We wanted Obama to draw a line, HE DREW A FUCKING LINE: Planned Parenthood. . .

[wndycty]

. . .held that line, we rallied around Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood was saved. And we are back to bitching about being sold out. . .

Oy vey.

[bluestateguy]

1. Yep

I was very critical of Robert Gibbs last year when he made those remarks about the Professional Left.

Sometimes I am forced to admit that he may have had a point.

[iconocrastic]

34. I don't like tax dollars going to fund the largest abortion provider in the country - sorry.

[RichGirl]

38. Did you know...

...that statistically Planned Parenthood has PREVENTED more abortions than any other group, including and especially religion. PP uses common sense. Women want abortions because of unwanted pregnancy. If you prevent unwanted pregnancy, you prevent abortion and that's what PP focuses on....through education and healthcare. They provide many services: pap smear, cancer screening, birth control, etc. Also, percentage wise, there were less abortions during Clinton's term than Bushes because democrats take the same stance as PP. Republicans, their idealogy, Christian right and their abstinance programs caused more abortions.

BTW...I'll ask you what I ask all pro-lifers...where are you when those unwanted babies are born. Where are you when they are neglected, abused and sometimes left to die. How many foster children do you have. Do you support and vote for those politicians who make sure there are many government services to take care of children? It's easy to preach when life is just a fetus. But I don't see a lot of action from any of the self righteous when those children help.

Don't take this personally...pro-lifers annoy the hell out of me. There are few things that are more reprehensible than a person who preaches about "LIFE" and then doesn't want to pay taxes to take care of that life.

[arikara]

42. I won't call them pro-lifers

because they are NOT that.

[Lorien]

64. I prefer "Misogynists".

[BlancheSplanchnik]

43. WORD!

Buddhism teaches the DIGNITY of life---and seeks to reduce suffering: Life--old, young, middle-- that is already here, takes precedence over ideological "life".

In my book, anyone who values the romanticized fantasy of "Babies", and the imagined "suffering" of a mass of cells with no heart, brain or nervous system over the actual reality of the life of a woman has no right calling themselves moral or ethical.

[lunatica]

40. Then you must hate women like the GOP does

Planned Parenthood is far more than what you think it is. Women who can't afford to go to doctors can get health screening there, like mammograms, cancer screening, etc.

This has been a concerted attack on womens' rights.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

44. suggestion: re-read Rich Girl's reply.

Read it again anytime you think an undifferentiated mass of cells is more important than women's lives.

[JTFrog]

45. yep, you're sorry alright.

[Sheepshank]

54. can you show how tax dollars directly funds abortion through Planned parenthood? n/a

There's already a fed mandate disallowing such a thing.

what are you really trying to say?

[Timbuk3]

58. Check into the Hyde amendment

...and stop believing right wing lies.

[catgirl]

60. Move to Saudi Arabia then.

Bye bye.

[Lorien]

63. I don't like a majority of my tax dollars being used for war

or subsidies for Big Oil and Monsanto.

[MH1]

68. Did you fall for the big lie?

Planned Parenthood saves lives and prevents abortions. It does allow women to get abortions who need them, but that's like 3% of what they do. And they don't use tax dollars for it.

I don't like my tax dollars funding religious indoctrination either. But that is what will be happening in DC now thanks to YOUR friends in DC. (school vouchers)

I don't like my tax dollars funding religious proselytizing either. But by the same argument ("money is fungible") that wingnuts use against Planned Parenthood, that is what is happening any time ANY social service provided by a religious organization is funded by the federal government.

I don't like my tax dollars funding the coverup and protection of pedophilia either. But by the same argument ("money is fungible") that wingnuts use against Planned Parenthood, that is what is happening any time ANY social service provided by the Catholic Church is funded by the federal government.


AND YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY TICKS ME OFF? The things I don't want my tax dollars paying for, are ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. But ABORTION IS LEGAL.

So WHERE THE HELL do you get off withholding federal funding from LEGAL activity while supporting ILLEGAL activity, including PEDOPHILIA??? (or are you ready to give up the "money is fungible argument?? huh??)

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[MH1]

2. I just hope this was good practice at drawing lines

and that they decide to try it again some time.

(don't flame me, I'm generally supportive of Obama ... I think there's a lot more to blame than him for how things are going.)

[treestar]

3. There are people who will bitch about being sold out no matter what

they can always find something that they wanted that they did not get.

And simultaneously ignore that the Republicans don't get all they want. The opposite equivalent is tea partiers who must feel sold out by the Rs for giving in on Planned Parenthood.

I'm sick of this spoiled brat "caving" meme. Gimme all I want or you're caving! You're cowardly! and by the way, i always want more! You could've gotten me more! I want it all now!

[KoKo]

17. Dem Leadership was on Cables all Day saying "We compromised 78%"...

Is "78%" a Compromise? :wtf: Women's health care held hostage to get Dems to compromise for a 78% hit? And, we don't know what the Repugs compromised on for cuts to children's funding, education and maybe even Head Start and school lunch programs. 78% of what Repugs wanted seems a "give away" and NOT compromise.

[BklnDem75]

18. Really?

Which Dem Leadership?

[Sheepshank]

55. Haggling or negotiating...78% mean nothing

All it means is that they came down from asking for the world. It's in the nature of negotiations. First party to set the bar is the one who comes down the most. Dems set that bar first. No big deal, the percentage means nothing.

[_ed_]

4. You're praising him for not defunding Planned Parenthood?

Talk about low expectations. I would have thought that Planned Parenthood would be sacrosanct to Dems, kind of like tax cuts are to Repubs.

[earthside]

8. And how many jobs are going to be lost ...

... in the federal government because of "the largest annual cuts in history"??? How much aid in programs to help people is going to be gone now?

But, Pres. Obama finally drew a line on funding Planned Parenthood ... low expectations, indeed!

[bhikkhu]

13. Like it or not, the repugs had a mandate for cuts

In the '10 elections they sold budget cuts, ran on budget cuts, and swept up pretty well. There's no scenario after that where we don't get budget cuts.

Of course, the budget cuts end the recovery and immediately costs hundreds of thousands of jobs. Lets just hope people are smart enough to see that, and remember when the next election cycle comes around.

[ejpoeta]

53. unfortunately people aren't going to see that the cuts are the cause of a protracted recession.

they will blame obama and the dems. the media will make sure they do.

[Lorien]

62. like it or not, Obama had a bigger mandate for CHANGE

and had he followed up on his promises Democrats would have driven to the polls in 2010. We STILL outnumber the baggers. Vastly.

[phleshdef]

23. A lot less than the jobs that were lost had the government shut down with no funding at all.

[RichGirl]

39. You are definitely a glass is half empty person!!

What you said is EXACTLY why I praise Obama...because Planned Parenthood is sacrosanct.

It's like this, if democrats were threatening to take away the second ammendment and the republican leadership prevented it, republicans would be kissing their asses while praising Jesus!!! You praise those who protect the things that are most important to you.

Feel free to go back to your pessimism, negativity and general doom and gloom.....

[young but wise]

5. K&R

It's truly annoying.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. He saved funding for ACA as well

which is apparently costing Boehner Michele Bachmann's vote on the budget. The cuts suck no doubt about it but a shutdown would've been much worse for the economy. If Obama is said to have been *damaged* by this, Boehner's probably not going to come out of all of this a while lot better with the teabaggers. He certainly had the more difficult job IMHO. To me, the surest sign to me that a deal is good (or at least decent) is that people on both sides are upset with it (like with the tax cuts deal in December). The cuts that we don't (shouldn't) like should motivate us to work our butts off next year to get more Democrats in Congress and keep Obama in the WH IMHO. For now, I think that we need to at least credit President Obama and the Dems for standing up to the "riders" being pushed by the teabaggers.

[bread_and_roses]

7. oh phhhttttttttttt - whole thing a dog and pony show

do our Oligarch Overlords really care about funding PP? No. Do the Rs? No. This is like Lily Ledbetter - a scrap to appease. It does nothing to slow or impede the march to crush the working class in this country and transfer even more wealth to the upper 1%.

And I speak as a lifelong supporter and one time Board member of PP.

[jaxx]

9. Does that mean it would have been ok to defund PP?

[bread_and_roses]

10. oh, sure - that's what I said

if that's how you read the post I'm afraid my powers of explanation fail me.

[jaxx]

12. What I got from the post is that PP didn't matter.

If it was meant differently, it didn't show.

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[polmaven]

24. That's what I read too...

"a scrap to appease"....To me a "scrap" is something very insignificant, so therefore actually expendable. Personally, i think Lily Ledbetter and Planned Parenthood are very important issues. More important than extending tax cuts to the wealthy in order to allow the unemployed to keep receiving benefits for a longer period of time.

[TheKentuckian]

78. The structurally insane and broadly destructive is never less important than any specific program.

The program in question was just moved from steerage to higher below deck levels, doomed to still go down on a sinking ship.

In this matter, it is the traitorous fucksacks in the last Congress that set in motion a sure fire debacle, especially in light of the tax cut cave in fiasco that set the terms as failing to even pass a budget set the stage.

I'm not overall pleased with Obama's handling of this but it was a no win scenario by built in conditions to the situation. It was the Kobayashi Maru test. Least bad is all that can come of this mess, we had to take on more risk to get that and forget that from the crew we have now, granting the best of intentions.

No question this blows more than expected but there was going to be some knocks.

[femrap]

73. I get what you're saying....

Abortion and Planned Parenthood is simply USED by TPTB/politicians to ignite emotions. Very similar to the way Organized Religions are used. They don't really care. It's just a button to push so to manipulate and control actions of people.

Women will always have abortions....may they ALWAYS be LEGAL and SAFE.

On the local level, women (and men) will fight to keep their Planned Parenthood facilities open.

Am I understanding you?

[great white snark]

11. Are you ever happy?

I mean of your own free will, not when the overlords want you to be.

[ejbr]

49. +1 n/t

[Boxerfan]

14. Your kidding right???He held NOTHING...The Democratic Women

Held the line....

And the powers that be saw the handwriting on the wall...Killing social services for womens health was over the line & would have serious repurcussions from women voters..


I'm a guy BTW-But I am a (Barabara)Boxerfan..

Obama lost me on the tax cuts for the wealthy & the bumper sticker was scraped off. He has done nothing to salvage his reputation with me.

I loathe Republicans & would never vote for them. But we had a golden opportunity & he wasted it. He's a corporate stooge in my view.

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[catgirl]

59. Obama held the line

He was in direct negotiations- duh! He drew the line for Planned Parenthood. Btw, I'm a woman (LOL for your qualification that you're a man...).
I thank Obama for standing up for women. He obviously has great respect for women- look at how he treats the women in his life. HE drew the
line in the sand.

[femrap]

72. You get it!!!

The prez KNOWS that women are the ones who keep Dems in office....that's all he cares about. I don't think he cares about women....if he did he wouldn't have thrown HIS SISTERS of Washington, DC under the bus. In DC, local funds can be used for poor women seeking abortion....NOT NOW!!!! That was part of his compromise....Compromise on the backs of poor woman stuck w/ an unwanted pregnancy. Fook!

DC has the highest poverty rate in the nation...1/3 live in poverty. It's a disgrace and now the prez forces his sisters into COMPULSORY MOTHERHOOD.

Despicable.

I lived in Mill Valley, CA (her district) when Boxer first hit the National Scene. I still love her. She stood up for Ohio in the 2004 Election and would not certify the Stolen Election....the only Senator to do so.

Corporate Stooge....I called him a Minion of TPTB. We agree. Corporate Stooge has a nice ring to it.

I sure miss CA!

[grahamhgreen]

19. 81% of Americans want to tax the rich, THAT'S the line.

The line was increasing revenue or cutting war vs cutting social programs.

[BklnDem75]

28. 81% of Americans need to elect a Congress that will tax the rich

Decrees don't work in the US.

[treestar]

41. Don't know if that is a true poll

But if it were true, why did they vote in a Republican Congress?

Why so many republicans winning state houses and governorships?

There would only be 19% Republicans if that were true!

[Recursion]

51. Because most voters don't vote based solely on that one issue (nt)

[ejbr]

50. +1 n/t

[cliffordu]

20. GLASS HALF FULL GLASS HALF FULL!!!!!!

[Modern_Matthew]

21. The line should've been so far away that it never even came into question. nt

[KoKo]

48. Absolutely...Holding Up Legislation putting it on the Women's Right to Control of their Bodies..

is an issue that both Dems and Repugs should be ashamed for this sham of legislation making it about Female Rights and not the HEALTH and WELFARE of the Country for EVERYONE!

That Our Dems participated in this disgusting trashing of female Rights...to use us Females as Ploys or sticks to poke the eye of Repugs is beyond shameless.

Pox on both their Houses!

[catgirl]

61. Dems "trashed female rights"?

Are you still living in looney land? Unbelievable ignorance is the biggest problem our country faces.

[femrap]

74. [phone]

[Enrique]

22. your capital letters convinced me

that, and as the naughty word.

[JohnnyLib2]

25. The irony in the topic heading......

never mind, my immaturity shows.

[Balbus]

26. That's like going to your boss and saying...

"I demand that you pay me the same hourly wage you paid me yesterday!" And then patting yourself on the back and doing a victory dance when he said "fine."

[SkyDaddy7]

27. Funny how that works, huh?

[high density]

29. wow, there's our huge bone

I'm so grateful. :eyes:

[Paladin]

30. We Shouldn't Feel So Grateful For That Line Being Drawn.

That's the sort of action we ought to EXPECT from a Democratic president, the sort of principled action we ought to be able to take for granted, not even have to worry about it happening. The fact that I sweated bullets late last night until the Planned Parenthood issue was appropriately dealt with, says something really bad about this administration. And who can tell what will happen next time?

[jillan]

31. Not 100% true. Title X funding for DC was put on the chopping block. And PP funding was just

delayed.


As part of the deal, the Senate in the coming weeks will be forced to take votes on defunding Planned Parenthood and the health care reform law. The spending resolution does block the District of Columbia from funding abortions for low-income women.



http://www.neontommy.com/news/2011/04/obama-painful-cuts-part-budget-deal
Oy - read the news.

[Logical]

32. You are correct! n-t

[RBInMaine]

33. AND the LINE also included the 499 other riders that were KILLED. AND they got much less in cuts

that they wanted. And we got new investments in important areas. So let's get real and quit the bitching.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

35. and we got funding for Healthcare Reform and EPA Climate Regs taboot!

the Repukes are the ones who failed to get the things they want.

and Boehner will pay for it in the long run.

[craigmatic]

36. I give more credit to the Dem women caucus in the Senate for that.

[Maven]

37. Oh what a prize to have him.

GMAFB. Pathetic.

[femrap]

46. The poor women of Washington, DC

were thrown under the bus.....no local $ can go to abortions....and the poverty rate in DC is HUGE....like a 1/3rd of the population.

TAX THE F*CKING RICH.

[Recursion]

52. DC is always a football for Congress

Though the poverty situation has changed dramatically in the past decade; it's now at something like 15% (some from people getting jobs; lots from the poor being "exported" to neighboring jurisdictions).

[jillan]

56. Thank you for posting this. I'm been posting about this all day, people think just because PP was

saved from the chopping block - for now - that everything is hunky dory. Hardly!

[femrap]

75. That women in 2011 are

STILL forced to stand up for Planned Parenthood and the right to LIVE OUR LIVES AS WE SEE FIT...well, it just blows my poor old brain away.

I'm sick of it...and sick of the Dem males who use it against us.

The prez throwing his POVERTY-STRICKEN SISTERS LIVING IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD under the bus sickens me.

I never trusted him....and now I have no respect for him....no one in DC for that matter...except for your avatar.

[KoKo]

47. The One that is in POWER! LOL's....

[ProudDad]

57. You've obviously never heard of a loss-leader...

The repubs put this crap into the House bill knowing that the Democrats would pretend that they made them "take it out" so you wouldn't notice that it covers their asses for giving the pukes $8 billion more in cuts (mainly affecting the poor) than they asked for...

See the pukes know how to demand much and settle for more than they should reasonably expect to gain...

The Dems ask for less than we need then give even that up...

[Raine]

65. That is exactly what they do ... "pretend"

it's all theater for our benefit but they aren't fooling me any longer.

[zigzag69]

77. BIngo

[cali]

66. Obama folded. The Senate dems saved PP.

He's a weak, weak president. likable, but weak.

[slay]

67. Wow. Color me unimpressed

with his line and your post. You're god damn right we expect more! I'm sick of all the so called "compromise" the Dems do while giving TAX CUTS TO BILLIONAIRES. Unreal.

[fasttense]

69. We got nothing in the negotiations.

While being in control of both the Senate and White House, we got to keep some of what we already had and got to cut some of what we already had.

We already had all those things that Obama agreed to cut. So, exactly what did we gain?

[Jakes Progress]

70. Well, the kabuki "cover our ass" ploy worked on at least one person.

[DerekG]

76. I wish HE DREW A LINE in regards to the wars

Multiple wars, bailouts for the rich, a pathetic health care battle, and you're lauding him for not defunding Planned Parenthood? Are you bloody serious?

I swear, some of you deserve this guy.