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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:27 PM
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"He has not disappointed me. His leadership validates my belief in his instincts"
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/2/11/123718/929

A Look at Obama's Role

by BooMan
Fri Feb 11th, 2011 at 12:37:18 PM EST


Let us ruminate on the following excerpts from Obama's Cairo Speech of June 4, 2009.

Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America's founding. This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from Eastern Europe to Indonesia. It's a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered...

I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years, and much of this controversy is connected to the war in Iraq. So let me be clear: no system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other.

That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people. Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people. America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere.

There is no straight line to realize this promise. But this much is clear: governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments – provided they govern with respect for all their people.


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The brave Egyptian people deserve the credit for making this revolution happen, but it was crucial that our president signaled his support for the effort, did everything he could to protect them a violent crackdown, and finally put his finger on the scale at the crucial moment. We will learn more details in the years to come. There is no doubt that there has been division within the administration, with Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and even envoy Frank Wisner showing support for a continuation of the Mubarak regime. But the president didn't waver and he kept the promises he made in Cairo nearly two years ago.

He has not disappointed me. His leadership validates my belief in his instincts.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:49 PM
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1. He does deserve credit.
His Rubinomics, and the global speculative Ponzi schemes that resulted from his war on workers, helped fan the flames of revolution.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:51 PM
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2. Yawn. But thanks for the kick!!! nt
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:51 PM
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3. All the credit goes to the Egyptian protesters
They've earned it. Americans like to think that we carry a lot of weight when it comes to these type of events, but our influence is overstated in many cases.

Our soft power has steadily dried up over the years.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 08:06 PM
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4. No one is disputing that, but Obama's support for this moment
didn't hurt.
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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 08:46 PM
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5. I agree!!!!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 09:15 PM
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6. True. n/t
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:38 AM
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7. His support for keeping torturer extraordinaire Suleiman in power?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:10 PM
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14. Then that is all the Egyptian people accomplished?
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:57 PM
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16. No, this is the Egyptian people's accomplishment.
Not Obama's.
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 09:59 AM
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12. I have a sense that ...
behind the scene, PRESIDENT Obama stood like the biggest, baddest kid on the block holding back those who waited to jump into that head-up school-yard fight.

So I think he did more than just "support" the people of Egypt, he stopped others from putting their thumb on the scale.

Good Job, my president!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 12:51 PM
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13. If he had stepped out front,
and supported it from the beginning,
I would agree.
But he didn't.

As usual, he straddled the fence until it was a done deal,
then joined the parade when it was safe.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 06:36 AM
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8. Credit to the Administration.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 09:37 AM
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10. I agree-he's just smarter and nicer
This whole overplaying of non-violence gives me the creeps. They would have us believe that by not defending ourselves we are accomplishing something. There were a lot of armed black people in Mississippi and it looked like some pretty good rock throwers in Tahrir Square. Many of the AIM people I knew were ex infantry and damn good shots also. I don't advocate violence, but I do think self defense is important.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 09:38 AM
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11. Wish it weren't so, but it is - just look at his cabinet choices. nt
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66 dmhlt Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:17 PM
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15. Kudos to the Obama Administration for their wise handling
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 07:18 PM
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17. Oh no, that can't be. Anyone who isn't with the workers, is against us. It was just an accident that
it worked out. The President had nothing to do with it, because he's against us the workers.

:sarcasm:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:28 PM
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18. "It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children
or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered..."

Unless it's a Drone aimed at Pakistan, then it's courageous, powerful & morally right. :sarcasm:
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guyton Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:16 PM
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19. ... as much as Ronald Reagan for the Berlin wall and fall of the USSR
... which is to say, not much.

Some support yes, but credit? I don't think so. This was the Egyptian people, and
particularly the Army, doing the right thing.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:33 PM
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20. If only he'd shown similar leadership when it came to health care reform.
The Cairo speech was excellent. He said the right things. :)

But on health care he made sure most of us will remain in the clutches of the vultures.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 01:48 AM
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22. There was no chance of getting a public option. None. Zero. Zip.
All right already?

You can't change an enormous system THAT VIRTUALLY EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY USES to a totally different system in one bill. It can't be done.

What CAN be done? Getting a bill that corrects some of the injustices, and gets the government more involved to protect certain rights (like those with pre-existing conditions being able to GET insurance coverage, unlike before).

THEN you have a ladder on which to build in the future. More changes can be made. Incrementally.

Other countries were able to have a national system because they never had a broad insurance company system to begin with.

You didn't get a team of horses, but you did get your pony.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:41 PM
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21. Would have kicked
But I missed the 24 hour time limit
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