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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:32 AM
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Paul Krugman: Who’s Serious Now?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/opinion/15krugman.html?_r=1

Who’s Serious Now?
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: April 14, 2011


Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, sounds upset. And you can see why: President Obama, to the great relief of progressives, has called his bluff.

Last week, Mr. Ryan unveiled his budget proposal, and the initial reaction of much of the punditocracy was best summed up (sarcastically) by the blogger John Cole: “The plan is bold! It is serious! It took courage! It re-frames the debate! The ball is in Obama’s court! Very wonky! It is a game-changer! Did I mention it is serious?”

Then people who actually understand budget numbers went to work, and it became clear that the proposal wasn’t serious at all. In fact, it was a sick joke. The only real things in it were savage cuts in aid to the needy and the uninsured, huge tax cuts for corporations and the rich, and Medicare privatization. All the alleged cost savings were pure fantasy.

On Wednesday, as I said, the president called Mr. Ryan’s bluff: after offering a spirited (and reassuring) defense of social insurance, he declared, “There’s nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. And I don’t think there’s anything courageous about asking for sacrifice from those who can least afford it and don’t have any clout on Capitol Hill.” Actually, the Ryan plan calls for $2.9 trillion in tax cuts, but who’s counting?

And then Mr. Obama laid out a budget plan that really is serious.


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What happened over the past two weeks, then, was more about staking out positions than about enacting policies. On one side you had a combination of mean-spiritedness and fantasy; on the other you had a reaffirmation of American compassion and community, coupled with fairly realistic numbers. Which would you choose? 
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Dkc05 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:39 AM
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1. Ryan the stooge......
Ha ha
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charmay Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:48 AM
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2. I'm ashamed
of living in the same state as him. At least he not in my district.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:13 AM
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4. Don't be ashamed. Use him as the poster boy and shame the Republicans.
If that is possible. At least shame those that voted for him.


Government is not the problem.
Republicans are the problem.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:12 AM
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3. He needs to be stomped over and over.
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animato Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 12:02 AM
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18. I secretly love this
though I am a pacifist!
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:20 AM
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5. And the "compromise" will be Simpson-Bowles
Fabulous.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:41 AM
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6. All your predictions have not panned out, Manny; I'll wait and see. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:51 AM
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7. My track record's not bad.
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 07:53 AM by MannyGoldstein
Once he named Rahm Emanual, Larry Summers, and so forth, it was clear that Obama would turn hard right.

Health care "reform" didd not include a public option.

Obama "caved" on the tax cuts.

And Obama is still calling for Social Security benefit cuts.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:55 AM
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11. No, it's horrible
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 08:55 AM by ProSense
Bowles-Simpson wasn't approved

Congress didn't pass it

The President didn't sign it

And the President didn't call for cuts to Social Security in his SOTU.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:19 AM
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12. Wrong, true so far, true so far, wrong.
Thanks for playing.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:04 PM
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14. Shoot. If you bet money on your many predictions you'd not only
be flat broke, but your deficit would be larger than the country's.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 05:06 PM
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15. Perhaps you can point to one example
Or apologize.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:09 AM
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8. And now the true believer Pubs hate Ryan for weaseling out of voting against the unions
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 08:10 AM by BeyondGeography
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:40 AM
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9. It seems that somebody has been educating the President. He's
beginning to sound like a person that knows some things about Governing. nt
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:50 AM
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10. Just saw this on the NYT site and hoped someone had posted it.
Thanks!
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Johnny2X2X Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:00 AM
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13. Wow
I was surprised that the Republicans will actually vote on the Ryan budget. Seriously? They want to go on record as wanting to dismantle Medicare? They want to go on record as wanting to give $2.7 Trillion to the rich on the backs of Seniors and the Poor? I didn't think it was a serious budget, but they want to vote on it. Wow, a bigger gift to Obama could not be given for next years election campaign.

My only question is do they really want to be on record like this? It seems to good to be true if you're a Democrat, maybe it's a trap.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:14 PM
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16. GET PELOSI back into the Speaker Chair....she is First String...Boner is rookie
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animato Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 12:01 AM
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17. This has been a great week in Democratic politics! n/t
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