I SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT, DAMN IT!

[SoxFan]

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. You're in the wrong forum

:evilgrin:

[Clio the Leo]

10. lol, kick anyway. NT

[Number23]

118. I can't believe this OP, which only says "I support the Pres, dammit!" got 41 unrecs

I don't get this. I truly don't.

[TheWraith]

2. Kicked and recommended. nt

[Gman]

3. Put on your asbestos suit

here come the wingnuts.

[Mithreal]

105. Takes one to, oh never mind. Yeah, no one has the right to be dissatisfied

or question choices made without being called a wingnut.

Wingnuts are tombstoned with extreme prejudice and not one of them would have donated their time and money to get him elected and help him push an agenda now when it is in line with our treaty obligations and the Constitution and what the American people need, want and deserve.



You see a wingnut, take em down, but don't use the label loosely.

[goclark]

4. Got my suit on

:fistbump:

[Kind of Blue]

5. Yeah, dammit! KnR n/t

[rudy23]

6. Britney?

You support the president no matter what? How noble.

[tridim]

7. Why do you even care?

You trash the President "no matter what", over and over and over again on a Democratic forum. How insane.

[rudy23]

13. Are you calling me out across threads? It isn't "no matter what" I support him on Progressive moves

I'm just disappointed that not only is he going against the left, but he's attacking the left with Rahm's "Message Discipline" team. That's more than disappointing. I feel like Democrats were betrayed, and I'm not alone.

[SIMPLYB1980]

8. And you tear him down at every opportunity.

:eyes:

[rudy23]

12. How are you still here?

I would love it if I weren't this critical of our President--I donated, worked, and voted for him enthusiastically. In case you hadn't noticed, he's frustrated some people with his sharp rightward tack he's taking. It isn't just me, and I'm not trying to "tear" anyone down.

[SIMPLYB1980]

16. Does it make you sad?

:evilgrin: I wonder the same of you all the time. Why are you even at this site?

[patrice]

25. Truly Free persons can be for and against someone/ -thing at the same time.

Slaves are locked into absolutism, positive or negative, the effect is the same, loss of the ability to think and act independently.

Show us you HAVE weighed this whole thing out, pro and con; show us you aren't a slave by identifying one positive aspect of the President's decision. You are entitled to your negative assessment on balance to the extent that you HAVE derived it from Reality and I have to suspect, just a little bit, an assessment that says the President would do something that is 100% negative.

[rudy23]

31. I love his intelligence and I think it gives the world faith in us, and in peace.

He is a great role model for those of us who would like to restore the ability to see the other person's side of an argument in order to diffuse the emotional weight behind the argument. His existence shows off the greatness of the diversity of America, and his intelligence is an endorsement for the value of reason after 8 years of anti-intellectualism.

Obama has also said some great things about the nobility of public service, specifically those working in government. It's a welcome breath of fresh air after years of "drown it in a bathtub" and "government is the problem" rhetoric coming from the Repukes.

He has done some great things for equal pay among genders, and has at least proposed regulations for bankers and Wall St. While his actions don't seem to back up his words on those matters, at least he has identified where the problem lies.

Most of my frustrations have to do with what I see as Obama's enormous talents being used to hurt Democrats from within our party instead of solidifying our beliefs. I, like most Democratic critics of the President, want very much for him to succeed, and have seen him taking many positive steps on other issues. It's just very disappointing to see the direction he's going, and to see him sometimes attacking his own side (through his own words, or through Rahm). I realize it's tougher to govern than to get elected, but I'd like to see the Obama who resembles the man who ran for President, as opposed to the DLC Obama who is attacking Progressive ideals from within the Democratic Party.

[Hekate]

9. KnR. Pass the butter.

Thanks. :popcorn:

Hekate

[LastNaturalist]

11. Damn right, brother!!! I'm with you all the way!!

And I give him an A++.

Factor all the shit that Bush left him with, with an opposition party that stands against everything he is for, and a small contingent of Dems in his own party who care more about their re-elections than American citizens, AND having the media (with the exception of MSNBC) against him most of the way.

A++, Mr. President.

[Dulcinea]

131. I think he's doing the best he can with what he has to work with.

And he doesn't have much. He's stuck cleaning up all the detritus of the past 8 years.

[lxlxlxl]

14. here here...too bad our party has given up and lost focus already

x.x.x.

[avaistheone1]

15. Damn it. All hail to our glorious war president!

[FrenchieCat]

18. I suggest you join the PR department of the Teabagger Propaganda Unit!

Cause that bullshit pic you just posted
says more about you than anything about this President.

[NJmaverick]

32. Don't mind Mr hidden profile, he has been posting that freeper like picture on all sorts of threads

with the same tired line of bullcrap.

[rudy23]

36. How Rovian---accuse Progressives of doing EXACTLY what the DLC is doing.

and you're also giving validity to my "conspiracy theory" that the DLC's long term strategy for dealing with pesky Progressives who WHINE about the President's hard-right, corporate policies is to compare them to teabaggers.

Not just compare them, but to BRAND them using repetition---over, and over to "catapult the propaganda." Good ideas---wrong political party to try to use them on. We are not dittoheads, you cannot shape Democratic opinion like Rove could on his side.

[FrenchieCat]

63. Yeah.....sure! I'm the one posting the propaganda poster of

President Obama and his glorious army!

"War itself is never glorious, and we must never trumpet it as such.

So part of our challenge is reconciling these two seemingly irreconcilable truths --
that war is sometimes necessary, and war is at some level an expression of human folly.
Concretely, we must direct our effort to the task that President Kennedy called for long ago.
"Let us focus," he said, "on a more practical, more attainable peace,
based not on a sudden revolution in human nature
but on a gradual evolution in human institutions." - Barack Obama, Oslo, Norway


Go Cheney Yourself, cause as far as I'm concerned,
folks like you are just as dangerous as the right,
with the made up bullshit, the hyperbole,
and the underwhelming citing of real evidence,
the purposeful lack of any discerning realism,
and the negativity about anything and everything
that has anything to do with this President.

Your success is our failure.....
and since I know that,
I don't need to consider your snark and lack of any critical fairness.

[SoxFan]

79. +1

:fistbump:

[winyanstaz]

100. so you are saying he isn't escalating the war in Afghanistan after all?

And he is going to stop Blackwater waging war in Pakistan any day now?
By the way...what date do you have for when he will end the war in Iraq?
Also I am interested to see if he will bomb Iran or not with all the rhetoric coming out of the Whitehouse it sure looks like it.

[LastNaturalist]

20. Our President is ending two wars started by his predecessor.

And as much as you'd like all troops home by tomorrow, the real world doesn't work like that.

[euphoria12leo]

28. I agree

Has anyone asked the question, if we pulled out of both wars tomorrow and we were attacked then what? We all know what the right would say but what about progressives. Would everyone agree with the President's decision to pull out and have his back? BTW I don't like war and I'm worried about the safety of my family members that are enlisted and everyone else.

[snake in the grass]

60. What are they going to do?

Fly over here on their fighter goats? Law enforcement and intelligence gathering could prevent another attack if used effectively. W. was warned by them, but decided to stay on vacation. Firing rockets off of Predator drones into wedding parties won't stop some crazy person from driving a truck full of diesel and explosives into a shopping mall in the U.S.

[euphoria12leo]

65. I know sending more troops to Afghanistan

won't stop an attack on U.S. soil that will probably happen anyway. My question is if President Obama pulls out and we're attacked how many will still support his decision to do so. Because he's gonna get the blame no matter what. Just how many people that are against the wars will say he did the right thing by pulling out.

[snake in the grass]

71. That's a good question.

I often wonder what would happen if, for example, President Obama would spell it out publicly what we are facing and what this war is costing us, while pointing fingers and naming names. Would the people even take notice? Forty-five thousand people die per year due to lack of health care, yet you hear no noise on this. Imagine another 9/11 with a quarter of those casualties and how people would be beside themselves. We are a strange species, for sure.

[euphoria12leo]

75. People came together when we were attacked 9/11

or so we thought. We can't come together when it comes to forty-five thousand people dying each year. That doesn't seem to register with some people. We face so many deaths each day from lack of health care or just none at all and no one gives a shit. We'll lose more soldiers, people in poverty, people w/o health care, etc. lives will be lost in other countries. Is there an answer to all the madness?

[snake in the grass]

81. I'm cynical.

I don't have any hope that it will change until the U.S. has reached rock bottom. We still have a way to go.

[jeanpalmer]

120. When Spain announced it was leaving Iraq

and pulled its troops out, Al Qaeda publicly stated that Spain would no longer be a target for terrorist attacks. And Spain was not attacked after that. The people of Spain rightly had concluded that the presence of Spanish troops in Iraq provoked terrorist attacks on Spain.

If the standard for leaving is going to be that there has to be no chance of another terrorist attack, no president is ever going to leave. If people in the ME see that US has abandoned its policy of attack and occupation, then their hostile attitude toward the US will also change. And the risk of being attacked will decrease dramatically. But it will require a change of policy. So far Obama has shown no inclination to change that policy.

[rudy23]

38. Wanna bet? Let's revisit this post in 2012.

Last time I checked, you didn't end a war by doubling down.

[LastNaturalist]

39. Alright, if by 2012, I'll take into account the circumstances in both countries...

and re-evaluate how I feel on President Obama's foreign policy.

But it is 2009. Bush was President less than one year ago.

[newtothegame]

47. Really? Because the real world worked like that when we were marching with signs...

that said "OUT OF IRAQ NOW!!!!" just 2 short years ago.

[LastNaturalist]

49. Amen, my friend...

[Mithreal]

109. Obama Has 250,000 "Contractors" in Iraq and Afghan Wars, Increases Number of Mercenaries

Not so fast.

http://rebelreports.com/post/116277092/obama-has-250-000-contractors-in-iraq-and-afghan

Mercenary/contractor numbers are on the rise and Blackwater is fighting in at least 2 other countries.

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/report-obama-admin-blackwater-assassinations-pakistan/
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/24/blackwaters_secret_war_in_pakistan_jeremy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x409727

Ending? It defies all credibility.

[Kind of Blue]

22. Correct on all counts! We should hail him, he is glorious

we are in wartime, and he is president.

[LastNaturalist]

23. Fun fact: Obama is the first president to be "badass cool."

Now Kennedy was "handsome" and Clinton was "fun," but Obama is the first "badass cool" president.

[Kind of Blue]

107. Badass cool works for me :) n/t

[winyanstaz]

102. Isnt that what you said about Bush?

[Kind of Blue]

106. What I said about Bush ? Winyanstaz, You heard

that I said that about Bush? :rofl: :rofl: Please provide your source(s) as you cast asparagus :rofl:

[winyanstaz]

111. umm that was a joke :P

and it worked too I see :)

[Kind of Blue]

124. Yeah, it did :)

Good to see that we can disagree without some of the meanness on both sides lately.

[dionysus]

34. wow. how..shall i say... freeperesque..

[sellitman]

17. I support whoever supports the people.

He qualifies "most of the time".

Not enough of late though.

[NJmaverick]

19. So do I. I don't vote someone into office to fail

So I am not about to go from supporting him to working against him (in less than a year). Especially in light of the fact that he is doing what he said he would do.

[patrice]

21. Yeah, all of these holier-than-thou "peace-niks" need to explain why they think "we" can do whatever

we want and then just walk away whenever we want. Like the rest of the World has nothing to say about the consequences that befall rogue nations.

I maintain some of these people are the same as the anti-UN crowd.

Like it or not "we" DID invade TWO countries and now that "we" are tired of the trouble we have caused ourselves, "we" want to go home. Well, the rest of the World has SOMETHING to say about the consequences of such behavior, whether we like what they have to say about it or not, THAT is what President Obama is dealing with.

I was against all of this BEFORE it happened, but I'm not a child, so I recognize what it means now that it DID happen.

I support President Obama!

[LastNaturalist]

24. I absolutely agree....

now be ready for the onslaught.

[patrice]

27. Oh, I have been standing in the middle of the onslaught. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

All of these "Obama supporters" who are soooooooooooo surprised that he did pretty much what he said he was going to do all along.

Oh, I hear them re corporatocracy and all. I KNOW where this President came from, but that is a different issue from what do we do about here and now about THIS situation.

[LastNaturalist]

29. You're right, we have to take responsibility for our actions.

I hated Bush, and was adamant against the War in Iraq. That said, we still have to be responsible for what that moron-in-chief did. We have to: we are Americans, the last hope of the world, and we have to act like it. I know that won't sit well with everyone.

[NJmaverick]

30. Well said!

[Cha]

91. Right Freakin' On, Patrice!

I SUPPORT PRESIDENT OBAMA!

[winyanstaz]

103. You right...if a burgler breaks in your house, rapes your kids and beats your father...

breaks all the furniture and steals all your assests...he should stay until he fixes the mess he made.

[Goldstein1984]

123. And it isn't "against" then and "for" now

I was in favor of going into Afghanistan, and against invading Iraq.

Afghanistan was manageable and we were popular there after we drove the Taliban and Al Qaeda out. Then we squandered that moment of opportunity to invade Iraq because... well, who knows why the hell we did it, but I assume it was the oil.

The disintegration of Afghanistan under the neglect of Bush/Cheney is very well documented Ahmed Rashid's "Descent into Chaos." Obama just inherited a huge mess.

I'm not happy with the President's decisions in some cases, and I don't like escalating in Afghanistan, but you can't expect Obama to fix overnight what Bush/Cheney took over seven years to screw up.

There are a lot of good people there. A dedicated American has been building schools to empower women in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. Now, if we stop killing two dozen civilians for every military target we kill with a Predator drone, and if we can undo the bad PR created by Bush/Cheney, and if we can make it possible for people like Greg Mortenson, the guy helping these people to build schools, to do more good work, then maybe things will turn out well.

All of that said, I worry that we are not going to accomplish all the above because of bad strategy. And if we choose an aggressive military option that hurts civilians, I would rather we lose. If we are hurting civilians, I WANT us to lose.

I'm going to stay on Obama about this war, and about USA Patriot, and about Honduras, and about Columbia, and about lifting travel restrictions to Cuba, and about GLBT rights, and about legalizing marijuana. Publicly, I'm going to show support. When among friends, I'm going to be a bit more candid.

[Aramchek]

26. Haters be damned!

[treestar]

33. After the Christmas interview I saw last night

It doesn't even matter to Obama. He's going to do what he thinks is right. We are stuck with that.

I think I will go with his judgment and his decisions over any keyboard warrior. Obama is no-drama, he has a cool head and a smart one, most people going on against him are all emotional, and I wouldn't therefore trust their decisions. Glad he's there and not them.

[polichick]

35. I SUPPORT REGULAR AMERICANS, DAMN IT! nt

[NJmaverick]

40. What is a "regular American"? Is that like the real Americans (small town) Palin used to speak

so glowingly of?

[polichick]

43. Americans who aren't part of the corporate con job that runs DC. nt

[NJmaverick]

44. Does one have to do more than work for a corporation to be part of the CCJ or is

it only stock holders and management? What about lower line management or indirect stock holders who hold the stock through mutual funds in 401Ks?

[polichick]

46. imo the WH is part of the corporate con job, along with many in Congress...

I know great Americans who work for big corporations, but I'd put fat cat bankers and healthcare industry manangement into the corporate con job category.

[treestar]

52. Thank you!

This reverse snobbery shit sucks.

Why do some people have to be better than others anyway?

Hatred of "bankers" sounds just as irrational as hatred of anybody else.

[polichick]

54. Duh! I'm talking about individuals as opposed to corporations. Jeez! nt

[treestar]

70. Please inform us which individuals are not regular Americans

And therefore not worthy. Really, this is just like Palin's "pro-America parts of the country" - it's just not geographical.

[LastNaturalist]

45. Ahh, "regular Americans."

I love it when folks delineate who is American, and who is not. How very... "sarahpalinian."

We're all Americans.

[polichick]

48. Regular Americans are typical tax payers, "real" Amurkins is what Psycho Sarah talks about. nt

[LastNaturalist]

50. Greedy corporate bastards are Americans too.

They are. I don't like them, but let's not put some Americans who agree with us in one column, and those who don't in another. I hate that.

[polichick]

51. The key word imo is "regular" - as opposed to corporate entities. nt

[treestar]

56. And who are they exactly, and where does the line get drawn?

How high in the company must a person be before they are considered greedy corporate banker bastards and greedy insurance company executive bastards?

And it's presumed we have to hate them, since they are faceless. We don't hate rich people we can identify, like the Kennedys. Maybe like all others these people should be judged on their acts.

[treestar]

53. So that excludes those too poor to pay taxes

Gotcha.

[polichick]

55. Are you purposely dense?! nt

[LastNaturalist]

57. Me? Sorry, I didn't know you were the Arbiter of Whom is American.

I don't want to make your list of "Americans, Who Are Not American."

You a Palin fan by chance?

[polichick]

58. Your reading comprehension needs work. nt

[Mithreal]

115. Odd that they seem to purposely try to misinterpret what you are saying

[treestar]

69. You said taxpayers

:wtf:

[MNDemNY]

73. It is not those who "whorship" (sic) TV Doctors!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :+

[jefferson_dem]

108. Don't you mean regular 'mercans?

Yee haw...

[Mithreal]

117. Yeah I am sure that is what she meant.

All the obfuscating is going to bite our party in the arse. If those mercans' jobs, homes, pensions, retirement, and children weren't being stolen by the people we are trying so hard to accommodate, then they would become less of a problem for Congress and the President as well. The suffering of 'mercans' and our kind of average American is not something to mock.

I don't know President Obama personally. Nearly all the people I have ever known have been average, regular Americans and they have proven to deserve my loyalty. Build a following for making fun of them at our your own risk.



The grassroots members of the Dem Party should support Obama when he does things that support regular Americans, never simply unquestioningly.

[quiet.american]

37. I second that emotion! :) nt

[Name removed]

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[Blue Owl]

42. Does being a Democrat mean supporting a person, or a set of principles?

To me, it's more about supporting a set of principles than a person.

As much as I like Barack Obama, in the end I remain more loyal to the principles that Democrats are supposed to stand for, like peace, fair labor, civil rights, fiscal responsibility, equal opportunity, etc.

I'm seeing some of these principles compromised lately, and suddenly here we are cutting deals with the devil (Joe Lieberman).

[NJmaverick]

64. I support a set of principles which is the main reason I support Obama

your assumption that all Obama supporters must have sold out their principles couldn't be further afield of the truth.

[RoadRage]

59. 29 Rec's? Freaking Pathetic..

I'd love to start an "I heart Obama" and "I hate Obama" threat at the same time.. and see which one gets the most posts, and most recs.

Very Sadly - i'm sure that the HATE would get far more... and on a Dem site, that's appaling.

[MNDemNY]

61. In anthing he says or does????

Such a nice water-carrier! what a clown.

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. Yay!

[Taverner]

66. Yay! War! Yay! Death!

[AspenRose]

74. Please give a warning next time

Thank you

[Taverner]

76. Sorry

Although I was hoping the OP might see the pic...but I know what you mean

[FrenchieCat]

77. That's what extremist Religious Right Wingers do in their anti-Abortion Propaganda!

Parade pictures of aborted fetuses around...

They would applaud your tactics.

[Taverner]

80. Hey I apologized - what more do you want?

My blood?

[pleah]

82. I guess some people just can't handle reality.

Sad. And, yes if it were allowed your blood would suffice for some.

[winyanstaz]

104. I think these war pics should be on main pages of newspapers all the time...

People need to see what war looks like. Those that support it need to have their noses rubbed into the blood they are spilling.
People that don't support it need to get mad and get out from behind the computers and do something about it.
Same way with the war dead.
War is hell.
Reality is that this is what YOUR and MY taxes are paying for...people should face up to what they are doing.

[NYC_SKP]

67. OMG! This is Flamebait, watch out!!!!

:fistbump:

K and R!

[Phx_Dem]

68. Ditto.

[Hutzpa]

72. I support his administration

and all the good work they're putting in.

K&R


:kick:

[watercolors]

78. SO DO I, AND THE HELL WITH THOSE WHO DON'T!!!!!

NT

[graywarrior]

83. K&R

[Peacetrain]

84. So do I

[akbacchus_BC]

85. K&R. I too support your President but dammit, the clean-up is massive!

Sometimes I wonder if he had any idea what a mess he was stepping into!

I heart President Barack Obama

[silverweb]

114. What you said, akbacchus!

:kick:

[depakid]

86. More proof that Americans view politics like do their favorite sports teams...

[FrenchieCat]

87. This is a DU Thread, and I don't think DUers are all sports fans....

but do go on.....

[depakid]

88. The observation's been made before

Party and personality over policy. Rah, rah- go team.

This is particularly conspicuous among Republicans, who rally round thier party- or their Palin, even though the policies rather clearly militate against their own interests.

[NJmaverick]

94. The observations are self serving claptrap

for those are working on the spin that removes the blame from their destructive actions.

[depakid]

116. Once again irony impairment is on display

Nicely done.

Couldn't have written a better foil had I tried.

Your posts (and attitude) are excellent examples for all to see as tof why Americans who deserve better, end up with the short end of the stick.

[Cha]

90. Whatever. It just shows you don't know everything.

[depakid]

92. Never claimed to- but this isn't exactly the most obscure or esoteric point

[akbacchus_BC]

93. This is not the sports forum ... it is on the right hand side!

[Cha]

89. Nice to meet a fellow Prez Obama supporter, Sox Fan!

Oh, and thank you for starting this thread!

[NorthCarolina]

95. I support "Traditional Democratic Party" principles

unfortunately there are so few traditional democrats left and Obama, unfortunately, isn't proving himself to be one of them.

[phasma ex machina]

96. K&R

:kick:

[asdjrocky]

97. USA USA USA!!!

[Name removed]

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[Mithreal]

99. Yeehaw. I disapprove of some of his choices, damn it.

[WeDidIt]

101. I did until he caved into Joe Lieberman

I'm not down with him any more.

[Name removed]

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[Dinger]

112. That Is Uncalled For mkultra

You should know better.

[grassfed]

113. GLWT

[LittleBlue]

119. Fuck that. I'll support him when he supports me.

It's been a fucking one-way street with this guy: the money flows from my pockets to his campaign coffers. He can earn it before I give him an ounce of support again.

[burning rain]

121. I'll certainly vote for him at the 2012 general election, if he's the candidate, as I expect.

As bastardly as I can be with the lefty criticism, I try to stay realistic (critics--always welcome to have at it!--might say "sunk in lesser-evilism") at the same time. For me the bottom line is that I should almost always vote Democratic at the general election, as someone too far to the left to win a Democratic primary, certainly won't carry the general. Whatever my disappointments with the administration, I will not forget that McCain (along with other top Republicans) would likely have taken us to war with Iran, and certainly saddled us with fascist appointees to the appellate and Supreme courts.

In olden times, Viking warriors brawled with each other in the mead hall, but when they met the enemy, they stood and fought together. I trust it'll be that way in 2010 and 2012.

[Kind of Blue]

128. +infinity! n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

122. Me too! Don't let the Ron Paul & Heritage Foundation interns get you down.

This is, afterall, still "DEMOCRATIC" Underground. Or perhaps Skinner really should think about changing the name?

[SoxFan]

129. Dennis Kucinich Chowder & Marching Society

[swilton]

125. Hero Worship

Can be accepted for rock starts -

I don't accept it when he's messing with my children's future

[azmouse]

126. kick

[freddie mertz]

127. I support the Red Sox too.

But they blew it this year, like the president has been blowing it.

[quaker bill]

130. More now than last November n/t