I have a feeling everything is going to turn out fine

[CreekDog]

[tblue]

1. He's got this, yeah.

Praying that you do, Mr. President.

[Clio the Leo]

2. yup nt

[rufus dog]

3. You will not see a Libya post here in June

It will be over and we will have moved onto the next Obama outrage.

[Kaleva]

6. I agree.

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[tekisui]

9. That's a helluva a prediction. Bookmarking.

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[Bluenorthwest]

14. DOMA is still the law of the land, and it denies me rights equal

to yours. Trust me, that is an actual injustice and the rage you hear around it is righteous. You wish to call my civil right a 'manufactured outrage' and that is a huge part of the problem in this Party as a whole.
To be clear, those who oppose equal rights hold bigoted attitudes and such attitudes should never be met with silent acceptance. Those who hold the coats are as to blame as those who throw the stones.

[JoePhilly]

28. You miss my point.

My point was not that people should not be outraged about DOMA.

My point is that Obama has been a target of that outrage for much of the last 2 years. Same with DADT. And here on DU, claiming that Obama is against the LGBT community has been common.

Here on DU, many predicted that Obama was secretly against repeal of DADT. After that repeal passed, rather then cheer it, many simply dropped it. Some even said that Obama "didn't really want to do it".

DOMA is similar. Lots of screaming that Obama needs to end that. Then when he indicates his DOJ won't defend it, it drops off the map.

But my larger point is not about either of these specific issues. Its about how every week, there is a flurry of reasons to hate Obama on one specific topic.

Last week was Bradly Manning. The week before, Nuclear energy.

Before that, predictions that Obama would declare social security cuts in the SOTU and then same predictions for his budgets (neither of which actually happened) came and went.

This week, its ... Libya.

Today ... there was a bombing in Jerusalem.

Might that be the catalyst for a week of OPs on why "Obama hates Israel"?

That's what I'm talking about.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. That is NOT what you said the first time.

At all. And never the less, when a member of the oppressive majority declares that a fight for simple equality is 'manufactured outrage' which is EXACTLY what you said, that is nothing but bully scented bull shit.
Have a nice day trying to manufacture outrage toward GLBT people. Which seems to be your objective. What other end could come of your labeling a fight for basic rights as faked and false?

[JoePhilly]

36. I have no intent to manufacture any outrage towards GLBT folks whatsoever.

So again, I will try to be clearer in my intent. Maybe this time I will do better. But who knows.

My point was NOT that the GLBT community should not be outraged about DADT or DOMA. They should. Both are WRONG, and have been from the moment they came to be. And they should have been removed, long ago. And I agree with that. And I argue for it.

But my larger point (which I posted in reference to a post which predicted that Libya would be FORGOTTEN by June) was that here on DU, every "hot topic" becomes a reason to hate Obama. And a LOUD part of DU tends to knee jerk its way from issue to issue, with "Obama is bad" as its theme. The specific issue CHANGES on a regular (almost weekly) basis. But the specific issue does not actually matter.

And so, as one example I mentioned DADT and DOMA. Not because I think that the GLBT community should not be outraged about those, as I said, they should. But here on DU, Obama was attacked on those on a regular basis, almost as if HE in-acted them.

In a sense, they simply became part of the "reason to hate Obama" rotation. And my saying that, is not an attempt to say that the GLBT community hates Obama. That would be wrong, as your assertaion above that my "objective" was to attack GLBT folks is wrong.

I think this may surprise you, but in my mind, when I posted my initial comment, and used DADT and DOMA as an example, I really did not assume that a person who was attacking Obama on not getting DADT or DOMA overturned fast enough MUST be part of the GLBT community.

The "manufactured outrage machine" that I speak of (and you can probably find my other posts on it) is not tied to any specific issue. It is a machine that will take ANY HOT ISSUE OF THE WEEK" and churn out OPs as to why Obama is a terrible President.

And so again, the specific issue is not critical ... could be DADT, DOMA, Eqypt, HCR, Financial reform, Social Security cuts that Obama as yet to declare (but which are imminent), Libya, Nuclear power ... and so on.

And so again, I am sorry if my choice of example offended you.

[ZombieHorde]

19. Gay rights are a manufactured outrage?

I am going to have alert on this.

Edit to add I chose these two options:

Personal attacks, insults, name-calling, or questioning the character or motives of other DU members; discussing DU members rather than ideas.

Insensitive (bigotry, hate, ridicule, stereotyping) toward certain groups of people.

[JoePhilly]

29. See my response in new post #28

I did not do any of those things.

I have a very simple point. And it actually had nothing to do with gay rights specifically.

My point is that no matter what Obama does, on any topic, the outrage machine "move on", and it does so, roughly every week or so.

DADT and DOMA are only examples. HCR, Financial reform, Egypt, Libya, Israel, and Bradly Manning would be a few others.

Do you recall how before DADT fell, there were many predictions here on DU that Obama was secretly against it? Then when it passed, there were claims that "he didn't really want to do it"? And then, the meme shifted to "Obama is going to slow walk it"? And now that its actually being implemented ... well, its dropped and Obama gets no credit.

That example is just one example. I used it mainly because it is one of the more recent.

I could have use Egypt. Recall that one? Lots of screaming that Obama was trying to protect Mubarack. Obama was secretly trying to keep Mubarack in power. Obama needed to be using more forceful language. Then, Mubarack steps down. And we see the same pattern.

And now we see it AGAIN with Libya. This time, its not that Obama was too weak, its that he is too strong. This will continue in a similar pattern, until it is replaced with the "new" political outrage.

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[The Philosopher]

24. Sure

Sure, it doesn't matter that rights are denied to American citizens, let's not pay attention to that at all. That way we can focus on the real issues, which is winning against the Republicans, because that's all that matters. Oh, and building a list to tell people who are still hurting that they should just learn to read and clap for the selected politician of the day.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

25. "DADT and DOMA" = "Manufactured Outrage"???

Isn't this exactly what's being spotlighted in the GLBT forum?

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

15. Won't Obama be impeached by then??

:sarcasm:

[JoePhilly]

27. As I said before ... the outrage machine will move on.

And if Obama takes a course of action that is along the lines of what the outrage machine wants, he will get no credit for having done so.

And that was my point on DADT. The issue I spoke of was not that people should not be outraged about that, or DOMA. The issue I spoke of was the relentless attacks on Obama for having not acting on these fast enough.

Now that he has taken action on these, the outrage has simply shifted to a new topic.

Maybe Egypt, maybe nuclear weapons, Libya ...

My point is that each week or so the reason to hate Obama shifts to a new topic.

Which is why, not only do I think you are right about June, I think the outrage will have shifted long before then. And again and again up to, and beyond June.

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[bhikkhu]

5. K&R, why not?

The people in Benghazi - all 600,000 - are unlikely to ever forget this weekend, whatever else happens. Hoping it all turns out easier than we thought, like all the Gadhafi supporters just snapping out of it finally...

[Sky Masterson]

8. I sort of do too.

I don't know why.

[vaberella]

10. On this issue...I hope so. Ugh...this Libya thing is a nightmare. n/t

[VoteProgressive]

12. Not this again!

[Vattel]

13. I hope you are right about the situation in Libya.

The damage to the Constitution has already been done and can't be undone.

[displacedvermoter]

16. That is going to be just fine, too!!!

You worry too much. And you probably have a heart full of poutrage and you never loved Obama, anyway!

[Kermitt Gribble]

17. I like this one better:

[polichick]

18. You forgot the sarcasm thingy - this is a joke, right?

[MissDeeds]

21. +1 n/t

[Myrina]

20. yes because he looks so in charge and dreamy when he's speechifyin' ...

... about how "fine" it's really going to turn out.

:eyes:

[Runework]

23. another cakewalk

right?

[Paladin]

26. Wishful Thinking On Your Part..

The Libyan thing is unraveling by the day, just like the other foolhardy U.S. efforts in the Mid-East---you know, the ones that were supposed to be so Goddamned easy, be over so quickly, and be fully paid for without a problem, with grateful residents greeting us with palm fronds and rose petals upon our arrival, right before a full-scale democracy made a permanent appearance. Yeah, right......

[verges]

30. optimist. nt

[woo me with science]

31. That's my sigline,

but it is a helpless, desperate sort of wishing at this point...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

32. I hear ya.

I lose money on every deal but I make it up in volume.

[Marrah_G]

33. I envy your optimism

[tweeternik]

34. Muti-dimensional chess thing .....

it'll work out. There is a plan. Our President has got this!