~~~~~~~~GOOD VIBES FOR THE PREZ~~~~~~~~~~

[Writer]

After watching the 60 Minutes interview, he certainly needs them. What a frustrating political environment to have to operate in:

A public that is either incapable of, or refuses to acknowledge, the nuance of complicated problems, both foreign and domestic.

A commercially-driven news media system that focuses too much of their time on the party gate-crashers.

A ridiculous perception of his West Point speech as being "emotionless" and "detached," when it sounds like he was essentially trying to hold his composure over the urge to vomit.


~~~~~~~~Here's good vibes for the Prez~~~~~~~~~~~

[Ineeda]

1. K & R

[impik]

70. I'll never stop supporting him. All those whiners will wake up one day

and realize what a terrible mistake they have done undermining this man from his first day in office. Stupidity.

[graywarrior]

2. I'm almost afraid to support him here lately

But I do and that's the bottom line.

[OneGrassRoot]

12. Isn't that terrible?

I'm sure others will say it's our problem if we feel uncomfortable speaking our mind, one way or another. And, that's true. But it's a shame the level of discourse has disintegrated the way it has, with no real progress to be made because of it and instead turning people away from the discussions.

And it isn't just GD and GDP. There are other groups here, non-political groups, where the same "clashing" has seeped in.

Obama most certainly elicits strong opinions from people. Maybe the majority can agree on that much at least.

I absolutely send him good vibes.

:)

[earcandle]

95. The freedom to communicate,and the ability to communicate are strong arguments for a

democracy.  If people are too timid to speak their minds, or
more worried about what others think of them than they are
about caring about others, then maybe they need some fine
examples of people who have the courage to speak their minds
and stand up as real Americans.  We don't live in a
dictatorship yet, where freedom of speech is curbed.  If that
is happening, that is an invasion of one's own thought police
and one must root them out and send those thoughts into exile
and speak the fuck up ... or forever miss the opportunity to
know your own grit.   Come on boyz and girlz, we need some
character building here in America.  And our youth needs some
strong role models. 

Obama needs our support and he needs our criticisms as well,
so we know what we stand for, as he sways to keep things open
for all parties.  Don't cha think? 

[OneGrassRoot]

99. Agreed, earcandle....

Very well said!

:patriot:

[goclark]

13. Bottom line for me to

:fistbump:

[lillypaddle]

18. Ditto

and yes, it's a shame.

[euphoria12leo]

32. I'm almost afraid to comment here at times.

I saw the grading thread on the President today and it was just as I thought it would be. I support the President and that's my bottom line and I really don't care what others think.

[NJmaverick]

55. That is certainly a sad state of affairs

maybe if you released the duck things would get better?

[live love laugh]

59. Amen to that graywarrior. I support him also. Less than a year ago we were miserable

when he-who-shall-remain-nameless was ending his occupation of the highest office in the land. I am thankful for Obama--especially relative to what we endured the past eight years.

[graywarrior]

62. I just hope the hell he supports reconciliation after the latest news about LIEberman

[uponit7771]

85. +1

[SalviaBlue]

3. K & R

[liberal N proud]

4. One should look at the types of interviews the M$M gives Obama in comparison

to the scripted discussions they had with bu$h.

Night and Day

[Writer]

6. By the way, the "MSM" isn't an abstract, monolithic entity that produces messages...

the media are a real institution, comprised of many media forms, that nearly all work as a commercial system. The problem with the media isn't that they're mostly corporate even, but that they're commercial businesses that benefit the private, not the public, sphere.

[TwilightGardener]

5. I'll send some. He needs it. I wouldn't choose to be in his shoes for

all the $$$ in the world.

[liberalmuse]

7. Amen, and thank you.

I've had it up to here with the hate and bad juju many DUers are projecting. He needs our support, and for those of us who worked to get him elected to continue to work so that he is successful.

[Autonomy]

8. K&R

Good vibes? Okay, I'll support anything remotely positive on this website at the point. LOL.

[avaistheone1]

9. Rah. Rah. Rah.

War is peace.

War is just.

Let the killing begin.

Merry Christmas.

Happy Hanukkah

Happy Holidays.

[kid a]

10. The emotions he seemed to be struggling with during the WP speech seemed apparent

It wasn't a typical "political" speech.
He wasn't trying to "impress" or "twitch" anyone's leg.

His was a somber, reluctant, thoroughly contemplated decision and delivered with the blunt force of a belly kick.

I hope nobody enjoyed that. He didn't.

I'll send **VIBES** to the President.

[newtothegame]

11. Sorry, but I think the only nuancees are the typical politican's obsession with being reelected.

A president, ANY president, can accomplish many things if they set out to do so, instead of setting out to get re-elected. Obama's "historic" election didn't make him any less of a typical politican, contrary to what many here believed.

[mopinko]

16. there are about a million threads here you could post this to.

ferchrissakes, people. go shit on another thread.

and so we see why he needs the vibes.
got plenty here from me.

[firedupdem]

37. +2000 n/t

[tabatha]

29. - 1000

[treestar]

60. Rather inconsistent that getting re-elected and doing good things

require separate actions.

Obama said he would do what he thought right regardless of the polls, so you're wrong there.

[readmoreoften]

76. Maybe he knows the industries who fund him will hack him the job regardless.

Doing good things and re-election, apparently don't mean anything.

[treestar]

100. You've basically condemned the voters

As mindless morons who respond to the ads from those "funding" the election without critical thought. You're not even calling them on it, just giving them the right to be that way and making them out to be victims. But victims of their own thoughtlessness.

[Cha]

69. That's where you're dead wrong..President Obama would

"rather have one term if it meant Health Care Reform".

That's the trouble with too little knowledge ..so easy to take cheap shots.

[Kajsa]

83. Yep- and that is well illustrated in

post #9.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x55191#55218


Knowledge and understanding of complex situations-

Who needs it?

( for those who don't know me- :sarcasm:)

[zippy890]

14. K & R

[NJmaverick]

15. He was given the toughest national situation since FDR, in some ways worse

it has to be taxing on him to deal with all the problems and the large percentage of extremists (who's voices are strenthened in the many internet and cable tv echo chambers) who don't understand the difficulties and the complex nature of the problems he faces.

[arcadian]

19. So you are an extremist if you don't hold a moderate view?

This place get's more unreal every day.

[NJmaverick]

22. Isn't views that are untempered by moderation the very definition of extremism?

[rudy23]

27. Yes, like kindness. Showing extreme kindness or compassion is extremist--moderates=always right

The DLC thrives on the middle ground fallacy, and the perception that 70% of us who believe in generally progressive values are "extreme" b/c we lean to one side.

[NJmaverick]

28. Yeah those demons from the DLC meme. Funny how the DLC helped save the party

from the sort of self destructive actions that the far left is once again pushing. If we followed the liberals screaming for some sort of liberal purity test for Demcrats, we would be discussing the actions of President McCain and Vice President Palin and how the Dems can't stop the Republican majority in Congress.

[rudy23]

40. Yes, it helped save the party through NAFTA, repealing Glass-Stegal, welfare reform,

deregulating the media, which allowed for the wall-to-wall Republican/corporate message which is all we're exposed to anymore.

Go ahead, make your case for how the DLC saved the Democratic Party. Make your case for why Bill Clinton's eight year run helped our party more than he hurt it.

[NJmaverick]

45. That's a false framing. The DLC kept the Democratic party from going the way of the whigs

there was a time when the Democratic party was in serious danger of becoming irrelevant. The public didn't vote for them, it couldn't attract good leadership and they certainly couldn't take on the Republicans (who were making great strides). As much as you can point to issues you don't like (although in deference to honesty Glass-Stegal was a republican bill signed by Clinton) you can't deny they saved a party that had been lead astray by the same sort of liberal extremism that we are seeing today.

[arcadian]

33. You are taking things out of context.

Especially if you examine the American political system where "moderate" means a right wing corporate backed agenda. I suppose a battered wife should ask for moderation when confronting an abusive husband as well, according to your definition.

[NJmaverick]

34. While you may define moderate as "right wing corporate backed agenda"

most people don't, especially those that consider themselves moderates. What exactly was taken out of context? and precisely was that context it was taken from (hopefully not your rather odd definition of moderate)?

Then I have to address this off the wall question-

"I suppose a battered wife should ask for moderation when confronting an abusive husband as well, according to your definition."

Hmmmm put battered woman on your side and abusive husband on mine with that question. Quite a trick if you could pull it off. Still if we apply a little critical thinking to your question we ask ourself a second question "Should a battered wife ask for extremism when confronting an abusive husband?" Damn the question sounds as stupid when we put extremism in there as it did when moderation was used. Did you really think I would just overlook such a pathetic attempt at trickery?

[arcadian]

35. Most people can't point to Afghanistan on a map.

Most people don't know their Congressional Reps... "most people". Please.

[NJmaverick]

36. Bill Clinton is a moderate liberal and he could run rings around you intellectually

yet even this informed "most people" wouldn't agree with your definition.

[rudy23]

41. That's the problem--Clinton was running rings around us, but he wasn't on our side.

He should've been running rings around the opposition---and who was that exactly?

[NJmaverick]

43. Bill Clinton did run rings around the right wing opposition

he frustrated the hell out of them, which is why they hated him with a vengence. For the most part Clinton's policies helped rather than hurt our nation. I consider him one of the best Presdients of the 20th centuary (along with FDR and Kennedy).

[rudy23]

50. Then he handed the presidency right back to them as he joined Poppy Bush's side.

I think he's still attached at the hip to Poppy---certainly not on our side. Glass Steagall. NAFTA. Federal Communications Act, which gave us FOX News in its current form. He didn't run rings around anybody besides his progressive base---that's the DLC's M.O.

[Writer]

52. By the way, the Federal Communications Act of 1934 was signed in 1934.

The act you're thinking of is the Telecommunications Act of 1996 which had the main purpose of opening up digital channels so that there was cross-competition between telephony, broadband distribution, and so much more. However, the part you're thinking of - which every good liberal knows - is that part that increased the cap on BROADCAST station ownership. BROADCAST being different from CABLE. It just so happened that Fox News started at around the same time this act was signed, but one had absolutely nothing to do with the other. The FCC does NOT regulate cable content. It was simply Rupert Murdoch catering to a conservative market. No rules needed to be changed for Fox News to happen, only the expansion of cable as a technology.

[rudy23]

53. It allowed Murdoch to own more than one newspaper per market.

Good catch on the FCA vs. TCA.

Good point about FOX happening at the same time, and not caused by the TCA of 1996.

There's no question though, that it allowed conservative media owners to coordinate their message much, much more easily. Clear Channel radio was born by the TCA of 1996. Talk radio has been affected by the act. It was a horrible moment in the history of American media, and a clear case of Clinton's intellectual ability failing the American people, especially Democrats.

[sandnsea]

17. And a political atmosphere the uses all of it

to further confuse and divide the people with more interest in that division than the slightest pretense of working together.

[Ikonoklast]

20. I voted for the man. I supported him then, and do so now.

I want President Obama to succeed.

The enormous job he has been given would make lesser men weep from frustration.

[OKNancy]

21. I'll send good vibes. He's being attacked

from the ultra-right for , well..being "the other"
attacked from the career Republicans for their own political gain
attacked from the left for not upholding promises he never made in the first place.

[Kind of Blue]

23. I may not agree with every decision he's made but

he's got my goodwill, good vibes, pat on the back and pinch for good luck 24/7.
KnR

[tblue]

24. Absolutely!

I wish him all the best. I disagree with some of his policies, but never for a minute do I not wish him every possible success and peace in his soul.

[Clio the Leo]

25. I thought there were points during that West Point speech when he was close to crying...

.... but maybe I read too much into it.

He was looking a little misty though...

[Writer]

26. He was a not a happy camper during that speech, no doubt.

And to call him emotionless and detached? Good grief.

[Undercurrent]

38. Right you are.

He was NOT happy, or detached, or emotionless.

It was clear to me that the process that led him to make this most difficult decision was not taken lightly. He agonized, reflected and considered it very carefully.

I hate war. Hate it. Yet sadly there are times when such a terrible decision must be made. He has far more information than I do, and I trust he made the best decision he could based on the alternatives he had.

IMO there was emotion just beneath his stoic, calm surface. I could feel it. The speech brought ME to tears.

[burning rain]

79. Lyndon Johnson agonized, too.

Didn't save him, the Democratic Party, or liberalism from a wreck from '68 on, though. Getting the wrong answer, however thoughtfully, is still getting the wrong answer.

[Hekate]

46. Tthe trip to Dover AFB was no photo-op. It was a true reality check, quite unlike Bush.

Bush used the living troops as political backdrop constantly, something that too many DUers seem to have forgotten. Bush glorified war, and rejoiced when the bombs fell in Shock and Awe, and got off on death.

Bush, who used to lean over the podium, smiling and breathing heavily as he talked about war and death, puffing up his chest while declaring "Bring it on" from the safety of the home front, strutting about an aircraft carrier in his flight suit and codpiece.

Bush never went to watch the bodies come home.

By the time President Obama gave that speech at West Point he had already done the research, so to speak. He was very, very sober in his delivery.

Hekate

[bdamomma]

88. it looks like the decision was weighing in on him, but then again

he could of brought them home.

[midnight]

30. I agree with you that our President needs good vibes... He does have a heavy

burden. Nuances and information that is not made public. Don't get me started on the bias of the media.... The west point speech was a mixed bag of the status quo, and onto the needs of a few vs the needs of this whole country. That is why many of us can't contain the ill feeling we feel. Sending good thoughts to our President and hope he is able to provide a more egalitarian leadership for all the citizens in this country. We can turn this around...

[Undercurrent]

31. I support my President!

:kick:

[firedupdem]

39. k&R! I send them daily...I want him to succeed...his success

is mine.

[goclark]

42. Yes.I.Do. send good vibes with you

:fistbump:

[lamp_shade]

44. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[NYC_SKP]

47. ······..·´¯`·...>-=((((º>---- ·...·´¯`·... >-=((((º>---- `·....·´¯`·...>-=((((º>----

FUCK YEAH!!!!

:applause:

[Aramchek]

48. many haters could not define 'nuance' if you asked them

[Umbral]

49. I suppose this was inevitable...

FR had a daily prayer for the President too, when Bush was in office anyway.

[NJmaverick]

54. I think the use of the term vibe precludes the idea that this is a prayer

Christian or otherwise.

[azmouse]

51. Interesting that I only see 2 'ignored's in this thread.

Really shows where that crowd stands.

[tandot]

56. Sending him positive thoughts & vibes.

K & R

[grantcart]

57. K and r

[byronius]

58. K&R.

[ShortnFiery]

61. No, I won't support a War President when we have no right to be occupying two countries.

I removed my "Obama 08" bumper sticker today.

No more support from me until/unless he pulls our combat troops out of those two countries.

... Well, NO MORE SUPPORT FROM ME. :thumbsdown:

[watercolors]

63. TO BAD, don't much care if you don't, no loss for us!

one less angry pooster to view.

[Nedsdag]

64. K&R!

:kick:

[arcadian]

65. Vibes?

What's next? A petition to get him on the cover of Tiger Beat? :rofl:

[RoadRage]

66. I'll probably get flamed for this.. but I SUPPORT PRESIDENT O!

Totally not a popular position here.. i'd probably get more support from him in Freeperville right now. :puke:

[Peacetrain]

67. Yep good idea... sending good thoughts his way..

[Cha]

68. Thanks Writer, Our Prez can certainly use all

the ((((((((Good Vibrations)))))))) he can get!

[rosesaylavee]

71. K and R

Thanks for posting.

[yellerpup]

72. Today, friends in Oslo sent a photo taken of President and Mrs. Obama

when they were in town picking up the Nobel Prize. We have reason to celebrate having this man as president. I support him, I good-vibe him, and I have confidence in his ability to clean up the mess left behind by Chimpy and Crashcart. We still can; we're just getting started.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

73. May he come to his senses

n/t

[donheld]

74. Always

[Number23]

75. Yep.

[LiberalAndProud]

77. !

vibes, wishes, and prayers for our president. Every day.


Thanks for this, Writer.

[Raine]

78. Good vibes sent his way

that he will do what he was elected to do and work for the people instead of the corporate moneyed interests, PLEASE.

[ZombieHorde]

80. What is a vibe and how do I send it?

Shock me with an honest answer.

[tiny elvis]

82. the sending of a vibe

can be either making an effort to more fully give yourself over to a group mind and solidify the group,
or giving yourself the feeling you are doing something helpful when there is nothing you can do
separately and together, the two purposes can be therapeutic, but the practice may be a little weird and creepy to persons outside the group

[OneGrassRoot]

84. lolol

You know how you have a friend or loved one who desperately needs a hug? Or a complete stranger for that matter.

You can't DO anything more to help them feel better or accomplish what they need to, but want to lend support by giving a hug?

I imagine sending a hug from afar. That's my idea of a vibe.

Simple, perhaps pathetic, but true. It may not help, yes it makes me feel better (and what's wrong with that in this case?), but it most certainly can't hurt.

Dudes, you need a hug!

{{{{{tiny elvis}}}}} and {{{{{ZombieHorde}}}}}

:hi:

:grouphug:

[ZombieHorde]

93. I am shocked!

"but the practice may be a little weird and creepy to persons outside the group"

Definitely weird, but not necessarily creepy.

Personally, I think a kind letter would work better for both the sender and the receiver.

[JNelson6563]

81. So easy to throw stones from afar.

I for one wouldn't know where to begin with the mess he inherited.

Julie--sending good vibes to the President

[bdamomma]

91. for real, the only stones I would throw would be at the Congress.

they are the thorns on Obama's side.

[Tumbulu]

86. Good vibes, yes!!!!! and thanks (nt)

[Hamlette]

87. I've thought we should give over GD President to the haters and move back to GD

officially.

There have been days when I can't even come check out DU the bile against Obama is so thick.

Bush had it easy. He believed in simple solutions. When Rummy told him we could invade Iraq with a small number of troops and at little cost, turn it into a flowering democracy in 6 weeks (6 months tops) and get out the conquering heroes, Bush believed him and did it.

Obama acts like an adult and unfortunately some don't get it. They want him to be a cowboy too and say "I can fix everything with a wave of my wand."

[Fire1]

90. Amen to that! When will people understand that this is not a

dictatorship!

[Fire1]

89. Thank you for this thread and great OP! n/t

[jacobfloyd]

92. K & R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[raystorm7]

94. F@%k Obamas good vibes! I'm still waiting for him to send one my way anytime soon =/

[FunMe]

96. Good vibes while we are being beaten by our President? Geez!

Rihanna was able to open her eyes to reality when someone she loved was doing major harm to her.

I can't believe there are a few people here who refuse to open their eyes to reality: Obama is a CORPORATE WHORE who cares nothing for you. Yesterday, with his administration killing the public option and medicare buy-in should be the nail in the coffin.

Many like me supported the president with money, time and lots of enthusiasm.

But after what the Obama(R) administration has done with the healthcare bill, I now see that we have been punked.

No amount of "where are you going to go", "he's playing chess" or "have patience" will hide the fact that President Obama has let us down in so many areas important to us.

The healthcare bill is not that. It is simply CORPORATE WELFARE for the insurance industry.

If you don't understand that, then go right ahead a be like Rihanna was inititially. DENIAL IS NOT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT.

Obama and the fake Democrats have BETRAYED the American people. Sad.

[Tigermoose]

97. K & R - I'm sick of the whining

Sometimes I think the internet and Cable media is just one huge whine-fest. Grow up people.

[classof56]

98. Good for you! And all those who are sending good vibes to the Prez.

Count me in!

Blessings.