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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:18 PM
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Newsweek: "Jobs Are on the Way! The nattering nabobs of negativism are ignoring the facts."
Jobs Are on the Way!
The nattering nabobs of negativism are ignoring the facts.


By Daniel Gross | NEWSWEEK
Published Dec 12, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Dec 21, 2009

Pessimism about the U.S. economy has reigned for most of 2009. Pundits on both the left and right have held that the programs enacted to bring the financial system back from the brink wouldn't—and couldn't—work. They have been wrong. The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) would be a classic example of throwing good money after bad. (Bank of America, recently a basket case, just paid back $45 billion in TARP funds—with interest.) The stimulus passed in February was way too small to halt the economic decline. (Actually, it has short-circuited the recession.) The most unexpected event—aside from the stock-market rally that began in March—was the economy's shift from shrinking at a 6.4 percent annual rate in the first quarter to expanding at a 2.8 percent rate in the third quarter. "This growth has been better and stronger than we expected, than anyone expected," says Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

Skeptics are now focused on the next big economic problem we face: unemployment. True, the numbers have been dismal. We've lost 7.2 million jobs, and unemployment in November was 10 percent. For African-Americans, the rate was 15.6 percent, and more than one in four teens are out of work. Economists believe the unemployment rate will persist at 10 percent through 2010. After the previous recession ended in November 2001, companies slashed payrolls for 17 of the next 21 months.

But jobs are on the way, and sooner than you think. Not enough to make everybody happy, of course, or to reach anything approaching full employment. But the data suggest that the economy, now growing at a rate above its historical trend, may be creating more jobs than are being lost. Companies shed only 11,000 payroll jobs in November—the smallest drop since late 2007. For the past three months, the government's first estimate of job-loss figures has been high; when the November numbers are revised, there may be a job gain. Labor-market recoveries are always a lengthy four-step process. First, as businesses stabilize, they fire fewer people. First-time unemployment claims are still elevated, but the four-week moving average is 474,000, the lowest in more than a year. Second, when demand begins to pick up, businesses prod existing workers to work harder. Which is why we've just witnessed the fastest two-quarter productivity surge since 1961. Third, when growth persists, bosses give part-time workers more hours or bring on temporary workers. In November, the economy added 52,000 temporary jobs, the largest addition since 2004, and retail hiring for the Christmas season is up 37 percent this year.

The final step—adding full-time positions—is happening now. Services account for about 86 percent of jobs. And it's here, not in the shrunken housing and finance sectors, where the employment recovery is taking hold. The Bureau of Labor Statistics said that the service sector added 58,000 jobs in November, the second straight month of growth. Among the new service workers are the 240 employees of the Elysian, a 188-room luxury hotel that opened Dec. 9 on Chicago's Gold Coast.

(more)
http://www.newsweek.com/id/226493
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:21 PM
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1. 11,000 jobs lost actually means 161,000 jobs lost because
the economy needs to create, on average, 150,000 jobs per month to account for all the new workers entering the workforce.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:24 PM
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4. Not really - implied number of employed people went up in last survey
That's why rate went down. It's already in there.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:26 PM
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5. No, it's not...it never has been...n/t
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:29 PM
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6. So how did the employed number in BLS data go up.....? NT
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 05:25 PM
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23. the bls “adjusted” household survey showed a loss of 109,000 jobs...
Edited on Mon Dec-14-09 05:29 PM by girl gone mad
in November.

http://markettalk.newswires-americas.com/?p=6816

Not sure why Newsweek chose to use the less respectable figure.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:56 PM
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12. Why argue about jobs created...they make up those numbers....
Wheras the employment claims are fairly accurate.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:14 AM
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31. this doesn't count the people who quit trying.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 03:16 PM
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21. Actually, that would mean 139,000 jobs created, falling 11,000 short of
what is needed to create job growth.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 04:32 PM
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22. 11,000 jobs lost is a lot less than the expected 125,000+ and
Edited on Mon Dec-14-09 04:33 PM by Phx_Dem
a fraction of the 700,000+ jobs lost in March. No matter how you slice it, the economy is climbing out of the ditch. In fact consumer numbers for last week are very positive:

- Retail sales up 1.3 percent, nearly double expectation. Chain store sales were up 1.2 percent for the first week of December vs. one year ago December. Both of these are very strong retail numbers

- Consumer confidence jumped 4.5 percent to 72

- Household net worth for 3rd quarter came out greater than 5 percent. That equals $2.7 trillion increase in household net worth for the 3rd quarter.

- Wholesale inventories went up .3 percent for the first time in 13 months. That indicates restocking for the holidays. That up-number for inventories is very good because it shows consumer purchasing expectations.

- Applications for new home mortgages were up 8.5 percent.

- Consumer credit card debt was down $3.5 billion in October. Down 9.3 percent year-to-date.

- The delinquency rate, which reflects loans that are 30 days or more past due, was 1.10 percent in the third quarter of 2009 and is expected to fall slightly to 1.07 percent by the end of the year.







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KrR Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 05:27 PM
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24. NNoN n/t
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:21 PM
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2. Yippee!!! Now, that's what I'm talkin about! nt
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:23 PM
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3. From his mouth to G_d's ears.
A wonderful phrase even for we nonbelievers.

I suspect we may see another slight uptick in UE for a short time before the job recovery starts, but would be happy to be wrong. Personally (and in full knowledge of its anecdoatl nature) my company is hiring strongly now, and deals with many suppliers who are seeing lead time and capacity issues that they are planning to hire to address.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:35 PM
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7. "nattering nabobs of negativism" I always get a chuckle when I read that phrase
:)
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:43 PM
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8. Spiro Agnew couldn't have put it better ..... nattering nabobs of negativism.
Oh .... he already did!

Agnew called the press "nattering nabobs of negativism" and anti-Vietnam war activists "an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as 'intellectuals.'"

Well, come and sing along with me!

http://www.smart-central.com/happydays.htm
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:47 PM
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:58 PM
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13. Actually written by Safire...
After Nixon's 1968 victory Safire served as a speechwriter for him and Spiro Agnew; he is well known for having created Agnew's famous term, "nattering nabobs of negativism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Safire
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 02:07 PM
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14. Bush used the term Compassionate (when describing his brand of conservativism)
does that mean that word is also on the banned list?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 03:01 PM
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17. Is President Obama calling himself a compassionate conservative these days nt.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 03:03 PM
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20. Nope, but the idea that words or phrases used by others should be off limits
is a silly one:silly:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 07:40 PM
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28. I didn't know that "nattering nabobs of negativism" is a word.

I thought it was a statement.

"does that mean that word is also on the banned list?"

Which word is "that word" that you have in mind?

used?

term?

the?

Bush?

compassionate?

nabobs?

nattering?

negativisn?

of?

And while you're at it, what's your fricken point??
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:53 PM
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10. k and r for the thread title alone.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:55 PM
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11. see, I almost changed the title....
.... it seemed a little too peppy and bashy all at the same time.

But the article is well-worth the read.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 02:13 PM
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15. Out "problem"?...."...Services account for about 86 percent of jobs..."
Edited on Mon Dec-14-09 02:14 PM by SoCalDem
Services are the first to go, every time there's a downturn..until we MAKE stuff and SELL it to people who are not entirely "US", we will constantly be in a boom & bust cycle.

We need to create demand HERE for stuff made HERE, and to sell the extra, abroad...and to go back to tariffs for stuff NOT made here..

and we need to stop letting mega-global conglomerates "call themselves" a US company.. They use the loopholes to pay slave wages abroad, and then ship stuff here as if it was made here, and pay few, if any actual taxes to the US
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 02:54 PM
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16. OBAMAZ ATE ALL THE DAMN JOBS!!!!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 03:02 PM
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18. ha ha! NT
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 03:02 PM
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19. .
:)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 05:33 PM
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26. joe fucking lieberman MADE HIM DO IT!
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 07:54 PM
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29. to bad obamaz didnt eat joe lieberman.
eh.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 05:32 PM
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25. Wonder what it's like to be one of the
NNN's? Who ignores facts and to what purpose?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 05:35 PM
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27. Mr. Gross doesn't seem much concerned with the truth...
Edited on Mon Dec-14-09 05:38 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
"The most unexpected event—aside from the stock-market rally that began in March—was the economy's shift from shrinking at a 6.4 percent annual rate in the first quarter to expanding at a 2.8 percent rate in the third quarter. "This growth has been better and stronger than we expected, than anyone expected," says Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner."

Gross (and Geithner) are both simply L-Y-I-N-G. When you make false statements knowing full well they are false that is a L-I-E.

(Okay... maybe Gross is an idiot and believes what he's writing, but Geithner's statement is worthy of Condi Rice.)

A rebound to 2.5-3% in Q3 GDP was entirely expected.

In fact, the stimulus bill all but mandated it!

Interestingly, Krugman, one of the key un-named nay-sayers who said the stimulus was too small never questioned that GDP would turn positive in Q3 on the strength of the too-small stimulus. Krugman also never said that the too-small stimulus would not end the recession as a economic technical term.

Since the first paragraph is one long outrageous straw-man with prevarication in every sentence I didn't make it to the second paragraph. I'm sure it was excellent, though.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:03 PM
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30. NEWZWEEK IS A BIG CHEERLEADERS!!!
they need to hire that mathew tabby. His middle name is truth.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:04 PM
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32. Loving it!!
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