TPM claims indendant confirmation of Politico Story- WH/ Reid /Lieberman

[chill_wind]

FWIW.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/white-house-pressures-reid-to-cut-a-deal-with-lieberman.php?ref=fpa

[chill_wind]

1. INSTANT unrecs? kicking.

[jsamuel]

3. the unrecs are to try to silence the story

[high density]

13. unrecs are for limp factual basis

Another unnamed person confirming something? That is as worthless as Politico's originalr eport.

[jsamuel]

14. if you say so, but I don't believe it

[high density]

21. I'm tired of unnamed leaks that go nowhere

People get all pissed about them and then a day later we find out the unnamed person was totally full of shit. Once upon a time lousy sources like these people would get outed, but now we have sites like Politico that rely almost exclusively on these bad anonymous sources to generate clicks and revenue. Now they protect these unreliable people because they make money off of it, plus it has the added side effect of making the WH look incredibly stupid in the process. The singly-sourced story then rockets around TV and is ready for the papers tomorrow morning. All from one unknown person who may or may not know WTF they are talking about.

[Aramchek]

28. the debunking snuffed the story, not the unrecs

[jsamuel]

32. So if the WH simply states something is not true, that equals debunking for you?

[Aramchek]

35. so if Politico simply states something is true with no confirmation, that equals the truth to you?

I trust the White House a thousand times more than the Repukes running Politico.

[jsamuel]

40. did I ever claim that this story was absolutely the truth?

No, I simply stated that it has been independently reported by Politico, TPM, and DailyKos.

[Aramchek]

41. come on now, you defend it because you want it to be true

[jsamuel]

42. Not everyone fits into your preconceived notions.

I absolutely do not want this story to be true. What I want is for it to be the opposite. What I want is for Obama is to have told Reid to throw the gauntlet down on Lieberman. However, I don't believe in things simply because I want them to be that way.

[Aramchek]

43. I had no preconcieved notions. I just read your posts.

[jsamuel]

44. and filtered them through your preconceived notions to conclude that I want Obama to tell Reid to

give into Lieberman despite the fact that I say the exact opposite.

[ima_sinnic]

50. you think critics of health care "reform" are wealthy & have no stake in it?

sheesh, get a new script, you're sounding rather stale, and other qualities I won't mention.

how stupid would it be for me, 63 yo, self-employed, and with no health insurance, to "want it to fail"?

What I DO want to fail is some law MAKING ME buy worthless health "insurance."
So far, Obama has done jack to prevent that, and quite a bit to encourage it. Despite his LIE that "everybody's voice would be heard" in the "debate," he made no effort whatsoever to include everybody or even to show an interest in anything besides making sure his biggest campaign contributors--you know, the haves and have-mores?--were happy. He was absent during most of that "debate," if you will recall.

If we get something worthwhile, it will be DESPITE his "help," not because of it.

[high density]

37. Obama White House spokesperson vs. unnamed unknown sources

Yes I and many others here tend to place more trust and value in the comments of an Obama WH spokesperson.

[jsamuel]

2. so does DailyKos, they say they have independent confirmation too

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/14/814081/-Politico:-White-House-Pressuring-Reid-to-Cut-Deal-with-Lieberman

[leftynyc]

46. Dkos is just reporting

on the politico story. I wouldn't believe them if they told me it was daytime.

[jsamuel]

49. no, mcjoan said a source told her directly

I hope the story CNN is reporting is the true story. It says that Rahm told Reid to consider reconciliation. Funny how no one can seem to get the story straight.

[grassfed]

4. whether true, a trial balloon or a hoax it's imp to send a msg

so Obama and Reid can use our reactions for leverage

[chill_wind]

6. Agree.

[Aramchek]

11. but I thought you were dead ceratin that this was fact?

you folks sure like to play fast and loose.

[Aramchek]

5. what's an indendant? another unnamed 'Official'

thanks, but no thanks on that anonymous report to nowhere

[chill_wind]

8. I think we should ban TPM too.

[jsamuel]

9. and DailyKos

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/14/814081/-Politico:-White-House-Pressuring-Reid-to-Cut-Deal-with-Lieberman

[Aramchek]

18. KOS doesn't control what individual contributors link to

you did notice that was a cut n paste of the Politico report, right?

[jsamuel]

20. I cited the website, not Markos

and mcjoan is about as high as you can get after Markos.

mcjoan

Politico is reporting, and a source familiar with the Senate Gang of Ten negotiations has confirmed for me, that the White House has told Reid to cut a deal with Lieberman.

[Aramchek]

24. so you do realize it is a repost, yet you hold it up like it's fresh confirmation

[jsamuel]

27. what part of

"and a source familiar with the Senate Gang of Ten negotiations has confirmed for me" - mcjoan

do you not understand?

That means that the confirmation is not a re-post, but a confirmation to mcjoan from a source.

[Aramchek]

30. if it's the same source, it's the same bullshit story

but keep flailing like a fish on that line. see what it gets you.

[high density]

7. Seems pretty lame to me

I see parroting of the Politico story, supposed confirmation from an unnamed "keyed in aide," and then direct denial from Dan Pfeiffer to TPM. How do we know this is not the same person who sourced the Politico story? That is my main issue with all of these anonymous "confirmations" that keep getting flung around every time something stupid like this flares up.

[Lord Helmet]

10. The White House denies rampant blog chatter.

“The report is inaccurate. The White House is not pushing Senator Reid in any direction. We are working hand in hand with the Senate Leadership to work through the various issues and pass health reform as soon as possible.”

[jsamuel]

12. they can deny it all they like

doesn't make it true

[high density]

15. Their denial doesn't make their denial true?

What in the hell are you talking about?

[Lord Helmet]

16. bloggers can make shit it up

doesn't make it true

[jsamuel]

17. also true

so can senate aids for that matter, but there are now three independent sources claiming the same thing from Politico, TPM, and DailyKos. Now it is entirely possible that their sources are lying, but it is also possible that the WH is.

[Aramchek]

19. you don't really care what the truth is so long as Obama looks bad, right?

[jsamuel]

22. I am concerned about Health Care Reform.

Not everything is about Obama.

[MNDemNY]

23. You don't care what the facts are as long as Obama looks good.

You are a first class water-carrier.

[Aramchek]

25. Obama looks good because he is. and he will continue to do so

despite the efforts of you and all those like you.
I have nothing but pity for you.

[MNDemNY]

29. You're views are clown-like.

:+

[Aramchek]

33. yet my choice for President is in the White House. what happened to yours, pray tell?

My views are in line with those that will determine policy for the next 8 years.
Where are yours??

[MNDemNY]

34. That does not change the fact that your views are clown-like.

:+ :+

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[MNDemNY]

45. Your lack of individual thought must make life easy.

Carry on. Oh...the life of a clown.:+ So happy, so easy.

[rudy23]

26. Obama defenders---why do you think Politico's story is plausible?

Do you think it's because it fits in exactly with how Obama and Rahm have handled healthcare reform from the White House? If it weren't so believable, why do so many of us believe it? I don't want to believe it, yet I do. Why is that?

[Aramchek]

39. I think the word you were looking for was 'implausible'

[chill_wind]

56. I think the word you're looking for is "duped".

eom

[Thrill]

31. Damn is Obama

Going to fight for anything. I'm getting pretty frustrated now. Fight for goodness sakes.

[chill_wind]

36. ...

[zulchzulu]

47. Anyone want to bet this story is bullshit?

Wagers anyone?

[chill_wind]

53. 6:06 pm (TPM continues to report) - Harkin- on the medicare buy-in:

Asked by a reporter if the Medicare buy-in will be pulled out, Harkin said "looks that way," before praising a Democratic health care bill without the two public option compromises.

"There's enough good in this bill that even without those two, we gotta move," he said. "All the insurance reforms, all the stuff we wrote so hard for prevention and wellness in there, the workforce development issues that we have in there, the reimbursement based on quality not on quantity -- there's good stuff in this bill. It's a giant step forward, changing the paradigm of health care in America."

With that, Harkin turned and walked into the caucus meeting. Shortly after him came Lieberman, dashing into the room and taking no questions from the reporters swarmed around him.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/harkin-theres-enough-good-in-this-bill-without-medicare-buy-in-trigger.php

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4184116&mesg_id=4184116

[DCBob]

48. The deal is probably more like cut his cajones off...

if he doesn't vote correctly..

[chill_wind]

55. Turns out not. Not today, anyway. n/t

[chill_wind]

51. Medicare buy-in dead?

Medicare Buy-In Dead?
David Kurtz | December 14, 2009, 5:46PM

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) just told reporters as he entered a special meeting of the Senate Democratic caucus that a Medicare buy-in provision is probably out and tellingly praised the merits of the bill even with that provision stripped out, Evan McMorris-Santoro reports.


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/medicare_buy-in_dead.php?ref=fpblg

[GrantDem]

52. Courtesy of Rahm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/rahm-emanuel-personally-p_n_391786.html

[chill_wind]

54. Rahm sucks. n/t