The Republicans and their Teabaggers only want one thing

[FrenchieCat]

The defeat of Pres. Obama in 2012.

They don't care how it is done, or who does it......
as that is their only goal, and nothing more.

In gearing up for this objective, they have a fragile economy,
the Citizen United SCOTUS decision,
and a right wing leaning media to help get them there.

So my question is what is your ultimate 2012 goal for this country,
and what are the advantages that you have in realistically getting us there?

[Bluerthanblue]

1. I believe you are correct- and I sure as hell hope that the Democrats

who are playing into this plan, knowingly or not, realize what is at stake.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Apparently some folks haven't tought about what their 2012 goal is......

or they just don't have one....
although that would seem odd for folks who claim to care.....

But that said, I'm sure folks will be along any moment now to let us know
what they want to happen on November of 2012.

[Dulcinea]

42. The bottom line: Obama must not succeed.

If the First Black President is successful, popular, etc., that means the Old White Guys are out of power forever. And that simply must not happen, as far as they're concerned.

[EmmettKelly]

3. Well of course they do

Would you expect any less of the Democrats/Progressives if a Repub was in the White House? I certainly wouldn't think so.

[FrenchieCat]

4. When one is willing to have this country fail

in order to achieve a goal,
that is not normal....

[madmom]

7. Yes, I would hope the Dems/Progressives would do what is good for the

country not the party. I think it's very telling of anyone who would think otherwise.

[jenmito]

5. Unfortunately,

there are more than a few DEMS. at DU whose main goal seems to be to primary Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

6. You are too kind!

Some are willing to work against his re-election, period.....
forget any primaries.

[jenmito]

9. Yeah...

you are 100% right.

[zigzag69]

8. There is a purpose for the teabaggers.

Think about how the Teabaggers are corporate funded. Then think about how they make the Republicans and far right look bad, and conversely how they make the President look like the only choice.

Think about that...

[livetohike]

10. Welcome to DU!

:hi: Good points....it's what my husband has been saying all along.

[zigzag69]

11. Thanks!

Been lurking for a long time. Just decided it's time to get my 2 cents.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Unfortunately,

you are the same poster that stated that Obama as the incumbent doesn't need to have grassroots or have his campaign make phone calls......and then you went on to rationalize why only the other guy would need this.....

I'm smelling a subtle theme coming from you...
and it ain't one that I support.

But welcome! :hi:

[zigzag69]

14. Thanks!

[FrenchieCat]

15. Thank my BS detector......

which has always served me well.

:hi:

[JTFrog]

26. And Obvious Troll also tells us that social security and medicare are too big a drain....

[FrenchieCat]

12. Ok....so I have thought about it.

The Teabaggers were used to turn public opinion against Health Care reform,
as well as financial reform to the point that we barely got anything passed in spite of them.....
in addition, Teabaggers got Teabaggers elected to congress and some purple states as governor,
in order to assault collective bargaining rights, health care and push more tax cuts for the rich.

The fact that Pres. Obama looks like the only choice, is because he actually is....

....not because of some conspiracy between Corporations and Pres. Obama as you are implying,
but because the far right did what they always do; overreach on an agenda that is wholesale
against most Americans (like 98%). It's what they have always done, so this is nothing new.

The fact that Pres. Obama, by his lonesome couldn't make things as dreamy as we hoped has more
to do with the fact that his side instead of fighting against the crazies, decided to fight
with the crazies against this President (kill the bill).

Your conspiracy might also be applied to Bill Clinton...being in on forcing the Republicans to impeach him in order to make the Republicans look crazy. That's how much sense I read coming
from your post.

[JoePhilly]

16. +1

[JoePhilly]

17. While the Democratic Yippy dogs jump around, all barking at the

same bone, the GOP doberman sits off to the side drooling ... just waiting for us to exhaust each other and give up.

At which point, the GOP doberman will walk over, and take the bone.

And laugh in our faces.

They did it on 2000. Again in 2010. And it is their plan for 2012.

[Lorien]

18. No, they don't. It ain't all about Obama. They want corporate rule

(fascism) and a return of total white straight Christian male dominance; 1950's Society without taxing the wealthy.

[FrenchieCat]

19. All they have to do is Defeat Pres. Obama......

and in doing so, they get all of what you listed.

Indeed, you are making my point.

[Exilednight]

22. Actually, you're making Lorien's point. Timothy Geithner, Jeffery Immelt and many of the same

background are making Obama's policy decisions when it comes to the economy.

[FrenchieCat]

28. Cause we elected Barack Obama to get rid of our capitalistic system?

No....I don't think so....although perhaps that's what you thought.

[Exilednight]

29. Where did I say that? No one said anything about get rid of the capitalist system. We elected

Obama on the platform of leveling the playing field instead of the continuous tilting towards the favoritism of corporate entities.

[FrenchieCat]

31. We elected Pres. Obama, and then he said my election is a start.....but I will need your help.....

and then you replied...the only help I'm willing to give you is a kick in your ass
when I don't like what you are doing. And that's what you have given.....

[Exilednight]

32. You're accusing me of kicking the president in the ass when he first took office? You're

accusing me of not supporting the president when he first took on HCR?

If you're going to make accusations, then back them up. Find a post of mine from his first six months in office that shows I didn't support Obama.

Because I'm telling you right now, they don't exist. His first six months I fully supported him. I supported him up until the point he decided to sell out the public option.

Your lack of proof will just prove that you're good at making false accusations and good at character assassination, but will also prove that you're unable to debate on the facts.

[FrenchieCat]

34. I stand corrected. You gave him six months.....

[Avant Guardian]

20. Ever considered selling Obama on his positives?

...rather than lashing out?

[Exilednight]

21. "He's not as bad as the alternative" is the only positive many of them can come up with. n/t

[vaberella]

24. FALSE and this has been disproven quite often. You're statement is stupid. n/t

[Exilednight]

25. And calling my statement stupid just proves that you

have nothing of substance to come back with. Right now people are measuring success by how much something was not cut, or by how little it was. Mostly because nothing of major importance was gained.

[FrenchieCat]

30. People with good common sense are measuring success by contrasting

what has happened in the past 2.4 years to what would have happened under the alternative
in the same amount of time, based on all of the knowns via good memories and an understanding as
to what Republicans are proposing to do.

While you continue to advocate problems as you see them, without really acknowledging that in the
2 party system that we currently have (and will have in 2012), continuing only to cast a critical eye just doesn't make for solutions to the problems that you constantly point to.

[Exilednight]

33. Again, accusing me of not having common sense just proves that you have nothing of substance to

counter my argument with.

Either you can debate the issues, or you can continue attacking people you disagree with.

[vaberella]

36. You know why your crap is FALSE. It's b/c countless has his positives been posted on GDP.

You just either have selective memory or intentionally disregard it.

Thread after thread---and you dismiss it, mock it, laugh at it, and ignore it---then claim he has no positives.

Because I'm tired of your stating we're not arguing on substance. There is not much more substance than the links provided:

1. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x266988

2. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=485790


But you will once again do your old song and dance and then claim we aren't arguing on substance---when it's obvious that you argue on right wing talking points from what I can see than anything else. Anyone who tends to advocate for government shut down is definitely dancing for the wrong crowd---even if you can vehemently disagree with the Dem President and Dems generally.

[Exilednight]

41. Yes, because big change does not include bullshit like

85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House

87. Attempting to reform the nation's healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured

Which he failed at. Mandates, anyone?

89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform

He announced it, but he's announced a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean he's going to make MAJOR changes.

90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform.......
AKA: Race to the bottom.

81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
Not exactly a great policy. Why send more troops into a failing war?

80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
Changed to more failing/status quo military command.

79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
Why?

78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
Wow, the upper-middle-class is regulated to $100k per year. Oh the humanity!

Yeah, I ridicule a lot of stuff, but that;s because it deserves ridicule.

If you consider any of these major accomplishments, then you're too young to remember when real change happened.

[MNBrewer]

40. Of course, people who disagree with your assessment

lack common sense. De facto.

[vaberella]

35. I have nothing of substance.

This coming from the person who states "I have insider info" and running it as though it's true.

[Exilednight]

37. You don't have to believe it. Like I said, bookmark the thread and call me on it

if it comes out that I was wrong.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

23. They've said exactly this, point blank.

I don't know why anyone here disputes it.

They have crazy memes (make the lie big and repeat it often---who said that, hmmm? I wonder...), and constellations of outlets to catapult the propaganda.

and then people wonder how the hell the midterms turned out the way they did.

No cable here, but I see how local news merely reports headlines. National news gets the briefest of mentions, with no intelligent analysis, no proper reportage of who did what, so the superficial and dishonest memes gain more traction.


It's amazing he can get anything done at all.

[and-justice-for-all]

27. Dems need to learn to run those POS into the ground....

with no mercy.

[MNBrewer]

38. That might be what they want most, but it's far from being the only thing they want

[Peacetrain]

39. Exactly..that is their agenda in a nutshell.. K&R

Not jobs.. not a balanced budget or whatever talking point they are working on, on any given day.. it is 100% about defeating Pres. Obama.. the alpha and the omega of their existence