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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:37 PM
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So, you know how Republicans LOVE to say Reagan is responsible for the fall of the Berlin Wall?
If Obama negotiates a true end of Mubarak's power - will he get the credit?

Not saying it's justly deserved. But it seems there is more personal diplomatic involvement, in the last three days, than anything we saw out of Reagan during the Cold War. Oh sure, he stared down the Soviets - but he spent us into near-oblivion doing so. He's just lucky they spent more than we did.

Just a random thought on this Friday morning.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:48 PM
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1. They also said he use to be a life guard that saved 77 people.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 01:39 PM by RandomThoughts
heh, so is it propaganda, or preset occurrences in space time.


Here is my theory on it, a condition exists that must be corrected. If you take an easy correction to that situation then the system can continue on in any form.

Personally I have a guarantee in life that must happen if the guarantee is faithful, which is what I believe.

Therefore all existence would change before that guarantee is broken.

I also have free will, as should everyone else. (what is the movie Free Willie really about, remove the blockers)

Therefore, the entire world must change until things are corrected, and must be done within free will choices of people. That is best done by removing fear, education, and concepts of justice with compassion. But until things that can be shown just have proper correction, the world must change to correct that situation.

And there is nothing anyone in the world can do about that.

Hence why when I post that I am due beer and travel money, and know that to be just, and since it is, a person can change the world by standing on a just point, any point that is just, if the person themselves does not use stealing free will.


However there are groups that pray against free will that try to change things, they try to change things by breaking your standing.

For those that don't know, this entire situation is because of someone that prays against free will, and my claim of free will, that is what is creating all this.


And the reason I post about it, is because I learned from the concepts of making things visible and peaceful protest by showing the world what is going on. Whatever they do, I am only going to try to show what is being done, not do anything, since I already am due beer and travel money.


Here is the funny part, every person that has thought they are better by blood lines or genetics, or that think in any terms of the concepts I posted, are bound by rules applied back against them to create the proper correction to such things, because by the claims they used for their idea of having things, they must honor my claim, rules applied back. Regardless if such ideas are how I think or not.

I only know that I am due beer and travel money, because of wrongful smear done years ago, while I was defending a just concept.
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Hillprop Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:39 PM
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2. I hate Reagan as much as the next guy..
..but to say Reagan was not personally involved with the Soviets is rather ignorant. Reagan was a very close friend of Gorbachev since the end of 1986. They were hanging out on Reagan's California ranch rather frequently, and the first arms reduction treaty in quite some time came out of that friendship.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:45 PM
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3. Who said he wasn't?
But the Soviet Union didn't collapse because of Reagan. In fact, I'd wager his renewed fight against the Soviets rallied their country and kept it going longer than it probably would have had our government let things end on their own. The country was bankrupt long before Reagan took over.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:11 AM
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8. Gorbachev deserves the credit for bringing down the wall
Perestroika and glasnost really f'ed up that dictatorship
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:50 PM
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4. "Egypt...take down that Mubarak!" There IS an Obama speech over there...
that Egyptians still speak about. But it takes more than one speech made a year or so ago, esp when it didn't directly tell Egypt to change governments and join Democracy (did it? I don't think so, as I recall).

But Obama's mere Presidency has had an effect on some Egyptians, going by what I've heard some of them say. I'm not sure why.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:00 PM
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5. In all fairness, Reagan spent decades speaking out against the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall
Obama hasn't spent his lifetime railing against Egypt and Mubarak.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 11:43 PM
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6. Ronald Reagan was no Günter Schabowski.
One man was responsible for the fall of the wall, and it sure as hell had nothing to do with Reagan.

Let me guess: That's not in the history books, is it?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 11:54 PM
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7. Obama could slay a few dragons
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