Ms. Popular: Clinton tops Obama, others in administration

[El Supremo]

Move over, President Obama. You may have won the hearts of the electorate in 2008, but your former primary opponent is stealing them back.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's approval rating has reached 66 percent, her highest during Obama's term and second-highest of all time, according to Gallup. She handily beats other top members of the administration, including Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who clock in at 54 percent, 46 percent, and 52 percent, respectively.

Clinton's highest rating ever, 67 percent, came just after her husband was impeached amidst the Monica Lewinsky scandal. After her entry into politics as a New York senator, Clinton's approval rating dropped into the 40s. Throughout her term and the 2008 election, her approval hovered between the mid-40s and mid-50s, and then began a steady rise....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110331/pl_yblog_exclusive/ms-popular-clinton-tops-obama-others-in-administration

[sharp_stick]

1. She's been an excellent

Secretary of State and deserves the high approval ratings IMO.

[Name removed]

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[ismnotwasm]

75. That was uncalled for n/t

[Arkana]

2. That's great, but it helps to not be an elected official anymore.

[vroomvroom]

3. +1 - It is silly to be comparing her since it is clearly not a proper comparison

But it is safe to say she would win against Obama if going for election. Sadly, Clinton is even more corporate owned than obama. And Obama already cant give enough corporate kissing.

[BklnDem75]

4. It's safe to say...

but very inaccurate.

[FrenchieCat]

6. Yep......those Black Folks would be standing in line trying to vote for Hillary over Obama....

Oh wait!

[Beacool]

13. Yep, it's always about race, isn't it?

Regardless, Hillary could be at 90% approval and she wouldn't pull a Ted Kennedy. That's not her style.

:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

22. My point remains.....

Someone opining that Hillary would probably beat Obama currently as it stands
are forgetting what some of the most loyal Democratic voters that there is
would prove that theory wrong....
and yet, mentioning such folks is now "all about race"?

What's next in your asernal of "things that can't be brought up because it offends Beacool's fragile sensibilities?"

[Beacool]

27. I just find it amusing, that's all.

;-)

[FrenchieCat]

32. Yeah......having a Black person remind others that they have cut Black folks out of the equation

concerning their nonsense theories based on nothing could be amusing
....to some.

[aaaaaa5a]

49. That's yet another reason why I respect Clinton.

She could challenge Obama. But she would never win, and she knows it. What she would succeed in doing is making sure that a Republican took office. That's bad news for all of us. There could be 2 Supreme Court appointments next term. That alone is enough to stay united.

There are a lot of people that believe that had Carter not been challenged by Kennedy in 1980, he would have defeated Reagan. That race was actually very close. Carter was leading until about the final 2 weeks. On election day, Reagan had 51% of the vote. 49% of the people wanted Carter or John Anderson who challenged Carter to the left. Heck, Anderson even held a Presidential debate between he and Reagan WITHOUT Carter!

The terrible blunders by the self destructing Democrats helped give rise to the Reagan revolution.


I hope Hillary understands what Kennedy, Anderson and Nader did not. I think she does. And this will help our chances for re-election in 2012.


And yes, I think Hillary has 1 finally run in her.


Obama 2012
Clinton 2016

[Avant Guardian]

56. Hillary says she wont run in 2016

She says she would 'like to retire someday'.

Having said that, I do believe she will go for it in 2016. I think she will do the 'Clinton thing' like her husband has been doing since he got out of office, traveling and making things happen and having fun doing it. I get the sense with Bill that he is having fun being Bill Clinton, because he still has so much power to make things happen, but without the pressure of the office.

That is why I believe she wants to quit as Secretary of State after four years. Rest up for 2016, a little nip of retirement. She has always been restless, cant see her rocking on the porch in her aged years. She would be a much stronger candidate after her time working for Obama.

[aaaaaa5a]

57. Could you imagine the scene

of two term President Barack Obama publicly endorsing Hillary right before the Iowa caucus? Hillary will have the 2016 nomination wrapped before Super Tuesday this time! A third Democratic term will be enough to flip the U.S. Supreme Court in our favor for a generation. Pus, it would do the country good to have its first black president and then its first woman president in back to back Presidencies.


I predict Obama will be a huge help to Hillary in 2016. Despite the continued sniping on this board from both camps, Hillary and Obama are very good friends. Bill, Hillary, and Obama all get along well. Perhaps we should all take our cues FROM THEM.

[Beacool]

70. It should have been the other way around.

Hillary and then Obama. We could have then had 16 years of Democratic presidents. As it stands, in 2016 I would bet that we end up with a Republican. Bill Clinton was the only Democratic president to be elected to two terms. I think that Obama will be reelected in 2012, but I don't think that the party will keep the WH in 2016.

[aaaaaa5a]

85. I think we have a chance...

I see our position now like where the GOP Presidential candidates were in the 1980s.

Ronald Reagan and George Bush fought hard against each other in the 1980 GOP Primary. Remember "voodoo economics?" Reagan then reluctantly took Bush as his VP. In what was called a "realignment electoral college" Presidential race in 1980, the GOP took control. In 1984 Reagan was re-elected. And then in 1988 Bush won to make it 3 in a row.

1980-Reagan
1984-Reagan
1988-Bush

I believe the 2008 Presidential election was the realignment electoral college election for us, like the 1980 Presidential election was for the GOP.


2008-Obama
2012-Obama
2016-Clinton


I would also point out that we were this/close to winning 3 in a row from 1992-2000. Remember, in 1992, 1996, and 2000 the Democratic Presidential candidate received the most votes for President.

1992-Clinton
1996-Clinton
2000- Gore had the most votes.


So looking at recent history over the last 30 years, winning 3 Presidential elections in a row is not impossible. In fact from a purely mathematical standpoint, it's even likely.


Hillary Clinton 2016!!!

[Fire1]

82. If they didn't vote for McCain they damned sure won't vote

for Hillary (a female) at her age in 2016. That's just rubbish.

[Avant Guardian]

84. Who is 'they'?

The Clinton days were good days in America, she would win hands down.

[Fire1]

87. Hillary IS NOT BILL!! Epic fail. n/t

[aaaaaa5a]

86. Those are two different voting blocks….

People who voted for John McCain in 2008, are never going to vote for Hillary Clinton regardless of her age.

Lets' face it, if you voted for the GOP in 2008, THERE IS NOTHING ON EARTH that will ever lead you to vote for a Democrat. The only way those type of people will ever vote for a Democrat again is if the parties revert back to their pre civil right years when the Democrats were a segregationist party and controlled the deep south.

[Fire1]

88. My point is some in that republican voting block voted

democrat and many for the first time in their lives. Granted, much of it had to do with palin but his age certainly didn't help. I think many repubs would have voted for him despite palin had he been younger.

In Hillary's case, the fact that she's a female is a hard sell by itself and adding age as a variable would be horrific and she knows it. She wants to retire alright and it has NOTHING to do with running for president. She's TIRED!!

[musicblind]

89. Obama 2012 and Hilary 2016... That would be a dream :) n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. And we can't wait to replace Obama with a warmongering Neocon...

who can't even stand up for women's rights in these countries she wants to liberate. We need principled leadership, not more grandstanding and cowboy diplomacy. Eight years of shrub was enough. Besides, Hillary's retiring, haven't you heard?

[AtomicKitten]

9. polling on hypothetical Democratic primary

Pres O 59% ... HClinton 28%
Pres O 68% ... HDean 10%
Pres O 79% ... BSanders 8%

12/2010 NH: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/poll-obama-way-ahead-in-hypothetical-2012-nh-primary.php

[treestar]

11. Hee hee, thanks!

The 66% is not as against Obama, it runs parallel. And approving her as SOS does not mean those who approve want her to be President over Obama.

[AtomicKitten]

12. de nada

[CakeGrrl]

26. Reality check!

That would throw a really wet blanket over all the "Who would you vote for in a Dem Primary" threads.

[AtomicKitten]

64. So it would seem.

Except some folks here are impervious to reality.

[karynnj]

30. No it isn't safe to assume that - the opposite was true in head to head polls

It was actually polled - and Obama won by over 15 points.

Here's one from last September - his own numbers are now better.

But here it is! Barack Obama leads his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, by a 15-point margin in a ballot test, 52-37. Stuff that would have been useful for Gallup to point out; the most successful (and still failed) challenges to incumbent presidents in recent history, in 1976 and 1980, began with polls showing challengers actually beating the incumbents. In 1979, Ted Kennedy had a monstrous lead over Jimmy Carter until the hostage crisis began and gave Carter a bounce. This poll shows the president leading the incredibly popular secretary of state -- approval ratings up to 20 points higher than his -- by a safe margin, at a political nadir.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/09/30/gallup-s-obama-hillary-2012-primary-poll-or-how-to-invent-news.aspx

[INdemo]

74. We don't have "elected" officials anymore

They are bought by corpoartations..The election process is nothing more than a formality.When Democrats talk about this election costing a billion dollars well its obvious that all that money will not come from "grassroots" Obviously the corporate mafia will front most of that money.....

[DrToast]

5. Should come in handy when she runs in 2016.*

*

[cottonseed]

7. Seems like the less people see or hear from her. The more they like her.

[jenmito]

8. The REAL story here is that OBAMA'S approval is at 54%! That's GREAT for all he's been

going through and for all the criticism he's been taking since he became president. :thumbsup:

[totodeinhere]

15. What poll are you reading? This poll has his approval level at the lowest ever.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-30/obama-s-job-approval-lowest-level-libya-action-opposed-in-poll.html

[jenmito]

19. I'm reading the OP. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. So true. Unlike "Ms. Popular," Obama has to govern, which means ...

sometimes having to take unpopular, but principled, positions.

[treestar]

10. It's not either/or

One can approve of both, so there's no "stealing them back."

[CakeGrrl]

14. This has been done before. It's not a competition anymore.

Hillary is not stepping into the WH because of her favorables. She'd have to earn it with an election, and she's said repeatedly she's not doing that. She doesn't even plan to be back as SoS for President Obama's 2nd term.

Consider the source. The RW is ever trying to sow the seeds of discontent on the Left. The problem is that it's very easy to do.

[totodeinhere]

16. I think that a lot of Democrats are having buyers remorse and wish they had voted

for Hillary Clinton. But regardless of her entreaties to the contrary, I think we will get a chance to vote for her again in 2016.

[ClarkUSA]

18. Where do you get that "think" from, considering there isn't a poll out there that backs you up?

i have no doubt she'll run in 2016, barring any health problems due to her old age.

[totodeinhere]

20. I know that this is anecdotal, but I have read a lot of postings at DU saying that

they regretted voting for Obama after all that has happened lately.

[ClarkUSA]

23. ROFL!!! Fortunately, that doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the real world.

It is a fact that a huge majority of liberal Democrats have always approved of Pres. Obama's job performance since his inauguration, according to Gallup polls (and every other credible polling outfit).

[CakeGrrl]

24. DU is not representative of Dems/Liberals as a whole

It's a small group of people reinforcing and amplifying their discontent. Some have never wanted Obama in office, some are looking for any excuse to say "I knew it", some hang on what Bill Kristol and Tucker Carlson say about the President to validate their opinions.

DU is not a place that appears, on the whole, to support a Democratic President, if the polling within this forum is any indicator.

But that is not what is occurring in the nation.

[Avant Guardian]

46. Actually, it is

What I see here reflects what I see out there, generally speaking.

The big difference I see is that Democrats on DU tend to be better informed than Dems/Liberals as a whole.

[JTFrog]

21. Lolz. n/t

[Skip Intro]

35. Of course. But a lot of people here are going to react negatively at the mere mention.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

53. Yes, because Hillary is as liberally *pure* as Dennis Kucinich!!!

:sarcasm:

[Vattel]

17. I respect Obama and Hillary's talents

but I don't want either to be President. I want someone who is less militaristic and more pro-civil-liberites.

[Cali_Democrat]

25. LOL

- "Clinton tops Obama"
- "Move over, President Obama"
- "You may have won the hearts of the electorate in 2008, but your former primary opponent is stealing them back."


I don't know what to say except this article probably won't go over well in this forum. That appears to already be the case. LOL.

[Ter]

28. Too bad we can't flash back three years ago

n/t

[mkultra]

54. i wonder why people didnt like her back then

oh yeah. Now i remember

[Whisp]

58. I keep this link as a reminder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tngWyRHIjYU

what an idiot. unprepared idiot - geeze can't she take a bit of time to make up some lies, she KNEW this would come up. or maybe not, maybe the question squeaked through without her approval and to her great surprise.

[mkultra]

59. yeesh. That was creepy

[aaaaaa5a]

60. Ouch! She didn't look to good there.

Remember this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsffxWZbXs&feature=related

[Whisp]

62. guess Chelsea had sleep deprivation as well.

what are the odds.

[ecstatic]

80. lol. Absense makes the heart grow fonder

I really liked her A LOT but by 2/08, I remember being completely disgusted and done with her. Now I like her again :)

[karynnj]

29. This writer has no ability to interpret statistics

You can not take two favorable ratings and say who is the more popular. The results do not tell you for the group that approve (or disapprove) of both, who they prefer over the other.

[karynnj]

31. Why didn't we have the same excited stories when Madelaine Albright had

higher approval scores than Bill Clinton. DOes anyone ever remember comments that this meant she was more popular - or even some suggesting she would be a strong competitor in a primary against Clinton? I really don't.

[Beacool]

33. Did Albright run for president against Bill Clinton?

Was she a politician ? Was she elected senator? Did she miss becoming her party's nominee by a hair? Is she one of the most famous women in the world?

Please stop trying to compare Hillary to Albright, Condi and the other SOS who preceded her. Hillary is in a category of her own, but rest assured, she has no intention of splitting the party by running against Obama in 2012.

:eyes:

[karynnj]

39. Pretty defensive there

I was not comparing Albright to the august, majestic, magnetic, wonder woman, Saint Hillary, I was, in fact, using the fact that the SAME polling existed for her vs Clinton to point out that it is completely normal that the SoS has higher approval ratings than the President. The fact is I doubt even Albright would think that she was more popular than Bill Clinton.

The fact is that Clinton has no chance of defeating Obama in a primary. Polling on that has her double digits behind. Not to mention, the timing does not work. A serious challenge would have already have to have started - at least in terms of doing some exploratory work and lining up Fiance people. Before that, she would have to leave as SoS. Leaving in the middle of crisis - which is and will continue to be the case to run against her boss, would immediately change those approval numbers.

Not to mention, look at who votes in primaries. Primary Democratic voters have always been slightly to the left of the entire population of Democrats. Hillary, who is MORE hawkish than Obama and at least as centrist, is not likely to gain the support of any insurgency type opposition to a sitting President. Look at the times a President had a serious primary challenge - and tell me if they were more to the center than the sitting President. (Here's some help - Kennedy and McCarthy were to the left of LBJ and more anti-war, Reagan was to Ford's right, Kennedy was to Crater's left and Buchanan was to GHWB's right. The ONLY one I can think of is Pete McCloskey in 1972. You might also consider the parties are both more polarized now than in the past.)

You can define many people as "in a category of their own". In fact, other than the fact that he was male, Ed Muskie was SoS, a Senator and a politician and was the front runner for the nomination in 1972, until Nixon's dirty tricks destroyed his chances. Both Gore and Kerry got closer to the Presidency than Hillary - Gore likely did win and Kerry would have had there been adequate voting machines - are they in categories of their own?

[Beacool]

41. Oh please, give it a rest already.

Neither Gore nor Kerry were SOS. Of course they came very close to becoming president, they were the party's nominees, for crying out loud!! My point is that every time there is a complimentary, innocuous thread about Hillary you seem to feel compelled to write rambling responses refuting it.

As for the 2012 primaries, it's pretty ironic that Obama's two largest demographics have the highest unemployment rates in the country. As a matter of fact, unemployment for AA men just ticked up in March. But as I previously said, rest assured that no major Democratic politician will run against him. It would split the party, just like it did in 1980.

;-)

[karynnj]

43. Are you seriously suggesting that due to AA male unemployment

that AA males would prefer Hillary Clinton to Barak Obama? Not to mention, there is NO reason to think that the UI rate would be lower under HRC. As to SoS, you do realize that the only reason Hillary is SoS is that Obama nominated her to that - so, maybe you should consider that when you question his judgment and whether he was up to being President, doing things like nominating secretaries of state. As to Gore, I assume two terms as VP trump one as SoS.

I will give it a rest when you do - which means - never.

Here, I resent the MISUSE of polling by people, many of whom may actually know better, as recurrent threads designed to say that Americans would chose differently if they could redo the primaries. If a legitimate poll were done and the results show that, I would concede that it was true. This does NOT do that - any more than the intentionally bizarre idea that the Albright/Clinton numbers suggest that people would have preferred her as President.

The fact is the people happiest to use this against Obama are Republicans.

[Beacool]

44. Nope, they would vote for Obama no matter what.

Same for the very young. As for the SOS spot, Hillary didn't want it and it took a lot of convincing for her to take it. I don't think that the poll was intentioned to disparage Obama or anyone else in the administration. I just find it highly amusing how defensive are some of the responses every time someone posts something positive about Hillary. I know better, I don't bother anymore. I go to other sites for that. This place is not a Clinton friendly site.

Ciao, got to go.

:)

[karynnj]

45. Not the poll - they've been done for decades - the Hillary beats Obama stories

derived from it are designed to be negative to Obama. ( Consider were there Powell vs Bush stories. He, like Clinton, had his own popularity and had been pushed to run for President. However, there were not the same type of stories.)

[aaaaaa5a]

51. 2008 Exit Polls show that

older white women and poor rural whites were also 'VOTING FOR HILLARY" no MATTER WHAT in the primaries.

It works both ways.

All popular politicians have political bases that form the foundation for their support. Without it, they wouldn't be where they are.

Your comments imply that only Obama has a ridiculously loyal base. That is not true. So does Hillary. (I think your actions prove that.) There is nothing Obama can do to satisfy you. Because of your very personal subjective measures, you will always support Hillary. This is called her base. In essence…. you will vote for Hillary NO MATTER WHAT!

The same is true for the GOP. NO MATTER WHAT the GOP does they will do well in the South and among poor rural people, especially white males. Republican policies have destroyed these communities, but it doesn't matter. The base is the base. They will vote GOP NO MATTER WHAT.

[Beacool]

69. Of course all politicians have their base.

I just find it ironic that the two demographics that raise Obama's approval ratings in every poll are the ones who still have the highest unemployment rates in the country. As for Hillary, it's not blind support for a celebrity. I've seen her work up close when she became senator and then during the campaign. She's one of the smartest, most prepared and compassionate people I've ever met. She's an extremely hard worker (I don't think that she's yet taken an entire week's vacation since becoming SOS) and absorbs information like a sponge. She also has a great sense of humor. I will always think that she would have made a very good president.

:-)

[aaaaaa5a]

77. African Americans almost always have the highest unemployment rates in the country.

especially black males. My bet would be if Hillary were president, the unemployment rate in the black community would still be high, just as it was under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon etc. etc. etc…….




BTW… I think Hillary will make a good President too. And I don't think it's to late.

[Beacool]

81. AA had the lowest unemployment rate in many years during the Clinton years.

:-)

[aaaaaa5a]

83. I'll have to google that!

My recollection is that the AA unemployment rate was higher than it was for other ethnic groups (Whites, Asians, etc.) during the Clinton Presidency.


Are you sure that's right?

[aaaaaa5a]

52. What other sites do you frequent?

I am interested in expanding my political message board acumen! I have posted on here in the past looking for a good GOP or politically neutral site in which to post. I love DU, but I do appreciate diverse views, and I love to "tangle" with others. There are issues I would love to discuss that can't be done here because of the "flame out" issue and the nonsense of some posters being so easily offended at everything. I find the Freeper site to be terrible. Not because of the views (which are bad enough) but it is just not constructed well.

If you have any suggestions I would love to hear them.


You are a great poster here. Even if many here disagree with you. I actual respect you. There are many times where I have debated topics 5 on 1 against others on a message board. Its not easy. I like your style.


Thank you!

[aaaaaa5a]

50. Excellent post.

I agree with almost everything you said.

[Keith Bee]

34. Nope

Not happening. Sorry.

[golfguru]

38. Can Hillary create 22 million jobs like Bill did?

If she promises to do that she's got my vote.
Republicons can't count on birther issues with her for sure.

[Sky Masterson]

40. I think she is doing a superb job!

:applause:

[JoePhilly]

42. She's probably very excited about it.

[fujiyama]

47. The Secretary of State

while being high profile as far as cabinet positions go, isn't known particularly well by a majority of the American people. Ask most people what the Secretary of State does and they wouldn't be too sure. Some may be close and say something about diplomacy, but I think that's the extent of most people's knowledge of the position.

The SoS has a huge advantage in not having to deal with domestic affairs - and all the liabilities that go with it. I may be mistaken, but I'm guessing that during Bush's first term, Colin Powell probably had the highest approval rating of all of Bush's cabinet members.

I'm not saying Hillary's not doing a good job. On the contrary, I think she's been particularly well suited for the role and has done a great job. But if the roles were reversed, I wouldn't have been surprised if Obama's rating were beating her's.

I don't see any point in replaying the primaries either. It was hard fought and he won it fairly. If for some reason Obama were to not accept the nomination, she'd be my first choice. But for now, he's the Dem. president, and the likely nominee for the 2012 election and is a million times better than any of the idiots the republicans have to offer.

[wisteria]

48. Whatever-she has great PR. n/t

[bigwillq]

61. I really wish Hillary had won.

bigwillq, the primaries are over. Jeez.
:rofl:

[girl_interrupted]

63. Please! No more good news about Hillary!

No, all of the publicity has to go to idiots like Palin and Bachmann. If it's a woman Democrat and its anything positive, we must take the opportunity to bash her at every chance. It may diminish Obama! Why people think that on this board is beyond me, but they do. Instead of realizing it sheds a good light on the party itself, it's treated like a threat. Unbelievably stupid, and sad.

[AtomicKitten]

65. Well it is a break from all the O-bashing.

There are plenty of respected up and coming female Democrats; I like Amy Klobuchar very much. And it's not like HClinton didn't sow some rotten seeds not too long ago. I'd say it's your broad brush indictment that's unbelievably stupid.

[CakeGrrl]

66. Believe it or not,

it's possible to NOT have hearts exploding from one's eyes over Hillary on the merits of her own words and actions.

Shocker!

[Beacool]

67. The responses you received tell you all you need to know.

This is not a Clinton friendly board, neither now nor in the past.

;(

[CakeGrrl]

71. Can't have it both ways.

You can't expect to come and criticize and insult the President yet demand only nice-nice for others. Start up your own appreciation website for Hillary and allow only those who have nice things to say to post there.

[Beacool]

72. Neither can you.

This was an innocuous post about a fellow Democrat, but many felt the need to come and crap all over it. When there are rah, rah, similar posts about Obama I usually stay away. People who like him have a right to cheer him on. I guess it's too much to ask for the same in return. That's why many have left this board, Clinton supporters are persona non grata around here; except on election time when our votes are needed.

:eyes:

[aaaaaa5a]

76. Why do you dislike Obama so much? NT

[Starbucks Anarchist]

78. Thank you.

She constantly bashes Obama not for his policies but because he had the nerve to beat Hillary, then she gets upset when we don't think Hillary is the second coming.

[politicasista]

79. +1 n/t

[Vidar]

68. Too bad she won't run against him.

[1stlady]

73. Yeah, to bad she doesn't want to split the party

and allow a teabagger in the WH. Sigh, I'm glad Hilary has high ratings as SOS, but I think the author of the article has an agenda. The author is trying to confuse the readers into thinking her high approvals as SOS translate buyers remorse for Obama, which is simply not the case. I've noticed when your not an elected official and basically out of the spotlight, your approvals tend to go up. Hell, even GWB approval has gone up, so what does that tell you?lol