From FreeRepublic (not kidding) BEST in-depth case that 2nd BC is NOT fake

[sohndrsmith]

I've seen thus far - even if it is a bit childish in parts (but upon reading several related articles and comments on the issue over there - people actually believe that these things are legitimate arguments for "proving" yesterdays document is fake. (I know, I know...)

Mostly rational, thinking people (which includes the DU community) don't need this sort of checklist - but it's stunning how many people do... (I am not fully rational, so I had to say "mostly") : )

Went over there, just out of curiosity to see how they were handling this issue yesterday, and this is what I found. I would love to post the whole thing in full, but I think that violates several rules, so I'll post a few of the "Objections" listed and a link to the article. Including the intro.

I urge those who agrees with me that this is the best, most concise argument on the subject to share the link as much as you see fit - and *please* site your source (FreeRepublic). ; ). IF, that is, the clamor keeps up...

I wouldn't bother reading the comments (and much of it is squirrelly, including the last "Objection" in which it refers to DU) I think it's definitely worth reading in full. Especially given the source.

If nothing else, an amusing, interesting read (imv).

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Weak Arguments That Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate Is Fake

Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 by Jeff Winston

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1. "None of what you say matters. I'm still going to declare his birth certificate a fake."

When you abandon truth, you no longer have the truth on your side.

I've seen at least one person today post false statements in thread after thread, even after the statement was shown, irrefutably, to be false.

You can disagree, but I really do not believe that helps our side.

Once you're identified as a liar, there's no reason for anybody to believe anything else you have to say.

2. "This is nothing new. It's the same COLB that was released earlier!"

This is simply not true. The birth certificate released today contains the following additional information:

- name of hospital
- mother's address
- that it was a single birth
- age of father and mother
- birthplaces of father and mother
- occupation of father and mother
- signature of parent or other informant
- attending physician's signature and qualification
- registrar acceptance dates
- registrar signature
- etc.

3. This isn't a birth certificate! A Certificate of Live Birth isn't a birth certificate!

That's the official name for a birth certificate.
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14. "African" is not a race! In 1962, the term used would have been "Negro."

Freeper x notes: "State and local authorities... in many jurisdictions... go by what the mother or doctor or hospital told them."

"Though birth certificates are official documents there's more leeway than there is on the really official statistics that are sent to the federal government."

"That was especially true in Hawaii. The race on your birth certificate might be 'Japanese,' 'Chinese,' 'Korean,' 'Filipino,' or even 'Puerto Rican,' none of which are 'actual races.'"

"Given how things were at the time, the family probably didn't want to see 'Negro' anywhere on the birth certificate and the registrar was willing to comply with their wishes."

"I don't know if this thing is real or not, but if you really think the registrar was going to be a hard @ss on this and write in 'Negro' or 'colored' anyway, you probably don't know Hawaii."
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18. But Obama paid $2 million to avoid releasing his long-form birth certificate!

It is known that Obama's campaign has paid $2 million to lawyers since the election. What is not known is how much of this has gone to the eligibility lawsuits.

John McCain's campaign, which didn't raise as much money as Obama's has reportedly (unverified, someone can check) paid $1.3 million to lawyers since the campaign.

The following seems to be a fairly comprehensive list of the lawsuits filed. There have been many, but Obama appears as a plaintiff in only three.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2711660/posts?page=92

[Arkana]

1. So when did he get the zot? Sounds like an individual with too much sense

for RimJob's Looney Bin.

[sohndrsmith]

3. I thought so too... still trying to figure that one out.

Dare I say it, but it actually *would* be refreshing if there were more sensible R's around. What's at stake is to important to be undermined by the fully nonsensical lot (seemingly) at large, en masse.

What was sad is how few commenters stopped to think about what made sense and what didn't. They're stuck in their mud and they're not moving. Not one bit... There were a few who got it, but not enough to make their presence as a whole more credible. Sadly.

Sad day for them... Obama is the winner on this issue the longer it lives...

[reggie the dog]

2. he was listed as african

because his father was african, not an american born "negro".

[kaiden]

6. You are correct, Reggie.

There were Africans and then there were Negroes -- the descendants of American slaves, named by white people, of course.

[BlueIris]

4. Woah. A Freeper making sense? Maybe it really is the end of days.

Isn't the end of the world supposed to happen next month?

[Drunken Irishman]

5. He/she ain't gonna last over there.

[Keith Bee]

7. From the so-called "enlightened" article:

"There is one person and one person only who is responsible for the "birther" furor, and that is Barack Obama himself. HE and no one else has dragged the nation through this."

Un. Fucking. Rec.