Birther Theories - I wish people would understand THEIR own citizenship is being questioned

[CreekDog]

I wish Obama or Obama's aides would make that case because it's what's happening.

Obama has released an official copy of his birth record. This is the record that is sufficient to prove citizenship, period.

It can get you a passport and get you all the related benefits of citizenship. It is enough.

In some cases, it's the only legal record of birth some people have, or have access to. For example, what of Adoptees?

So when someone decides that to prove Obama is a citizen and that it's more than he's provided --many of us, perhaps a majority of us, have no more than Obama has released. AND THAT IS FINE AND SUFFICIENT.

Those who would cast doubt (even here at DU, some do) that the birth certificate he released is enough, are casting doubt ON ANY AMERICAN whose official, legal birth certificate looks similar. Despite the fact that it's perfectly legal and sufficient.

I just wish people would not see the issue in terms of a challenge ONLY TO Obama's legitimacy as an American Citizen, but as a challenge to their own status as an American Citizen.

[TxVietVet]

1. A hospital birth certificate is not an authorized identification paper.

I found out when I moved from the Midwest back to my home state of Texas after 22 years. Texas wouldn't accept the hospital birth certificate issued in Texas at the time of my birth. One has to contact the state to get a copy of their birth certificate. I was told by the DPS driver's license office that since all the identity thefts started years ago, it was a requirement from several years back. I ask if it had anything to do with 9/11 and she said NO.

So, when some goofy-assed teabaggin' kkklucker gets to whining about Obama's birth certificate, here's the answer to the argument.

I put a couple of true beleiver wingnuts in their place when they piped up to me about Obama's birth certificate. Of course, the conservanazis won't believe it unless it's on Fox Not-the-News. A person standing by, whom knew the conservanazis, verified my statement because she had to register her new husband in Texas for various benefits because he was disabled.

So, here's to the teabaggin' kkkluckers that are whining about Obama's birth certificate: GFY

[pnwmom]

2. Yes. In other words, the hospital version is a souvenir.

Nice to put in a frame, maybe, but doesn't have the legal value of a state issued certificate.

[BanzaiBonnie]

3. And all the birth documents that I have ...

from Washington & Oregon, for my family members, say Certificate of Live Birth. They are the vehicle for obtaining everything from a Social Security # to a driver's license, to a passport.

[CreekDog]

5. mine also says certificate of live birth

And I don't have the original. I only have the copies I got from county of San Francisco a few years back.

[Solomon]

9. I should hope it does certify a live birth. Otherwise you'd either be

a zombie or a ghost.

[CreekDog]

11. Many birthers documents saying "Birth Certificate" are valid but not "Certificate of Live Birth"

:hi:

[librechik]

4. it's all tied in to how they want to repeal birthright citizenship

to chill immigration

[toddwv]

6. Excellent point.

"Oh, well, he's a citizen, he's just not a REAL citizen" is tool that has been used throughout history by authoritarians.

[LiberalFighter]

7. They have to have the state seal on it too. Embossed I believe.

Vital records will provide two different versions. Certified and not.

[Travelman]

12. That's not exactly accurate in most states

"Vital records will provide two different versions. Certified and not."

I don't know of any state that will give someone a document like a record of birth that is not certified. Toooooo much risk for funny business there to forge that sort of stuff.

What many states will provide is either a COLB (what Obama has produced, and what most people get when they need a birth record to put the kids in school or get a drivers' license or a passport or whatever. Some states will also (usually at additional cost, and usually with longer processing time) provide a Xerox of the actual form that the hospital turns into the state, which is usually hand-written and often has a lot of other information that the health department will use for statistics: birth weight, length, etc. The state of Hawaii does not give these "long form" birth certificates out to ANYONE. That last part is what the birthers just absolutely, positively refuse to accept. They just revel in their denial and plug their ears and sing "LALALALALALALALALALALALALA" when presented with this simple fact.

There are also "non-certified" birth certificates that a lot of people have. They're really more of a novelty item given to parents by the hospital. They have all sorts of different things on them: footie prints, hand prints, yada yada yada. Many people confuse this with an official birth record, because they often look sort of like a long form and sometimes the hospital will put a "seal" on it. These are, however, in no way official. I can't count how many times I've had people show up at an airport (back when one could fly to Mexico, Canada, and the Caribbean on just a birth certificate) with one of these novelty deals and then they got turned away for lack of documentation.

[ismnotwasm]

8. The hospital I was born in burned down

Many years ago. 'Mary's help' in San Fransisco I believe it was called. I'd have a hell of a time finding original records and I lost my birth certificate a long time ago. I'm sure it's in some data base at one school or another, but I haven't looked for it. The original is long, long gone.

Birthers are out of their rabbit-assed minds.

[Travelman]

13. The originals are not kept at the hospital.

Your original is kept with the county and/or the state. You should easily be able to get a copy from the health department in Sacramento. BUT, what you're most likely to get will be a COLB, exactly like what Obama has produced (except, of course, yours would be from California instead of Hawaii).

[zbdent]

10. Republican rassler Ric Flair can't provide his ...

he was one of those illegally bought "adopted" babies ... He even documented it in his book ... Does that mean he isn't a "naturally-born U.S. citizen"?

probably plenty of Repugs like that out there, who were "given up" for adoption, and sold on the black market ...

[jimlup]

14. This whole thing is absolutely absurd....

I have to wonder if Trump is playing us. What an overly obsessed idiot with a head full of shit.

This is so stupid and worthless as to make anyone who advocates it instantly dismiss-able.

[treestar]

15. Exactly right

The idiots will say, well he's the President, so he should have to come up with more proof. Which isn't really the case.

[Lewiskw]

16. What I really find funny

is it doesn't even matter where Obama was born, Kenya or Hawaii (which we all know he was born there), his mother is a citizen therefor anywhere he was born he would be a natural citizen of the U.S. birther argument killed.

[SharonAnn]

17. Exactly, that's what I don't get. Don't they know the law?