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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:22 PM
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uh, oh, "up next, debt ceiling"
the debt ceiling is another case where GOP intransigence could really screw us over, unless we give them what they want. What will that be, I wonder?

http://twitter.com/rbreich

The right held the U.S. govt hostage, and O paid most of the ransom -- inviting more hostage-taking.
Next is raising debt ceiling. 5 minutes ago via web .

The Prez and Ds caved in, endangering the recovery and strengthening the right-wing bullies. A tactical win for Prez and strategic loss.
about 3 hours ago via web
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:26 PM
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1. I thought they just did the debt ceiling
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:28 PM
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2. oh no, that happens in May
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:30 PM
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3. it's different
and from what Ive read, the consequences of failing to raise the debt ceiling are much worse than failure to pass a budget.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:34 PM
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4. So the Tea Party people already think Boehner caved, and will be pushing suhing
hard on this. Meanwhile, the fat cats who are running things from behind the curtain will be having kittens because they know what chaos will follow unless the debt ceiling is raised.

Almost makes you pity Boehner.




Almost.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:39 PM
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5. "inviting more hostage-taking"
Wonder if Reich remembers 1996?

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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:51 PM
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6. I think the somali
pirates would do it for less than the GOP.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 01:12 PM
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7. The problem is GOP doesn't care about collateral damage
They don't care who or what they harm. They just want what they want.
The Dems do care and it hobbles them.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 01:29 PM
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8. Raising the debt celing would be a "Total failure of leadership"
according to candidate Obama. I wonder what ever happened to that guy?
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 04:44 PM
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12. Because everything's totally the same since that time....
Nothing major happened with the economy between 2006 and 2011. That's what you're saying, right?
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:30 AM
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13. Hardly, Candidate Obama had not only
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 02:36 AM by Riftaxe
my support, but my labor in getting out the vote.

I am not really a fan of moving targets when it comes to honesty.

on the 2012 vote "none of the above" versus another lying power hungry bastard who will do anything to save his own worthless hide is looking mighty good atm. But until then I am holding my breath and praying he remembers his promises (or at least, that what he promised has been well recorded, and his 2008 supporters are still waiting).
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:02 AM
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14. Candidate Obama didn't make that quote you highlighted
His campaign started in February 2007 and that quote was in 2006. So let me get this straight, even if he did make that statement as a candidate, do you expect him to treat things like a meltdown never happened, and the opposition didn't do everything they could to prevent a recovery? Do you prefer Bush's 'stay the course' stance?
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:37 PM
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15. Make up your mind, he either said the quote
or he didn't. Facts are on my side, spin is all you have atm. Why spend whatever integrity you possess on a well recorded quote.

You do realize he said it in front of video cameras...or are you going to try to spin that as well?
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 03:23 PM
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9. Frankly I think the main hope is that the ultra rich would be hurt by this failure
If the dollar crashes and interest rates go sky high, it might,perhaps, hurt enough of them that they will pull hard on the leashes of their dogs in congress to prevent it. I am sure some are betting to make money on a failure to raise, but I doubt all are.

If things get bad enough even their tax cuts won't be safe. So I think they will posture, work it up to the last minute to see what they can get, then take the deal on the table then.
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 03:30 PM
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10. the Repukes can't do anything other than up the ceiling.
The consequences of not doing so would be worse than a Government Shutdown.
And we see how scared they were of that.

They'll be forced to raise the ceiling and get nothing but grief for it from their base.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 03:56 PM
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11. If they vote against raising the debt ceiling (it's like charging to a credit card and refusing to
pay it because the money, i.e., the debt is already committed), the US will default on bonds and the world markets will go crazy. The rich will get hurt in the market. A lot.
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