Obama just said that now was not the time to fight because people's lives were at stake~

[merbex]

From where I sit, the time to fight is WHEN people's lives are at stake.

I just watched a Democratic President carry out Herbert Hoover's policies and sound just like Neville Chamberlain.

FDR is spinning in his grave.

FDR pretty much left a blueprint to deal with pretty much the exact situation Obama inherited and it's as if Obama put that blueprint in his dog's crate( what's the dog's name? you get my drift) and the dog sh*t all over it - exactly as Obama intended.

I am disgusted...I have no more words....just disgusted.

[DontTreadOnMe]

1. It was the last straw for me

Looking forward to working for a Progressive Primary candidate.

[geek tragedy]

4. I'm glad you have the time to piss away on a lost cause. nt

[tekisui]

24. Lost causes are our only options.

[niceypoo]

42. And you on yours

[eilen]

52. The Obama 2012 campaign is a lost cause now.

Bye bye Big D.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. Never thought I'd say it but I'm done w/ Obama. I think I'll go cry now.

[Catherina]

2. Accidentally unrec'd when I meant to rec. Sorry. n/t

[emilyg]

30. I'll rec for you.

[Catherina]

35. Thank you! n/t

[Union Scribe]

3. He uses that for everything.

It's why we can't leave our endless wars.
It's why we couldn't get real health care reform and had to settle.
It's why we have to settle now.

It's NEVER a time to fight, it seems.

[grumgrum]

21. DING! DING! DING! We have a WINNER!

Exactly

[harun]

33. +1

[readmoreoften]

51. He's not in there to fight. He's in there to stop us from fighting.

[The Backlash Cometh]

60. DLC.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. No words to describe how I feel.

Okay, maybe these: He turned out to be one hell of a sell-out.

Our country deserves what's coming. By the time Assange releases all the information, there's no one who is going to respect us.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. What can I say? We were duped. Never again.

[CakeGrrl]

6. So for all the people who were so very upset about unemployment benefits

disappearing, indulging in anger at this compromise brought on by the asinine greed of the Republicans is the bigger priority. Right.

We already know the Republicans' stance on uemployment: Fuck off and die.

There was a story posted here last week prompting real worries that some people would be driven to suicide over losing their last hope for any survival funds in unemployment benefits.

So the President got those back.

But it's more important to be mouth-frothing mad because he had to deal with a bunch of craven assholes to do it.

Got it.

:eyes:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. Of course we're glad he got the unemployment benefits back.

But a lot of us feel he gave up too much in doing so. I feel he gave away too much by compromising over the tax rates.

Dealing with craven assholes is just part of doing business with the Republicans, unfortunately...

[CakeGrrl]

13. I didn't want to see them get anything either, but

it's unrealistic and excessive to have all this foot stomping, steam-from-the-ears, reactionary "KICK OBAMA OUT" histrionics going on. IMO. It's not productive and it's not grounded in the reality of what needs to happen in actual governing when you have the likes of today's Republican party on the other side of the aisle.

[Lorien]

39. The GOP is not in charge

where were you during the Bush years? If the congress lead the Nation, then why did BushCo stomp it's foot and get EVERY DAMN THING IT WANTED from a Democratic congress? Magic wand perhaps? Get real. Obama sold us all out. He isn't on our side; he's on theirs.

[CakeGrrl]

41. Because Blue Dog Dems do NOT stick with the Dems reliably

Blue Dogs have no problem crossing the aisle. This crop of Republicans is unified against Obama.

[Lorien]

38. The question needs to be asked: why were unemployment benefits tied to tax cuts for the rich?

what does one have to do with the other? 33 billion in unemployment in exchange for 700 Billion in tax breaks for the wealthy. How is THAT fair? How is that a "compromise"??

[Mimosa]

8. NEVER is the time for this President to 'fight'

I fought for him. He doesn't fight for us. At this rate, sucky health care (meaning no real change), continuing wars, tax cuts for the rich, disaster capitalism...we might as well have President McCain. Because McCain wouldn't do anything differently.

[LAGC]

9. Meanwhile... McCain applauds Obama's tax compromise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9704599

[RBInMaine]

10. Oh goodie. Let's have an ideological pissing contest while kids lose their holiday, their homes, and

their food. Where are some people's heads? Try actually governing something some day. The votes do not exist to permanently end the tax cuts for the rich. But THEY "caved" on any permanent extensions for the rich, THEY caved on a 13 month unemployment extension which they hate, and THEY will have to defend a permanent extension for the rich in the next election cycle while we hammer them on it. We can have a nice fight over it next year in time for 2012. Right now, let's get people fed. Thanks, Prez. You played it just right. If the PUKES had still balked even on this, THEY would be toast right now, and they know it.

[COLGATE4]

11. You really don't get it, do you?

[jefferson_dem]

15. Not willing to jump onto the "Obama sucks" concern-wagon...

= not getting it? Cute.

[RBInMaine]

17. Wrong. You don't. Obama is with the MAJORITY of the nation, will be applauded, and YOU would

rather bitch, whine, piss, and moan forever rather than GOVERN with the Senate numbers we have. I HAVE governed, and I know what it means to have to compromise to get things done. I also know what it means to be a kid in economically tough times, and I want kids to have a Christmas, families to eat and stay in their homes, and to take out some of the economic uncertainty hampering our recovery. The President is doing exactly the right thing, and they need to get this done TOMORROW.

[niceypoo]

43. The majority will applaud the GOP blackmailing us for $500 billion ransom?

In what universe?

[Dawgs]

58. Then you are just as weak and unimaginative as Obama.

This was not our only option.

[OhioBlue]

28. you're right of course, the Rs did cave

but look at the way they're acting - if you look at their press releases, they're acting very happy and once again stealing/setting the narrative - THEY won on tax cuts and prevented tax increases on hard working Americans and small business that create jobs....

And were are we???? bitching about it - Congressional Dems are "thinking about it and planning to talk to each other". They're setting themselves up to look like losers in this. damn it. Congressional Dems need to steal the narrative - talk about how they will prevent a $560 billion increase to the deficit by not allowing the tax cuts for the top 2% to be made permanent, talk about how they preserved tax cuts for working families, talk about the targeted tax cuts that will stimulate the economy and protecting Americans who are unemployed through no fault of their own - talk about how they fought for the interests of the working class in the debate while the Rs fought for tax breaks for the top 2%.

[dflprincess]

37. What did Obama do? He cut a behind closed doors deal with the Republicans

what he should have done was gotten airtime from the networks and gone to the people to let them know the Republicans were holding unemployment benefits and an extension of the working & middle class tax hostage.

Instead he not only agrees to run the deficit even higher - he also agrees to payroll tax "relief" that he and his Republican friends can use to claim Social Security must be cut.

[eilen]

53. I think Congressional Democrats are busy

trying to figure out how the hell to win their next election race. Their president just handed them a stink bomb. It's hard walking upright without a spine.

[girl gone mad]

40. Nothing is ever permanent.

Congress could easily reinstate the tax cuts.

[Sheepshank]

55. wish i could rec this!!!!

Instead I'll just repeat what you said!

"Oh goodie. Let's have an ideological pissing contest while kids lose their holiday, their homes, and their food. Where are some people's heads? Try actually governing something some day. The votes do not exist to permanently end the tax cuts for the rich. But THEY "caved" on any permanent extensions for the rich, THEY caved on a 13 month unemployment extension which they hate, and THEY will have to defend a permanent extension for the rich in the next election cycle while we hammer them on it. We can have a nice fight over it next year in time for 2012. Right now, let's get people fed. Thanks, Prez. You played it just right. If the PUKES had still balked even on this, THEY would be toast right now, and they know it."

Reps had 100% of their own backing...Obama did not. Bottom line.

[jefferson_dem]

12. In the past couple hours, I've seen Obama compared to Hoover, Chamberlain, Nixon, LBJ, Reagan, W...

So many bogey men comparisons! I'm so confused as to exactly why I should be mad at him! :shrug:

[grumgrum]

18. Well, one consistency you take from it -- he governs like a Republcian

LBJ is the only democrat of that list. Consensus seems to show Obama is very republican friendly.
As Pay Buchanin pointed out..."Obama is a gift that keeps on giving" (regarding the capitulation of the tax cuts for the rich today)

[jefferson_dem]

20. Perhaps that's your take but please don't put those crazy words in my mouth.

[BeyondGeography]

14. Peoples' lives are always at stake

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[ClarkUSA]

19. Millions of soon-to-be 99er unemployed and their families are very glad for this President.

BTW, FDR had a many more Democratic votes in Congress to work with than President Obama.

It's obvious that ignoring political reality is a favorite game amongst some people since President Obama entered office.

[tekisui]

25. "Some people"? What people?

[donco6]

32. Ignoring REALITY itself is your stock in trade.

Though it's fascinating to watch Republican policies put in place by a Democratic president with your unwavering support.

[prolesunited]

49. There is no provision in this that benefits 99ers

This will just allow almost everyone to go through the existing tiers of unemployment, which ends at four tiers federal, and then an additional state benefit if you live in a high unemployment state.

NO new tiers were created and it does not help those who have exhausted all of the current levels. You have been repeatedly posting this and it is simply incorrect.

If you are a 99er, you are still screwed.

[nichomachus]

61. And they will be until

the unemployment does run out -- the billionaire tax cuts are still in effect -- there are still no jobs -- and they realize that Social Security is now gone. Then, they may change their minds.

[KoKo]

22. Then WHEN will Obama give the "CHARGE SIGNAL" when WE NEED TO FIGHT?

I'm having a problem with "mixed signals." It's difficult to understand what he says, anymore..because I feel he doesn't speak to Democrats but only to Republicans! He seems to fear Sarah Palin or some other "unseen Repug BoogeyMan!

What does he REALLY THINK about ANY SUBJECT? I don't know, anymore.

Does Anyone Else?

[Moondog]

23. The guy is an invertebrate.

[avaistheone1]

26. Fighting is not in Obama's character and it makes him a poor leader

especially when we have to deal with such snakes in the republican party and such bottomless greed on the part of the super wealthy.

So when does Obama think it is time to fight. During his last week in office?

[dana_b]

27. people's lives are at stakes because

his friends have their feet on the backs of the unemployed and the overworked/underpaid. Now their plan is to take 2% of the SS payments and put it in our paychecks. Then soon they'll say that SS is unstable and we need more cuts. Those feet will move up to our necks or heads. It's time to fight now. Things are not going to get better for the un/deremployed. If their is some group who is standing against this, i'm in.

[Name removed]

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[donco6]

31. Just another way to say, "Keepin' the powder dry."

And we've all heard that before.

[sohndrsmith]

34. ...and let's just make it that much harder for him by jumping ship.

That does nothing but fortify the GOP. Seems to me that a team doesn't quit even if the captain messes up - unless they really want to lose as fast as possible. A better strategy might be to at least finish the game with as much determination as there was when it began. There is no such thing as a team that agrees all the time, but wimping out and giving up guarantees a bad outcome.

Even if the captain isn't up to the job, the time to quit on the game is when its over, not in the middle of the fight.

Or am I missing something?

(fire away...) : )

[bluethruandthru]

36. People's lives were at stake - and still are - during the health care debate.

Obama didn't fight then either. He only fights for compromise and what he calls bi-partisanship. However, his idea of bi-partisanship is giving up what the democrats want and giving the republicans whatever they want.

[oamwobo]

44. So basically we can't pass progressive legislation because there are people

unemployed and in need?


(someone else said something like this, can't find it again to credit them)

[akbacchus_BC]

46. Well do something! And by the way, he is President Obama!

[nichomachus]

62. Then, dammit, he should act like one

instead of a bootlicker for the GOP

[and-justice-for-all]

48. I always thought that was the perfect time to fight...

:shrug:

[kath]

50. For President Obama (as opposed to CANDIDATE Obama) it is NEVER the time to fight.

So, so, SOOOOOOO sick of this shit.
Disgusted beyond words.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[onenote]

54. for those claiming that it won't make any difference if a repub is elected in 2012

Why do you think a repub Congress and WH in 2012 won't make the tax cuts for the wealthy pemanent and cut off unemployment insurance?

[Dawgs]

57. Uh, the Democrats had control of everything and still couldn't stop the tax cuts for the rich.

How is Obama going to do it 2012 with a mixed government if he can't do it now?

[Dawgs]

56. Kind of sounds like the same excuse he used for the Public Option, Single Payer, Gay Marriage,...

Do I really need to continue?

[hayu_lol]

59. What we and the country needed...

was Atilla The Hun. What we got was Reagan wearing a tutu.