Independent Voters are just plain stupid!

[KansasVoter]

No doubt Independent Voters sway elections. Obama won 4.5% more of the voters in 2008 than Gore did in 2000. That is all. So not many people switched their support from GOP to Dem, just 4.5% of them did. I'll assume these are so called Independent voters. I am addressing the ones who vote for the GOP one election cycle and then vote for the Dems the next. Or the other way around.

Independent voters think they are the elite of the voting world. Special, different, Etc.

How in the hell, in this political climate, can you be confused about which party you want in office? How can you be voting for fucking George Bush in 2000 and then decide you think Obama is better in 2008? There is no way a normal rational person can change their mind from Bush to Obama and have put 10 minutes of thought into it.

And in the coming elections, how can a voter who voted for Obama, decide that the GOP is now their choice? I can understand that a Dem might go with a 3rd party candidate because of unhappiness with Obama. But this 3rd party candidate would have to be liberal, you would not go from Obama to any GOP idiot unless you were really confused about Obama to begin with.

Independent Voters, to me, are just wishy washy pieces of mental waste. They flow like the wind. They liked Obama and what he stood for but now that the country is not 100% fixed in 20 months they are ready to put the GOP back in charge to fix it. This type of voting is not caused by rational, deep though and analysis of the facts. It is people who hear politicians say Obama is a socialist and decide to switch their vote. It is caused by people hearing the GOP talk about the deficit and have forgotten that the GOP caused most of the deficit. The Independent Voter stands for nothing. Just the mood of the country decides their vote.

Independent Voters don't really stand for anything. The love their title because it makes them seem unbiased on the issues. What it really does is make them seem like they don't have a clue on any issue! How can you be confused on core Democratic issues? Or core GOP issues?

Many here are unhappy with Obama, but I have talked to none of my Democratic friends who are thinking of voting GOP in 2012. Many talk of wanting a progressive candidate to challenge Obama but they know it is a long shot and are 100% committed to voting Democratic in 2012.

Independent voters are confused cowards who think they great thinkers. And I have no respect for any of them.

[stray cat]

1. No dumber than progressives who stay home and whine

[KansasVoter]

2. I agree, staying home, for any voter, is beyond any logic.

[Jackpine Radical]

9. Oh, I disagree.

There are many who have no clue what it's all about, and just come out to vote their spleen. A lot of teabaggers fit this bill. Clueless and angry. I'd be perfectly happy for them to stay home.

[LARED]

3. Humm, interesting strategy of calling independent voters names

in an effort to get them to understand the issues and vote for the Democratic party.

Let me know how it works out.

[Name removed]

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[LARED]

8. If you made an agrument that independent voters are stupid

I missed it.

[KansasVoter]

10. If you vote GOP one election and Dem another. You are stupid. Simple enough?

[LARED]

12. Not at all.

Not everyone votes along party lines across all elections, nor should they. And there is no reason to call them stupid if they don't. I would state that to vote based solely on one's party affiliation is somewhat Pavlovian. Why would I vote for someone simply because they call themselves something but acts like something else? Neither the GOP nor the DEMS candidates are monolithic in ideology, so why should I as a voter limit myself to a party?

[KansasVoter]

15. You have seen GOP candidates you like over the Dem?? Name them!!

[LARED]

16. Presently none, but in the past

yes, I have voted for independent and GOP candidates in the local, county, and state elections.

You have a problem with that?

[still_one]

21. The reason you haven't seen one now is because the republican party will essentially throw out

Anyone who disagrees with their dogma

The days of moderate republicans no longer exists. Therefore I would believe that the so-called independents are not the sharpest tack in the box, and not because they don't vote Democrat, but if they vote republican this year when they voted Democratic in 2008, are they even aware of where the republicans stand on the issues that they voted the Democrats on in 2008?

That makes me question their wisdom

If they vote someone other than repubican, I can respect that, but voting for a republican, whose philosophy created the mess we are in, and why they voted Democratic in 2008 is inane

[still_one]

19. The GOP is 99% a monolith. Their party spokes people have said they want to get rid of social

Security and Medicare, and give it to private ventures, along with deregulation

The repukes do not believe in the right to privacy, they do not believe unemployment benefits should be extended, they do not believe in HCR, or bailing gm or the financial institutions, and though we may disagree with how much of it was implemented, especially that CEOs did not go to jail, if nothing had been done things would have been another 1930's depression

Since Reagan, the repuke doctrine has been deregulate everything, destroy all unions, and get rid of social security and Medicare

Any republican who deviates from those principles is soon outcast from the party. The Democrats are inclusive, which has hurt them at times, but they are not monolithic as compared to repulicans

[LARED]

32. Don't kid yourself into believing that

the GOP is monolithic. You underestimate their ability to draw votes taking that view. If the GOP or any political party kicked out those that did not agree with every position it would in no time be a party with no influence.

[emilyg]

30. +1

[unhappycamper]

5. I've been an Independent voter since 1973.

And I have never voted Republican. Not once.

[KansasVoter]

7. LOL....then define it for all of us. I look forward to it!!

[The_Commonist]

27. Thank you, unhappycamper!

I was going to tell the OP to go fuck himself, but that would be against the rules, and is just not very nice. So I decided NOT to tell the OP to go fuck himself.

I'm registered Independent, and I will have to admit that I voted for a Republican ONCE. Yes, I did. I voted for Mayor Mike Bloomberg for his second term, because I though the was doing a pretty good job and was keeping quiet and not drawing attention to himself like his predecessor, Giuliani. Besides, Mike was a life-long Dem before running for Mayor. I did not vote for him for his 3rd term, which I thought he was totally out of bounds for getting the rules changed. I voted for Bill Thompson on the Working Families Party ticket.

Yes, that's right dear OP. Here in blue blue New York, candidates can run on more than one ticket. There are parties that are farther to the left than your Global Corporate Socialist "Democratic" party, and I can vote for someone on the ticket that is actually liberal and not take away from the total vote for the "Democratic" candidate. I voted for Obama on the Working Families ticket. I have voted for the occasional Green Party candidate.

So you see, dear OP, it's not all that simple and cut and dried and either/or as you think it might be in your little world. There are many reasons to be Independent. One of those reasons is to be MORE liberal than your wing of the Global Corporate Party allows. Of course, in some place like Kansas you may not have the same options as we have in New York, or elsewhere. It might be that cut and dried where you are.

But to call people stupid... is just... stupid!

[Jackpine Radical]

6. I think there's more than one kind of "independent" voter.

Some are the "Lumpen-independents" (my term) hapless, relatively uninvolved low-information types who end up voting on a whim or based on the last ad they heard. Others may truly be somewhere near the "center" (i.e. what would have been traditional moderate Republicans if such weren't extinct). Still others are expressing their disgust with the rightward drift of the Dems, and would vote for a viable Green or Socialist candidate if such were to ever appear on the horizon.

[Cosmocat]

11. it is hard to fathom ...

the major swing that appears in motion ...

the republicans were COMPLETE and absolute disasters for 6 years, I mean, no other party fd this country up more in that period of time ... The last two years they have doubled down on stupid, and the media has absolutely carried water for them ...

DEATH PANELS, and the dems had to answer to that ... I mean, FRIGGEN HEALTH CARE REFORM was LEGITIMIZED as some kind of threat to america ...

There is no more worthless pukebag alive than Sarah Palin ... This friggen twit up and QUIT his job as governor halfway through his FIRST stinking term ... This lady should be scorned, and completely marginalized, but the "liberal" media waits with baited breathe to parrot whatever bomb she throws, then allows her to play the victim card when criticized ...

They Rs are completely devoid of an honestly, intellecual or otherwise, they just are spew whatever crape comes off the top of their heads, and know all they have to do is get mean with any journalist on the RARE occassions they skittishly challenge their crape ...

BO has had a DARN good first two years, and the dems in congress have done a good job too. But, their natural tendency to cower in a corner has only emboldened the Rs, and the media has give up any pretense of not being whored out to the republican party ...

I NEVER thought the house would be in play, it just defies reason, and it is ...

I don't get it, I just don't get it ...

[KansasVoter]

14. +1000

[izquierdista]

13. You hit the nail on the (empty) head

What is frightening is that these bobble-heads end up deciding close (and even not so close) election. They are swayed by the latest, shiniest, gimmicky ad that comes along and they fall right in line with the psychological manipulation that was intended. That's why money needs to be taken out of politics. Money buys advertising, and advertising gets people to make impulsive, emotional decisions that bypass thinking.

Independent voters are like the chuckleheads who get to the front of the line at the fast-food restaurant and then can't decide what to have. They have been there a hundred times before, but when it comes time to decide, they draw a blank -- that is until some ad jingle they saw recently pops into working memory. "That's what I'll have!"

[still_one]

17. People are self destructive. Under Bill Clinton the economy was excellent. So what did the public

So what did they do, they decided to vote for bush. Despite the questionable election, too many people voted for bush then should have based on the economy

The same thing happened under reagan, he destroyed regulation, destroyed the S&Ls, and hurt a lot of people yet he still won

So it comes down to this, what is labor going to do? The repukes made it very clear they wanted gm and others to not be rescued. Will they vote against their own self-interest?

Minorities, especially Hispanics, the repukes have made it clear they believe in racial profiling. Are they going to vote against their own self-interest?

How about women? They are one justice away from having the government control their bodies, and it isn't just women it is men also, where if the justices overturn Roe v Wade, the right to privacy will be threatened

Young people may not realize it but there will come a time when they need social security and Medicare. Will they vote against their own interest?

And most importantly where are the Democrats fighting back, slamming the repukes for the above issues and more

Will those who have lost their jobs vote? Repukes already said they don't want to extend unemployment benefits

If folks I mentioned above pull their heads out, and vote for the party that has tried to help them verses the repukes who have tried to destroy every benefit they receive, we should win

Problem is people constantly vote against their own self-interest

[iamjoy]

18. You're Pretty Hard On Them

You are pretty hard on voters we may well need to win an election.

I would say I don't understand them. To an extent I understand people who look at and evaluate the candidate and make a decision based on that. However, we all know there are certain differences between Democrats and Republicans, although they may not always be as pronounced as we would like. Suffice it to say I don't see an election any time soon in which the Republican is going to be pro-choice, pro-equal rights and want to save Social Security while the Democrat is anti-Choice, homophobic and in favor of privatization.

The parties do stand for certain things, even if all the members of that party don't match in lock step with the entire platform.

So, two years ago, people decided they trusted the Democrats more on the economy and that we needed to something about our Health Care system. The Democrats have acted more or less according to plan. But the economy still sucks. Now people no longer want to trust them, so they want to return to the policies that caused the crisis? :wtf:

[dsc]

20. or maybe they agree with us on economics but the GOP on social issues and the middle east

and since we haven't exactly done a bang up job with the economics they are now deciding to vote based on other issues. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong but there is more than one theory.

[IndianaGreen]

22. That's the winning campaign slogan: Independent Voters Are Stupid!

For starters, self-described independent voters are a mishmash from all across the political spectrum. The only thing in common about them is that they don't identify with the 2-major parties.

[Dr.Phool]

23. How in the hell am I confused about which party I want in office?

Dumbest question of the year.

My choice.
a)Totally sucks
b)Mostly sucks.

You call me confused? I have no respect for you for accepting the shit you're shoveled on a daily basis.

Fuck 'em all!

I'll never vote for a repuke. But I ain't voting for repuke lite either.

[old mark]

24. Yeah - if you can't make up your mind or see any difference, you really are not looking.

Of coures, we have leftists who say both parties represent the corporate intersts, but this has been true since we have had corporations.

The Democrats - even the centerist cowards we have in power now - are not even comparable to the insanity on the right.

Please take some time to google and read some of the current right wing "thought", especially those on the "religious" right, and things will become more clear for you.
Look for information on the "Dominionists" and theie political friends.

The Democrats are not very good - the republicans are fucking crazy.

mark

[GeorgeGist]

25. Stupid

[sallyseven]

26. I think that independent voters are

just too lazy to go out and work for anyone ruining for 0office. It is hard going out to hold signs and be counted. Stuffing envelops and making sure that your person or persons can count on your support. They put on this facade and say I am independent but they don't know what they believe in.

[Dr.Phool]

28. Ruining for Ooffice?

Envelops?

You didn't learn to spell, but you call someone lazy?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Next you'll be putting food on your family.

[frylock]

29. you'll get on your fucking knees and beg for my vote in november..

who is the idiot again? the indy voter or the democratic ass lick who needs the indy vote yet disparages them at every opportunity?

[rug]

31. How To Win Votes And Influence Elections

[vaberella]

33. As an Independent voter...I don't think I appreciate the wide-sweeping statement.

I find Dems seem to be the biggest problem voters if I have to read this board alone.

[totodeinhere]

34. We should be courting independent voters, not insulting them.

Like it or not, most elections are decided by independent voters. We need to find ways to appeal to them. Your approach is not helpful.