birth or his religion, Obama has confided in a Democratic appointee in the State Department that he (Obama) is in fact a Muslim and that the State Department should therefore protects Muslims at all costs even if it means compromising American foreign policy interests, this Democratic appointee at the State Department is now willing to sign an affidavit verifying the above and Obama could not possibly be a Christian because he was a member of "that crazy heretical church in Chicago."

In a very loud and agitated voice, I asked John if he believed this crazy shit. John’s facial expressions indicated "no" but he dodged my question, diplomatically arguing that these types of questions should not be spread as rumor but rather should be tested in some judicial proceeding challenging Obama citizenship prior to the next Presidential election. That didn’t make me happy.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/29/897297/-I-got-Obamas-Back-at-Starbucks-this-Morning
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 11:27 AM
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1. This is good. We need to answer them back when they make
outrageous accusations. If they bring the accusations, they have to provide the proof.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 11:56 AM
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2. Who would unrec this? nt
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 12:06 PM
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3. Disgusting, isn't it?
Very trollish, IMHO.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 12:13 PM
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4. You Cannot Cure Ignorance and Bigotry Once It Hts A Certain Age
You can only wait for it to die off and start on the next generation.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 12:17 PM
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5. I sadly agree. And my parents are only 63!
Hmmm, maybe it is not really age but just that the stupid cannot be made smart.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 12:24 PM
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6. I think your own thought is the best...
My dad was a staunch Republican and voted for Bush twice. With patience and reason from the rest of us, he's now a registered Democrat... and he voted for Obama;)
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discopants Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 01:08 PM
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7. one has to wonder
in response to the statement "the State Department should therefore protects Muslims at all costs even if it means compromising American foreign policy interests" ...

in the 2008 presidentical campaign, why would George Bush's State Department, specifically Condoleezza Rice, be protecting Obama's "true Muslim identity"?????
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 08:29 PM
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8. Good tale.
There is a lot of crazy talk out there that surely needs to be countered with intelligent rebukes.
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