Should our President be Held Accountable to the Voters Who Elected Him?

[KoKo]

YOU WATCH...and YOU TELL me? :shrug:

OBAMA in His OWN WORDS..\


Into the link about 0:1210/1.53.36......."YES WE CAN" ...We BELIEVED IN HIM! His STORY OF HIS LIFE was SO TRUE it HIT US IN THE GUT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzULm4d8h8w

OBAMA in HIS OWN WORDS...from VIDEO OF HIS SPEECHES: Yes...He LIED..........SAD...:cry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzULm4d8h8w

[Buzz Clik]

1. This is the first time anybody at DU posted something like this.

I, for one, am shocked.

Thank you!

[monmouth]

2. How tedious....n/t

[TreasonousBastard]

3. Almost 70 million people voted for him, so...

just which of those would he be accountable to?

[KoKo]

6. What is the Population of America? Why Can't we Dems get folks to vote for us

:shrug: That's what I don't get.. Why isn't our Message Strong?

[Solomon]

51. I've heard every group imaginable claim they were the ones

who voted him in.

[FrenchieCat]

4. His 70 million voters, while dealing with some real shit, and judging him 2.4 years in ?

Fucking great! (throwing hands up in the fucking air!)

It appears that 87% of HIS voters currently approve...
so something there close to....

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for that Anti-Republican OP you promised.......
Just looking for balance as we enter election season, and the point
is supposed to be beating the other side, rather than beating on each other. :shrug:

[treestar]

5. The President is accountable to everyone

There's no point in holding your one vote for "sale." It just doesn't work. That office will be filled. Republicans will vote and it will be filled with a Republican. Who you didn't vote for, so is that R President not accountable to you?

Why do people insist on this fallacy?

[frazzled]

7. You are totally correct

I think everyone should recall what those 8 years of the Bush administration were like for those of us who didn't vote for him. "Who cares what you think," he said. He made no pretense to being the president of every American, as evidenced in the crass and callous reaction to the people (black, Democratic) who suffered in Katrina and were held hostage in a stadium.

I wished every day that he had remembered that he was supposed to be the president of ALL Americans, not just those who voted for him.

It may look rough to us, but I think Obama is trying to be that president. It was evident from his first "there are no red states and blue states" speech at the 2004 convention, and in the hard compromises he has had to make. But underneath it all, he has still tried to push as much as he is able for the basic things that will move the country forward. It may not look like that day to day, and he's made some disappointing compromises, but I do believe he is trying to accommodate all citizens in this nation.

[KoKo]

8. Who was talking about "voter Hostage" in this post?

Not anyone I saw reply. :shrug:

[KoKo]

13. But...are you saying that Majority Rule is how Repugs Vote and Not Dems?

If we can't get Dems to vote for our Platform and Programs...then doesn't it really mean that Republicans are more popular with American People?

What does that REALLY MEAN, though? If Repugs are the Popular Party...and Dems are just not significant?

[Logical]

9. The next election is his judgement day. I predict he will win.

[KoKo]

16. What do you think the ISSUES will BE that Obama Runs on to Win?

Could you name just THREE?

[Logical]

17. Bachman, Palin, Newt and a 4th is Romney. They are idiots!

[KoKo]

34. Is that enough to get most folks out to vote, though. Last time..it was different..

:shrug:

[KoKo]

10. BTW...those of you who don't have "AdBlock" are viewing a Babe telling you how to prepare Bruschetta

It' goes on forever. And, is actually a good recipe..but why is that AD from AD Blogs..on top of my post with the poster's name "KoKo" covered over by this very attractive woman who spends minutes of MY TIME doing her commercial for a Company?

What has it come to these days ...and I'm a Donor to DU...!

[JoePhilly]

28. I don't have "AdBlock", and I see no woman, preparing Bruschetta.

[KoKo]

35. I know...it's crazy..I donate to DU..and get Video of "Woman cooking Bruschetta

Weird..isn't it. My "Ad Block" finally got rid of her. She was attractive, cute...and I love Italian Cooking...but it was posted on MY POST HERE. Google GONE WILD!

[paparush]

43. The ads rotate. You may be seeing an add for some university or some other product.

[bhikkhu]

11. Elected by a majority to represent the whole...

so to some extent the president is bound personally to listen to and represent everyone, not just those that elected him.

That's just one of the problems. Another is that the job itself is secondary to congress as far as "change" is concerned; change needs legislation, and that depends on congress and the composition of congress.

A third is that much change involves expenditure. A large-scale agenda of change is first made quite difficult by the dreaded 30% of the population that never stopped believing in lil' shrub, and suspects that Obama is a Kenyan-born antichrist. Then it is made difficult by the influx of republicans into congress, led by the same shrub-fans now morphed into teabaggers. Then it is also made difficult by the legacy of the bush years - a massive deficit which tends to call for austerity more than anything else.

I didn't care much for the video; it seems like the same crap I've been seeing since the eighties, trying to wake people up to how bad things "really" are, but then offering nothing. What you wind up with is one video after another, one book after another, one rant after another, leading nowhere but waking you up every time. You get this feeling of urgency, of being all fired up, of everything suddenly making sense, but nothing to do about it. The feeling itself is the goal, and you just stoke the fires over and over.

Call me not impressed. Its clever exaggeration, things out of context deliberately, it ignores much of the practicalities of human nature and the structure of the society and government, and it asks people to do nothing differently.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

12. and the grudge drags on and on...

[KoKo]

14. Actually, if Most American Vote Republican...then there's nothing else we need to know...is there?

Because the Democratic Party isn't seen as STRONG. What I'm asking is: WHY IS THAT?

Why do YOU THINK?

[JoePhilly]

15. So don't vote for him. How hard is that?

[KoKo]

18. YOU...tell ME...why I as a Lifelong Dem...should NOT vote for Obama?

It's up to You to Tell Me.. Isn't it?

I'm one of those "Oldie Dems" getting ready for SS to Kick In.. So...Tell Me!


BTW: We might seem "OLD" to you ...BUT we are STILL WORKING BUTTS OFF as the Bush ...ENTREPRENUERS...who reinvented ourselves..

SO TELL ME, BUDDY! WHY?

[JoePhilly]

23. Given your creative use of capitol letters ....

I have to assume that YOU are very VERY unhappy with him.

If you are so angry with him, and you want him held accountable in some way, other than not voting for him, exactly how do you PLAN to hold him accountable??

You going to send him a nasty letter, and THEN vote for him?

btw ... in all honestly, I don't actually CARE who YOU vote for.

[KoKo]

26. I posted a Video...I wanted you to watch it.....but, that it's difficult to watch,

given these times we live in..is understandable. But, if you can spend the time to WATCh the VIDEO and it's Not HACKED UP (as I've warned) then you and I should have a good discussion about it.

PM..Me...I'm listed here. Then we can talk.

[JoePhilly]

33. It's not only a compilation, its also one sided.

I watched the first 10 or so minutes and its very clear that its an agenda driven effort. The conclusions are put forward as facts first.

I've seen similar videos from the right wing. The main difference is that theirs select right wing commentators interspersed with selected clips which they use to claim that Obama is a socialist with communist tendencies.

Personally, I knew when I voted for Obama that he was not some liberal socialist, but instead a moderate, pragmatic Democrat. I also knew that the GOP would attempt to block anything he tried to do. I also knew that the same blue dog democrats who were in the Senate under Bush, were still there. Basically, I knew it was an up hill climb.

What I've found interesting is that apparently, Obama got about 1 year to change the world, if that. My guess is that some actually believed the GOP propaganda calling him the "Messiah". I never bought that.

He's a President, with a brick wall of GOP obstruction in front of him, and weak and whinny Democrats behind him.

As a few have mentioned, being President means he's President of all of us, not just some. One of the things I hated about Bush was that he did not understand that. Obama clearly does.

And so with that, I return to my earlier question. You want Obama "held accountable". Exactly in what manner do you want to hold him accountable?

[KoKo]

36. Tell me WHY you couldn't watch the whole thing and THEN tell me what you think about it?

Why did you JUDGE after 10 minutes and then decide it was "one-sided." Do you realize you are replying to a life long Dem ..whose first vote was for Jack Kennedy?

Although...I can understand that was SO LONG AGO...I might not be considered a TRUE DEM these Days.

Is that what you are telling me and others like me who are LIFELONG DEMS? :shrug: I don't think you would be so crass as to do that. I think you just have "closed your mind." That's NOT a good thing.

[JoePhilly]

42. I had to put my daughters to bed, and an hour and 50 minute

propaganda piece just didn't seem like an enjoyable way to spend the night.

btw ... I'm a life long Dem too, so you can stop flogging that meme. And I don't care if you crawled over broken glass to vote for FDR.

As I have said repeatedly, you claim you want Obama "held accountable" but you can't take 2 minutes to tell me how and in what way, you would like to do that.

I suggested the most obvious choice, you didn't like it, but you don't seem to want to take a few minutes and tell me your approach for holding him accountable ...

... but you want me to watch an hour and 50 minute propaganda film.

No thanks.

[KoKo]

47. Try watching it this weekend. It's very interesting. I don't always agree with it...but it

"stretches our thoughts." So...when you have a little time to yourself...which is hard with young kids...just try to take a look.

Then...at least...you tried.

:shrug:

Regards,
KoKo

[Drunken Irishman]

41. A NASTY letter WITH random WORDS capitalized for EMPHASIS.

THAT will TEACH him, RIGHT?

[vroomvroom]

20. You might regret telling people to do that come 2012 nt

[JoePhilly]

25. Not really ...

Other than here on DU, I don't come across many Democrats who plan to not vote for Obama, or who spend lots of energy trying to tear him down.

I find lots of right wingers who hate him, and when they rant, I say basically the same thing, "So don't vote for him."

[CakeGrrl]

19. Yes, every single one should get what they want WHEN they want it...or else.

:eyes:

It's gonna be a long time to 2012.

[KoKo]

21. Who is it that you think are "asking to get what" who voted for Obama...that's what I ask?

:shrug:

[vroomvroom]

22. GOP and the Super Rich got what they wanted 100% .. nt

[vroomvroom]

24. Obama is a Poltician and so He works for the Super-Rich NOT You! That is Life.

Democrats work for the people who give them money and that is corporates/rich...just like Republicans.
Yes, Obama lied and his interests are not to give a hoot for the little guy..he is very much for the people who put him there.

[KoKo]

29. So.........Who would you vote for as President of the United States of America, then?

That's the point. But, you didn't watch the video.....so it's hard to know.

Not Vote, Republican Vote, Democratic Vote...or just "don't show up" because OOP's it rained that day...and you just weren't engaged? :shrug: It's so tiresome...these politics.

AND...Frankly after about 40 years of this...I CAN'T BLAME YOU!

[jefferson_dem]

27. Based on the description that accompanies the second video, this thread should be locked...(at least

"This film explores the historical role of the Democratic Party as the "graveyard of social movements"...

What a crock of shit, that should not be permitted here.

[KoKo]

30. Jefferson...Can you not have an "Open Mind?" Where is the THREAT that you see?

Come on...did it BUG YOU that much that you want this thread LOCKED? :shrug: Is that DEMOCRATIC?

[jefferson_dem]

32. Links to anti-Democratic Party drivel, such as spewed in the video, should not be permitted ...

at the "Democratic Underground", in my opinion. Since when did it become "Democratic" to smear the party? :crazy:

[Name removed]

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[Mid_FL_voter]

31. Hold him accountable

Hold him accountable by just voting for a Republican and see what that gets you.

[ncteechur]

38. He is held accountable. Don't vote for him if you don't like him. I like him and I'm voting for

him. It is that simple. Pretty basic civics.

[KoKo]

39. No one here, and not this OP is telling ANYONE how to vote.....That's not what it's about.

It's about being CLEAR about Your Vote when you walk into that booth and looking at all the choices and voting your conscience. But, in these times INFORMATION is the KEY...and the more information we have the better we can make choices. We should NEVER GIVE UP looking for info on those we vote for ...because if we do we become "mindless" like the Repugs. We are better than that. We are the THINKERS.... The Repugs follow whoever tells them to to vote which way. Whether it's Corporate Powers like the Koch Brothers or their Church or their Voter Registration Card. They are LOCK STEP!

Inquiring Minds like to have a choice.

[JoePhilly]

46. I made that suggestion up the thread some ... the OP doesn't seem to like that option, baesd

on his responses to me, but he also doesn't seem to want to suggest an alternative approach to "holding Obama accountable".

[cliffordu]

40. You have my deepest sympathy.

[center rising]

44. Obama is president of the United States

Not just the president to progressives.

[butterfly77]

45. Should the house and senate...

who write up and negotiate all of the bills?

[Keith Bee]

48. Reply #50

:rofl:

[Keith Bee]

49. BUT IT SAID 49!!!

:cry:

[Keith Bee]

50. .....

AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

[MadMaddie]

52. Yawn

While Rome Burns Democratic Supporters run wailing in the streets while the Republicans attack us from all sides.

No victory is good enough and never will be.

The Republicans are out to destroy him and the Democratic party and some choose to help them along the way.

Well I am not one of them.

He also said in one of his speeches, "YOU WILL NOT ALWAYS LIKE SOME OF THE DECISIONS I MAKE AND I WANT YOU TO HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE"!

He didn't say, "When times get hard run wildly into the night cowering before the Republicans"!

I am telling you that the way that he has been disrepected by the Republicans and many on our side, I am not surprised.

If many want to give up then give up and shut yourself off from the world. If you don't want to fight the Republicans then keep getting your teeth kicked in.

Wisconsin is proving that we do not have to take this shit from the TeaPugs..... I am curious Democratic supporters are constantly whining that President Obama has no backbone....yet the same people complain that they are going to quit.....and why this and why that? A lesser man would have quit....but maybe that's what many want....a quitter.....

Whatever.....

In light of what is going on in WA and the shit that he has to deal with why are people trying to continue to attack him?

I don't give a crap if people like what I wrote or not....

[jenmito]

53. He IS. And the vast majority of us still support him. MANY (types of) people voted for him. Not

just DUers.

[cliffordu]

54. blah de bla de blah....We got it, on to the next.

[KoKo]

55. It's still a good watch...did you give it a try. I'd like to hear a "Push Back"

because this "oldie Dem" who has been looking for answers finds this "refreshing view."

I think it's a long film and probably some parts folks might want to "fast forward" ...but Chris Hedges rant at the end is WELL worth the watch..

I thought it was fascinating. I wonder what people who viewed it, think of it? :shrug:

The other thing I liked is that it's a good "history lesson" and I love to read "contrarian" history that others see with what they have experienced in their "Movement Forward" for Progress Third Party ...which this DU'er Old Timer thinks ..the time has come to move towards.. Just what i think, and hope folks will watch this and if you hate it tell me why? :shrug: