"...Nobody wants to face him"

[kpete]

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Funny how that works!

Recommended.

:rofl:

[jenmito]

2. K&R! n/t

[KoKo]

3. Well...there's something profound in this to think about...for sure. n/t

[cilla4progress]

4. That's pretty much the way it's looking,

I'd say!

[Keith Bee]

5. K&R

[slay]

6. It's not that they don't want to

or that we don't need someone to challenge Obama - we do but from the left - but that is another story.

The Republicans can't because all their high profile people are batshit crazy in one way or another. By being so pro-corporate and so anti-medicare as well as anti-facts and running on a platform of fear, hate, and lies, the republicans have painted themselves into a corner where we will have no choice but to accept Obama as president for another 4 years. We really need someone much, MUCH more to the left right now, and MUCH less pro-corporate, but.. oh well.. could be worse I guess. :shrug:

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. Did you forget "IMHO"? You act as if you speak for all of us. What's up with that?

:shrug:

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[Tarheel_Dem]

18. Sorry, I never even saw your reply. I have a life, but please carry on.

:hi:

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[CakeGrrl]

10. So where is this much-needed candidate from the Left?

Are they abdicating their Progressive responsibilities or principles by not challenging this putative "weak", "corporatist" president? By letting him, as some believe, drive the country in the wrong direction?

This cartoon could represent the attitude of some corners of the Left, so what's the excuse for a lack of primary activity from that direction?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. +1

I've been wondering much the same thing. :shrug:

[rhett o rick]

14. Dont expect to find such in the Democratic Party. The Koch Bro's* have significant

influence in the Democratic Party. IMHO

*Koch Bro's = DLC = Corporatist Democratic Party

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. There's only one who would dare, and we've recently found out that..

he's just a hustler, trying to raise funds for his re-election campaign. I don't know why, because from all indications, his district is gonna go bye-bye before the next election. ;-)

[sabrina 1]

32. His problem is that he would not be pro-Goldman Sachs

and Wall St. He would not be pro-torture and pro-forever-war. He would demand accountability for war criminals and Wall St. crooks.

So he would not be receiving the huge donations necessary to run for the WH in today's world. His problem is he would be for the people and that's just not going to get anyone into the WH today.

And that is what is so wrong with this country.

If this were a real democracy where money didn't determine the outcome of elections, he would win in a landslide.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Heard it all before. If the universe would stop on it's axle, Dennis would

be president of the world. Blah...Blah...Blah...

How many times has he thrown his hat in the ring? And how many times do we have to say NO? :shrug:

[sabrina 1]

34. 'We'? Speak for yourself.

Many people who reluctantly voted for one or other of the Corporate candidates, did so only because of a fear of Bush or someone worse. But now we know that Corporate bought candidates regardless of party, will cater to their donors over the interests of the people. It was necessary to see that I suppose.

If Kucinich or someone with his integrity and honesty and commitment to the interests of the people rather than Corporations, runs this time, there are many, many people who will vote their consciences aware that to do otherwise, didn't solve much.

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. "We" (95%-98%) of us said Hell NO! How many more times must "we" say it?

And I don't see those numbers changing, especially since a lot of us think he's nuts. I'd love to see him jump in once again, and be completely ignored as usual. Let's face it, Dennis is our Michelle Bachmann. They both cater to the hyper-ideological factions of their respective bases, and that's just not a winning formula. Independents are scared to death of zealots. Sorry....

[sabrina 1]

36. 'Hell no' was NOT what we said, we said 'sorry, we can't take

a chance on Bush or McCain winning, even though we would prefer to vote for you'.

But that was THEN, and as one of the 95% I feel very, very differently now, as do most of the people I know who voted for the Corporate-owned candidates in the last two elections.

You are assuming the whole world thinks like you. You call anti-illegal wars, anti-corruption on Wall St., anti-torture, anti-no-accountability-for-war-criminals, 'hyper idealogical'?? So do those on the far right. They LIKE all those things.

Your posts prove my point. That this time, since the Democratic Party has now joined the Republican Party in its inslavement to Wall St and the MIC, which you just confirmed, many of us who were afraid to vote for those we knew would make better leaders, are no longer afraid to do so.

If a good Democrat like Kucinich, a real Democrat who stands for the Party Platform and not WITH Wall St., were to run again this time, things would be a lot different.

It's very freeing once you learn the facts and see things as they really are. Even the WH knows this which is why they are hoping to attract 'new voters'. They lost the Independent vote and many democrats so yes, they will have to spend a lot of that Wall St. money to try to find different voters.

[Tarheel_Dem]

37. And not everyone thinks like you & Dennis. That's for sure....

Kucinich: "I Did" See A UFO...

:crazy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/31/kucinich-i-did-see-a-ufo_n_70566.html

[sabrina 1]

38. What issues do you disagree with Kucinich on?

Is it his demands that the wars end? That torture be investigated and stopped in this country?

What exactly are the issues he fights for that you as a democrat, do not agree with?

And why are you using rightwing smears against a real Democrat on DU? Surely you know that democrats would never do that as most of them know the facts about that incident. I know I've seen it a lot on rightwing boards, they love this kind of childish nonsense, but this is a democratic board where democrats come to escape that kind of garbage. How about you state your disagreements with him on the issues?

Just talked to a few friends last night, a few of whom never heard of Kucinich and showed them some video of Kucinich on the issues. Their response was 'wow, why have I not heard of this guy before'? I'll have to work harder to let people know about him. I should not have assumed they did since the Corporate Media and their Corporate backed Candidates generally silence real Democrats when it comes to elections.

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. All I hear is blah...blah...blah....

So you're saying HuffPo is a rightwing board? They should be banned. This news was printed all over the place, and even in Shirley McClaine's book. So nice try, but no cigar. He's a nut, plain & simple, and no amount of dogging out Pres. Obama is going to change that. Your circle of friends is not enough to make Dennis electable. Sorry.....

[sabrina 1]

42. Oh, he's electable, as his several terms in office prove

What a dumb statement it is to claim that a many times over elected official is not electable!! :rofl:

Huffington Post is a 'bi-partisan' board, run by a 'former' Republican. I rarely go to that blog for real news. They are mostly for entertainment. Too bad you consider it a worthwhile news source.

Without corporate money controlling who gets elected, Kucinich would win in a landslide. His views reflect the views stated by the American people over and over again in polls focusing only on issues.

I am not impressed at all by the 'winners' now that we know how it all works.

Obama needs to start representing the democrats and independents who elected him if he wants another term. He should sit down and have a conversation with people like Bernie Sanders and Kucinich.

The next election will be very different from the last several elections. We have all grown up and are a lot wiser now and will not be voting out of fear, or under the illusion that just because someone has a 'D' after their name, that makes them a Democrat. Things are a LOT different now.

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. What's really lame is that you claim a Congressman who represents

a single district out of 435 is somehow electable on the national stage, especially one who looks like Dennis. I'm sorry, but the teevee machine would chew him up & spit him out. The focus wouldn't be on the issues he cares about, it would be about how non-telegenic he is. Remember Gore's "wooden" characterization? In most quarters that characterization didn't help him, even though he was clearly the better candidate.

Have you seen any statewide polls for Dennis? And why didn't Kooch try for Voinovich's open Senate seat? I think we both know the answer. But things aren't as different as you'd like to think. We saw these same spasms during the '08 primaries, and the president won a resounding victory, and is on par to do the same in '12. And if Dennis thinks he can really be nominated by this party, then he obviously took a ride on that spaceship he saw.

:hi:

[sabrina 1]

44. Kucinich will not challenge an incumbent Democrat. Your fantasy

that he might, shows how little you know about the man. But then most of what you have said shows how little you know.

It's not wonder so few Americans bother to vote at all anymore. What you call a 'resounding victory' translates to a relatively small % of the entire population no matter who wins. That is because so many people figured out that it doesn't really matter who you vote for, you get much the same policies.

What has changed is that so many more people have realized the same thing. And yes, whether you care to accept it or not, there has been a huge change in attitudes since just six years ago.

Obama most likely will win, but frankly many people don't care much one way or the other. The power the people have to focus on is Congress.

Nearly every person I know who worked so hard during the last presidential election, donated, knocked on doors etc, will be putting all that energy into Congressional candidates this time, nothing into the presidential race. Because the WH has been basically bought. There is no hope of getting a real progressive candidate into the WH until we get some things changed, like campaign finance laws. And to do that, we need a strong Progressive Congress.

So, you'll probably get your president, unless there is a strong challenge like Bernie Sanders eg, which I doubt will happen, but not because people are thrilled with him, more because the alternatives are so insane but also because many see the WH as the least important race this time. We are thinking WAY, WAY, beyond this next race.

Dennis Kucinich is way ahead of his time for this country. This is a very regressive society but when it evolves, it will be ready for people like him. Right now, it is ruled by money. And it is not complement to those who succeed in this system, that they succeed. They only succeed because they are willing to forgeit their principles, or because they never had any to begin with.

We need hundreds of Kuciniches in order to make this a better country, and starting with this next election, we will be focusing on getting started on that. The presidential election is the least important election this time, Congress is where the focus will be.

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. "Congress is where the focus will be"

:applause: It took you awhile, but you finally said something intelligent. :applause:

The rest is just more blah...blah...blah... :nopity:

"Dennis Kucinich is way ahead of his time for this country." I'll agree with that too. The world just ain't ready for Kooch. :rofl:

[sabrina 1]

51. I'm still waiting though, for YOU to say

something intelligent! :rofl:

'Leave my politicians alone' doesn't qualify :nopity:

The World IS ready for Kucinich. In Europe eg, he would be, is in fact, very popular and highly respected and would probably be considered a moderate. Seriously, you need to catch up with what is going on in this world. Outside the US I mean, which is probably now one of the most regressive countries in the civilized world.

Naturally someone as enlightened, intelligent, principled and courageous as Kucinich would not be funded by the criminals on Wall ST. That is to his credit, a further endorsement of the man, assuming you care at all about principles!

But, the US is a relatively new country and since things move fairly quickly in these times, it is possible that we could in our lifetimes, see some really principled people take over from the shallow, sold-out, unprincipled, Wall St. funded characters currently running this country into the ground.

Kucinich would at that point be fully appreciated for his principled stands during this dark period in our history. Kudos to him for never being afraid to tell the truth :applause:

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. Well, hopefully he can get elected "In Europe".....

:rofl: :spray: :rofl:

You just get weirder & weirder. Who cares what Europe thinks about some dude from Ohio that saw a UFO? :rofl:

Oh, btw, which polling firm is sampling Kooch's popularity in Europe? :shrug: And out of 435 folks in the House, how did Kooch make the list?
:rofl:

[sabrina 1]

53. Anyone in the US Congress who actually speaks the truth

gets attention in civilized countries.

If it's 'weird' to respect integrity, which I confess in today's America it probably is, then I am very proud to be among that demographic.

:applause: for me for retaining the same principles I had when Bush was president and not looking the other way just because our team is in power.

“During times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” Or a 'weird' act, according to you!


I will say it is very weird to be having this discussion on a democratic board about Kucinich. I've been having it, almost word for word complete with the UFO nonsense, on rightwing boards since Kucinich began exposing the Bush administration's crimes and when he was the darling of the left for being one of the few who did so. Rightwingers absolutely hate him, which of course, only enhances his status as you should know.

And you still have not explained which issues you disagree with him on. Ending Illegal Wars, accountability for war criminals, for Wall St. criminals, health care for all Americans, no Offshore Drilling! You have simply resorted to the tactics of the right, throw out some silly nonsense, like 'Obama was no born in the US' eg, and hope it sticks. Didn't we just slam the right and Donald Trump for using the very same tactics you are using against a DEMOCRAT??

So, again, on what issues is Kucinich wrong? :hi:

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. blah...blah...blah... All that, and not a single link to back up your claim?

Hmmmmmm.....:rofl:

[sabrina 1]

55. 'blah, blah, blah' is what babies say until they learn to think and

then express their thoughts in a more mature way, which in my experience as a teacher, is generally around the age of four or five for late developers.

You still have not answered the question I have repeatedly asked, so I'll ask it again:

On what issues do you disagree with one of Congress' best Democrats, Dennis Kucinich?

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. "On what issues do you disagree with one of Congress' best Democrats, Dennis Kucinich?"

We disagree about "olive pits". :hi:

[Tarheel_Dem]

57. blah, blah, blah. Link? (nt)

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. Here, let me help you!

This is what Ohio voters think of "one of Congress' best Democrats, Dennis Kucinich". WoW, even Michelle Bachmann's numbers are better than this, and not a good place to launch a national campaign, hence the reason he didn't try for the open Senate seat:

;)

Ohio voters not happy with Reps. Dennis Kucinich or John Boehner, poll finds

"Kucinich, who won 53 percent of the 2010 vote in his western Cuyahoga County district, has a 27 percent favorability rating statewide, and is viewed unfavorably by 40 percent of voters, the pollsters found. In 2012, Kucinich will likely face voters outside his home base because of redistricting."


http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2011/03/ohio_voters_not_happy_with_rep.html

Now can you dig up a link to that poll that says Dennis is super huge around the world? :shrug: You made a pretty definitive claim, and I really would like to take a look at that poll. What I still can't figure out is why anyone around the world would know who Kooch is, or indeed even care? And it's okay to say you were wrong, otherwise people will assume that you just make stuff up. :hi:

[lark]

21. The Lefties don't have the funding or names

and don't have the party behind them. The Dem Party is mostly corporatist, just not as bat shit crazy as Repugs.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

45. I've been thinking about that.

Best case scenario, IMO, is a primary challenge which forces Obama to limp to victory in the general. The historic impact might be to provide a cautionary tale for the next Dem POTUS, making him less likely to scorn liberal support, as Obama has done in his first term.

The short term benefit might be to embolden House Dems in 2013, so that Obama gets more heat from the left on his poor legislative compromises with the GOP. As a lame duck, I am not optimistic, about the power of House Dems. As a masterful Chicago politician, his attitude on legacy will drive his second term much more than liberal angst, just as his first term has been completely been driven by the psychic need to get re-elected.

In the long term, the only way the Democratic Party can help to avoid the world-wide calamities toward which we are racing is to elect a class traitor in the tradition of FDR. Al Gore and Jerry Brown come to mind, although I think neither will ever run.

Barring that, I think the best alternative would be to elect a liberal actor, who could connect with Americans the way Reagan did.

[Vincardog]

16. +++++++We really need someone much, MUCH more to the left right now, and MUCH less pro-corporate

[Duval]

25. slay, GREAT POST!! n/t

[Butch350]

30. Please explain to me - like i'm a 6 year old...

and just what is this x person from the left suppose to do?
(even if they win)


And what do you think this person from the left will do for you?
(that they won't get a bullet in the brain pan for)?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

46. May I weigh in?

Here's my wish list for avoiding the cataclysmic catastrophes toward which we are accelerating:

1. A reality-based policy for international cooperation on climate change (i.e. everything Copenhagen is not).

2. A foreign policy wherein the US does not bomb brown people whenever the Pentagon wishes.

3. A progressive tax policy passed without any GOP votes (a la Clinton).

4. A sane education policy (i.e. something diametrically opposed to current policy).

Strategically, a POTUS who is willing to engage in clever class warfare (a la Lakoff).

Philosophically, a person who has enough wisdom to merge pragmatism with morality and is willing to fight the fascist/corporatist powers who call the shots ( a la FDR). Someone who has the perspective to know that politics is a filthy business and yet can accomplish big things for the people, despite the political cost, a la LBJ.

Obama was dealt an extremely bad hand and has played it poorly, IMO.

It's not at a six-year old comprehension level, I grant you. But I think it is pretty straight forward.

[burning rain]

11. Obama has another advantage over anyone in the GOP field.

He's a lot more charismatic. Media often don't mention charisma as a crucial factor, perhaps because it's so unflattering to many voters, but it's true. Many lack well-formed principles and are prepared to vote either hard right, hard left, or anywhere in between, simply based on charisma. And, these airheaded voters are strategically positioned in the center. Not once in the television age has a markedly less charismatic presidential candidate prevailed in a general election in which there was a serious charisma gap between the two major candidates. I'm sure 2012 will be no different, and that will benefit the president.

[rhett o rick]

13. I think Pres Obama made a brilliant strategic maneuver.

He knows that if he can win the hearts and votes of the right of center he will effectively squeeze out the hopes of moderate Republicans. Jeb Bush will have to wait until 2016.

Granted the Pres had to throw the left under the bus to prove to the right of center that he isnt a "lefty commie", but he still will get most of the lefts support. The important point is that he took votes away from the Repub moderates. Now all the Repukes have are wack-a-doodles.

Side issue: Karl Rove doesnt like Trump and Palin, I am wondering who he does like.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

26. Ahem.

He "had throw the left under the bus" in order to obtain the "important" goal of pulling Repub moderates into the fold.

And that's a good thing how? :freak:

[rhett o rick]

27. Did I say good? But since you asked, once he is a lame duck he will become

the progressive president we were expecting. Hey, I can dream cant I? It's about all I have left.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

29. No. you said "quote:"

"...brilliant strategic manuever."

If "We've fucked the Left in order to capture the Right, in order to satisfy the Left" is your last remaining dream...

...I'm snookered.

[rhett o rick]

31. I think you're getting it. Just watch, once reelected he will immediately fire

all his corporate toadies and become FDR. I am sure of it. Yes I am. I think I am sure.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

40. Supported by 99% of liberal Dems.

:patriot:

[Admiral Loinpresser]

47. Is that a real statistic?

If so, DU is wildly unrepresentative of American liberals.

If Obama is the best we can do, we are FUBAR.

[bigwillq]

15. That's cute.

K and R

[tclambert]

20. Hey! The Donald ain't scared of 'im.

Although, if Obama started carrying around a blow dryer, the man with the strange hair might take flight.

[rhett o rick]

28. I expect the hair piece to say one day, "What the hell is this ugly growth on my butt?" nm

[Fearless]

22. Its more why would you give up million dollar salaries to be president?

[BlueJac]

23. That is because of the fool factor!!!!!!!

[louslobbs]

24. That's what cowards do, throw out commentary and then run away with their tails between their legs

Lou

[Fire1]

41. Reminds me of some segments of our society who've been

throwing rocks and hiding their hands for decades.

[vaberella]

48. A good number of people on the left share those views.

Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between the fringe and the left when you catch the tail end of a convo that sounds like the cartoon.

[MaeScott]

49. K and R. nt