Why do you think President Obama will NOT be re-elected?

[Scuba]

Please indicate why you think the President will not be re-elected. Welcome all thoughts.

[LoZoccolo]

1. I voted other: cutting Social Security yearly paper statements. n/t

[Tx4obama]

6. Here's a DU link for you ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x798505

[Tx4obama]

2. Who the hell said he wouldn't be re-elected?

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[rury]

21. And you forgot to mention...

...OBAMA 2012...ad infinitum!!

[doc03]

3. I don't think he will get re-elected but then again I never

thought he would get elected the first time. How the hell do I know the election is a long way off.

[mkultra]

31. sounds like good news for Obama

[Fire1]

61. So I guess your track record speaks for itself. n/t

[kenny blankenship]

4. You forgot "it's the economy, stupid."

Probably a dozen posters will have mentioned this by the time my post goes up.

[Scuba]

7. Much better than you forgot "it's the economy", stupid. Thanks.

[alp227]

5. i say that voter suppression could be a contribution

look at those bills being proposed in Ohio and New Hampshire that seek to require voter ID...essentially a legal sneak-around to knock poor and minority people (guess which party?) off the rolls. looking at these choices yes they could all play in but voter suppression was the first thing i could think about. And are any of us DUers supposed to think republicans could be brilliant???

[CakeGrrl]

8. Dems sit on their asses while Repubs turn out no matter WHO their candidate is. n/t

[earthside]

9. I disagree.

When the liberal/progressive base feels abused and neglected ... yup, morale is low and Democrats have a tough time turning out the core vote.

But that is what happened to the Repuglicans in 2006 when Democrats scored big victories in the U.S. House and Senate.

As of today, however, the Obama people have seemed to do almost everything they can to demoralize their core, base liberal/progressive supporters.

I, for one am not sanguine about Obama's re-election chances -- and if the economy suffers another downturn (as Robert Reich predicts), then I think that the electorate may become even more irrational than it already is and even elect one of the Repuglican nut-jobs in 2012.

[CakeGrrl]

15. It's numbers, plain and simple.

Morale is low? Fine. Better one of the 'Repuglican nut-jobs?'

I say no, but to hear some on DU, they can't be scared into voting Dem. That sounds like some potential ass-sitting to me.

I guess we'll find out once the issue of primary challenges is over and done, dreaming is over and reality takes hold.

[Exilednight]

42. If you have to scare someone into voting Dem, then it's time for the party

to take a good look in the mirror and ask themselves why they have to scare people to vote against Republicans instead of doing something productive and encouraging people to vote for something.

If I wanted Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid cut; then I would be a Republican. But I don't, and can't support anyone who enables someone who does, no matter what party they claim to be affiliated with.

[Union Scribe]

43. So you don't think he'll be re-elected?

[AtomicKitten]

10. LOL. Nice passive-aggressive poll you've got there.

[JVS]

11. The economy.

[craigmatic]

12. I think his biggest challenge will be overcoming people's sense of disappointment in his lack of a

real progressive agenda. It's unstated but there are alot of disillusioned people out there.

[tomg]

13. If he is not re-elected, my wife and

I are out of here, not because he is all that great, but because the Republicans are so stark raving mad. Frankly, I honestly can't imagine him not getting re-elected. I never considered this when Bush ran the zoo, but - and I can't even imagine I'm saying this - compared to the current crop of Republicans, Bush looks not only sane but competent. I can't imagine an America crazy enough to elect, say a Newt, a Bachmann, a Huckster. Hey, I've been wrong before. In fact, I've been consistently wrong since I was convinced McGovern was going to kick Nixon's ass and Mondale would blow Ronnie out of the water.

[undeterred]

14. OTHER: A populist candidate emerges and Obama loses the primary

The populist candidate wins and we have President Feingold- VP Sanders in the White House.

[CakeGrrl]

16. Feingold and Sanders have said no to a primary challenge. You have other info?

If a populist is going to emerge, they'd better hop-to...and bring a boatload of electability and grassroots strategy with them.

[undeterred]

18. Sorry things aren't going according to your schedule.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

46. that's funny.

[undeterred]

53. You can say that I'm a dreamer

but I'm not the only one...

:hi:

[SteveG]

17. He will be re-elected

There are no Republicans in the field currently that would be able to defeat him in a debate on the issues. Newt? really?, Palin? Bachmann? Pawlenty? please get real. The only Repugs that could defeat Obama cannot get the nomination, they are sane and the base of the Republican party, AKA teagaggers are not. (no, teagaggers is not a mistake).

[Keith Bee]

19. I'm sick of this shit!

Unless video emerges of Obama beating a nun, he'll be reelected.

[Ikonoklast]

22. That would make me want to vote for him even more.

The nuns I knew needed a good beat-down.

[Dark]

20. The only way he could lose is a major, major catastrophe and his poor response to it,

I'm talking japan plus deepwater horizon level, or another Econ meltdown. the relive just don't have any solid candidates

[paulk]

23. it depends on who the republicans run

and the state of the economy.

A double dip recession is a possibility, what with all the layoffs of public sector employees with states cutting their budgets coming and the as yet unfelt effects of the Japanese tsunami on our economy.

If the repukes have the brains to run a moderate like Romney (or at least someone pretending to be a moderate) and don't saddle him with a nutcase VP like they did McCain, then they have a chance...

imo

[Telly Savalas]

37. I agree with this analysis

However I wouldn't discount the possibility of a wingnut winning the GOP nomination, steering the national dialogue to even higher levels of bullshit, and using this to secure victory. I don't think it's likely, but it could happen.

[zalinda]

24. Obama has done a lot to push the left away

So now he has to appeal to the Independents, or what some people call them, the uninformed. If things are still bad on the employment front, expect Obama to lose. Clinton only got a second term because the Internet bubble had yet to burst. That, and well he was more likable.

When things are going bad, they "throw the bums out". That's the mind set of the voters, who decide the elections. And, this doesn't mean that if the news says things are hunky dory, they'll vote for Obama. Things have to get better, here in the trenches. People have to notice that people are getting jobs. For Sale signs have to stop showing up on neighbors lawns. It could have been done, if we had had a leader. But, we got someone who decided he had to pay back his wall street 'friends' first, and maybe, if there was anything left, let it trickle down to the masses.

And, before any body says Obama couldn't wave his magic wand..........Obama stated that it is NOT the role of government to create jobs. The buck stops with him.

zalinda

[polichick]

33. Well said.

[Beacool]

25. Oh relax, Billion Dollar Man will get reelected.

How can anyone compete against someone who apparently intends to raise $1B to get himself reelected?

:eyes:

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

47. do you intend to hold onto your grudge for the next 6 years??

[Beacool]

48. Hmmm, I wouldn't call it a grudge.

:-)

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

52. maybe vendetta is a better word.

[dionysus]

57. now Bea, behave! I have a special one for you today!

a new banky
:evilgrin:
:hi:

[DevonRex]

58. That's a perfect bea banky!!!

Ooh wouldn't it be a great bea snuggy??

[Beacool]

63. I only got one thing to say to you:

:spank:



:D

[Beacool]

59. Nooooo, first banky I would have to reject!!!!

Bummer, I could have used one too since I'm home sick with a cold (the weather has been crazy around here).

Thanks anyway........

:(



:pals:

[dionysus]

60. surely you will accept this one!

there is a banky for everyones tastes!

:hug:
it'll help with the cold.

[Beacool]

62. Much better!!!!!!!

:woohoo:

Thank you!!!!

:hug:

[jefferson_dem]

26. OTHER: People finally learn he's a Kenyan, Marxist, Black Nationalist, Corporatist, Puppy Torturer.

[Solomon]

44. Ahhhh! You hit the nail on the head.

I have been saying this for a while now. We keep poo-pooing the birther movement but the reality is, the media is keeping this nonsense alive.

If they decide to let the media go full bore telling everyone that he's not eligible, it won't matter what the truth is. Mind control to that degree will win every time.

Every now and then when it looks like the issue will die, some idiot, lately Donald Trump, revives it again. Every time they revive it, more and more people start thinking something must be there. That's why the latest polls show that more republicans believe he is not eligible than do.

They are willingly keeping this issue alive for some purpose. And it ain't good.

[Hawkowl]

27. He attacks his own party more than he does the Rethuglicans

He is constantly at odds with traditional Democratic constituencies, i.e; unions, teachers, progressives, anti-war activists, while slobbering all over the imaginary "moderate" Rethuglicans.

No way he gets re-elected. However, we could actually be better off if we can re-claim the House with some serious progressives now that the bluedogs are virtually extinct.

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. Other: >$6 per gallon of gasoline +hyper-inflation. n/t

[quiller4]

29. I believe Obama will be re-elected by a margin greater than

his 2008 victory.

[Safetykitten]

30. Ineptitude on our part, underestimating republicans and thinking that

the people now on the deck for running by them will not be altered by an addition to be named later.

The other factor, a horrific economy.

[JoePhilly]

32. Whinny liberals voting for Nader?

[Tesha]

34. Yeah, that's the key.

That and "Democrats" who insult Democrats
with every opportunity and then expect these
Democrats to vote for "Democrats".

Tesha

[Lyric]

35. Never thought I'd see "whinny liberals" (sic) used as a slur here

except by the occasional Freeper troll. And yet there it is, even down to the bad misspelling.

Sad.

[Solomon]

45. But that's what it's come down to. It's a fact that there are

whiny liberals. An absolute fact. I don't see it as a slur. It's a reality.

[FrenchieCat]

36. It will be due to the number of people who will work hard to demoralize

the rest of us, based on some twilight zone episode that they think
this world is based on, where one President should be able to come in and clean up
30 years worth of shit in two years flat(actually 1 year for most, six months for others) all by his lonesome,
while every one from every side is throwing rocks and boulders at him,
with most promising not to lift a finger to assist him in any way,
cause they are so busy with the rock throwing.

Of course, there ain't no reason to believe that the rock throwing will slow down,
until way too late. Then they'll point at everyone else and throw more rocks,
as thought that solves or reverses what they worked so hard to achieve;
a win by a truly nightmare opposition.

This kind of self destructive mentality is the only thing that can defeat us.....
and lord knows, that is exactly what has happened to date, so I don't doubt that
it will continue, as it started on day-one, and has never stopped,
no matter what has been accomplished.....and I don't expect it to.

So yes, it is very possible that we defeat ourselves, and for those totally out-to-lunch
to proclaim it as a victory. That's cause they enjoy the fight of feeling right
more than any political gain....
and that's why they do it....relentlessly, and without pause.

[AtomicKitten]

39. Sadly you are correct.

I realized it with clarity a couple days ago when I read a post here saying "Obama fought repeal of DADT tooth and nail."

That declarative statement is utterly fact-free. Starting with the 2010 SOTU address in which Pres Obama calls for the repeal of DADT by the end of the year: "This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are. It's the right thing to do". Like clockwork, by year's end it was a http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/293/call-for-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy/">promise kept.

When such mis/disinformation otherwise known as FLAT-OUT LIES! are given oxygen here of all places, it is clear we are dealing with teabaggers on both the left and the right. To what end? I shake my head in dismay.

[FrenchieCat]

40. They don't care to what end.....

and that is the problem...
they only claim to care.

[whatchamacallit]

50. Who are "they"? (nt)

[sudopod]

56. The bad guys!

the enemy!
*Waves arms*
You know!

[sudopod]

55. It's a little early to be assigning blame, isn't it? :3 nt

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[creon]

41. he will be re elected

Instead of complainng about Obama:

organize.

recruit good competent and honest progressives to run for the HoR and Senate in 2012.

get them nominated and elected.


The WH will take care of Obama's reelection. That is not the issue.

The issue: getting a progressive majority in the HoR and Senate.

[EndElectoral]

49. Capitulation is the main reason. Single Payer, Tax Cuts for Rich, Guantanomo...

If he agrees to cuts in Social Security it is his swan song. If he fails to withdraw from Iraq he has broken one of his prime promises. If the Afghan war continues to drag on, and the Libyan one escalates it is his doom. If unemployment remains high and wages stagnant per inflation it is his doom. If we have continual environmental disasters it is his doom.

But mostly, mostly...if he continues to lose the Progressives in his party it is his doom. He's lost me. I will not vote for him, and I cannot despite all the "lesser than two evils" argument. I've swallowed my pride and have voted Democratic for the last 40 years, but this President has been the biggest dissapointment of them all. Perhaps, it is because I really bought into his rhetoric, and truly did hope for change. Instead, we've got a guy holding on for dear life, and capitulating if the Republicans whine about anything. The tax cut capitulation was the last straw for me. His effective withdrawal from the Labor dispute in Wisconsin left a bad taste in my mouth. His appointments form Geitner to Immelt and Arne have made me wonder whose side he is on.

I want badly to vote for a Democrat in 2012, and I will. It may just have to be a write in to assuage my conscience, and if a Republican gets elected, I'll have to live with that. For those who say you are essentially giving the teabaggers what they want,I say, at some point I just have to draw a line in the sand, something Obama has been reluctant to do.

[Very_Boring_Name]

51. Other: People will always vote for the real republican over the fake one

[spin]

54. He will be re-elected if the economy is well on the way to recovery ...

and the recovery has started. Rising oil and gasoline prices could possibly derail this recovery and cause him to be a one term President.