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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:30 PM
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" President Obama made a promise in his speech today."
The President's speech today began a new conversation in Washington about how to reduce the deficit while protecting crucial investments in our country's future.

But as we seek to build an organization based outside of Washington, President Obama's speech also provides an unusually stark contrast -- one all of us can use to start conversations with our friends and neighbors about what's at stake in this election.

He spoke about things you don't generally hear in Washington conversations too often dominated by special interests: He'll cut waste and excess at the Pentagon -- particularly spending that is requested not by our military, but by politicians and corporate interests.

He'll eliminate tax cuts for Americans in the highest tax brackets who don't need them, including himself -- and he will reform the individual tax code so that it's fair and simple and so that the amount of taxes you pay isn't determined by what kind of accountant you can afford.

Some cuts he proposed are tough. But they're also smart and surgical -- helping us balance our books while still doing the right things to win the future. President Obama's plan would protect the middle class, invest in our kids' education, and make sure we don't protect the wealthiest Americans from the costs of reform at the expense of the most vulnerable.


The other side has presented a very clear alternative: End Medicare as we know it, privatizing the program that millions of seniors rely on for health care. Make deep cuts to education. Slash investments in clean energy and infrastructure. All to pay for tax cuts for people making over $250,000 a year, and all while actually raising our national debt.

In short, their plan will please a special interest donor base and those who put ideology before results rather than reduce deficits over the long term. And let's be clear: They think they can get away with it because, fundamentally, they don't think you'll do anything about it.

That's where I know we can prove them wrong. Because we can respond right now by building an organization that will stop them -- not just in this deficit battle, but in the next election so they never have the chance to enact these proposals.

Here's the first step. Join our fight for a deficit reduction plan that will actually reduce the deficit -- with a goal of shared prosperity through shared responsibility. Add your name to support President Obama's plan -- and then help bring more people into the conversation:

http://my.barackobama.com/Deficit-Plan

President Obama made a promise in his speech today. He said that we won't have to sacrifice programs like Medicaid and Social Security -- programs that millions of Americans rely on -- as long as he's President. He's committed to seeking serious solutions to the problems we face while still upholding the larger responsibilities we have to one another. So it's our job to build the organization that's going to keep him in the White House.

Please add your name in this crucial moment -- and then reach out to your friends and neighbors.


http://www.barackobama.com/deficit-reduction-signon?source=20110413_JM_act&firstname=Ruth&lastname=Lamirande&email=life_interrupted27%40yahoo.com&zip=31408

More soon,

Messina

Jim Messina
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

P.S. -- If you missed President Obama's speech earlier today, some excerpts are below:

1. "Our approach lowers the government's health care bills by reducing the cost of health care itself.

"Already, the reforms we passed in the health care law will reduce our deficit by $1 trillion. My approach would build on these reforms. We will reduce wasteful subsidies and erroneous payments. We will cut spending on prescription drugs by using Medicare's purchasing power to drive greater efficiency and speed generic brands of medicine onto the market. We will work with governors of both parties to demand more efficiency and accountability from Medicaid. We will change the way we pay for health care -- not by procedure or the number of days spent in a hospital, but with new incentives for doctors and hospitals to prevent injuries and improve results. And we will slow the growth of Medicare costs by strengthening an independent commission of doctors, nurses, medical experts and consumers who will look at all the evidence and recommend the best ways to reduce unnecessary spending while protecting access to the services seniors need."

2. "But let me be absolutely clear: I will preserve these health care programs as a promise we make to each other in this society. I will not allow Medicare to become a voucher program that leaves seniors at the mercy of the insurance industry, with a shrinking benefit to pay for rising costs. I will not tell families with children who have disabilities that they have to fend for themselves. We will reform these programs, but we will not abandon the fundamental commitment this country has kept for generations."

3. "In December, I agreed to extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans because it was the only way I could prevent a tax hike on middle-class Americans. But we cannot afford $1 trillion worth of tax cuts for every millionaire and billionaire in our society. And I refuse to renew them again."

4. "This is my approach to reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the next twelve years. It's an approach that achieves about $2 trillion in spending cuts across the budget. It will lower our interest payments on the debt by $1 trillion. It calls for tax reform to cut about $1 trillion in spending from the tax code. And it achieves these goals while protecting the middle class, our commitment to seniors, and our investments in the future.

"So this is our vision for America -- a vision where we live within our means while still investing in our future; where everyone makes sacrifices but no one bears all the burden; where we provide a basic measure of security for our citizens and rising opportunity for our children."

5. "But no matter what we argue or where we stand, we've always held certain beliefs as Americans. We believe that in order to preserve our own freedoms and pursue our own happiness, we can't just think about ourselves. We have to think about the country that made those liberties possible. We have to think about our fellow citizens with whom we share a community. And we have to think about what's required to preserve the American Dream for future generations.

"This sense of responsibility -- to each other and to our country -- this isn't a partisan feeling. It isn't a Democratic or Republican idea. It's patriotism."


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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:35 PM
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1. Why should we believe him this time?
Edited on Wed Apr-13-11 08:36 PM by MannyGoldstein
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:41 PM
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3. Manny, you are invested in not believing him, so you shouldn't. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:43 PM
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5. Do you believe that
Obama's kept his promises in the past? Or do you believe that it was OK to break them?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:47 PM
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8. I believe you harvest every negative thing written about him and
elaborate on it because you just don't like him.

No, he's not been able to keep some promises; what politician ever has? But you seem to take it personally.
Me, I'll broadcast this speech from the rooftops and give him kudos for making it; he can't ignore positive reinforcement for something we've all been hoping he'd do.

But you keep that anger alive.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 09:21 PM
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11. A lot of that anger is kept alive and fueled
with burning elm embers.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 09:34 PM
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12. Here's the thing, on one hand he has not held to his wonderful speeches...
Edited on Wed Apr-13-11 09:36 PM by slipslidingaway
about politicians who cave to special interests once they are elected (his speech in Newport News late 2008 about HC plans) ... and that is dismissed as not being able to keep all promises, fair enough, to a small degree.

On the other hand when people complain about the escalation in Afghanistan they are told he promised to do so during the campaign, which he did and I posted about it, but it never received much attention on DU.

People cannot dismiss promises on one hand and then give him a free range on another promise ... see the difference.

Which is it, hold him accountable on all promises or not, and who gets to decide what are the important issues.

HC was not only an important issue for all citizens, but it also effects the longer term debt. Dems said they were in favor of a UHC system, but when it came down to the bottom line they were not, as they excluded those in favor of a universal from the discussions.

:shrug:





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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:36 PM
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2. And here are more details from the White House

FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/04/13/fact-sheet-presidents-framework-shared-prosperity-and-shared-fiscal-resp


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:42 PM
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4. Thank you again!!
:thumbsup:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:45 PM
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6. It was a great speech, so were some of the same promises when he made...
them in 2008.

:shrug:

Watch what is done, not what is said!

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:47 PM
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7. the campaigner vs the governor - which one are we going to get for real. who knows nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 09:10 PM
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10. That is the problem, are we to believe what is said during a campaign over ...
what is done when in office.

We're in campaign mode now, just as we were in 2008 when the same talk of rolling back the bush tax cuts and allowing Medicare to negotiate drug was first mentioned.

:(



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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 09:05 PM
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9. Very good overall, but a few flies in the ointment
They want to give people like me a two hundred thousand dollar tax cut that’s paid for by asking thirty three seniors to each pay six thousand dollars more in health costs? That’s not right, and it’s not going to happen as long as I’m President.

Love it!!

But let me be absolutely clear: I will preserve these health care programs as a promise we make to each other in this society. I will not allow Medicare to become a voucher program that leaves seniors at the mercy of the insurance industry, with a shrinking benefit to pay for rising costs.

Love it!! However, creepy thoughts start to appear. Nothing to say about Ryan's proposal to raise eligibility age to 67? How about his proposal for not allowing "first dollar" coveerage for Medigap policies?

So here’s the truth. Around two-thirds of our budget is spent on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and national security.

:hurts::spank:::banghead: Buuuullllllllssshhhiiiiiiiiittttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Social Security is not NOT NOT part of the general budget! If it is, could you kindly explain why that and Medicare withholding are listed separately on my W-2? Anyone?

But we must do it without putting at risk current retirees, the most vulnerable, or people with disabilities; without slashing benefits for future generations; and without subjecting Americans’ guaranteed retirement income to the whims of the stock market.

Starting to get scary. No "cuts" for current retirees, and no "slashing" for future beneficiaries. Meaning that you will seek the middle ground between Repuke "slashing" and the ZERO cuts that all people deserve to get because they've been paying in all their lives? To a fucking SPARATE FUND? Why not even a single reference to raising the FICA cap, which would totally eliminate the need for any "cuts" at all, not to mention "slashings"? And no, since not even Bush with both houses of Congress was able to get privatization, you don't get any points for opposing it.

In the last few months, both parties have come together to pass historic tax relief and spending cuts.

Oh for fuck's sake! Could you PLEASE STOP demonizing paying for public goods? If tax cuts are so fucking helpful, why have they resulted in a massive deline in the standard of living over the last decade? What political benefit are you anticipating here? That non-rich teabagging birther whackjobs are even going to notice that they got tax cuts? That public employees will come to appreciate your denigration of their work as something that everyone else needs to be "relieved" from?
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